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Uncle Joe

(58,364 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:28 PM Dec 2019

Joe Biden's Campaign Keeps Being Celebrated For Its 'Resilience,' But What About Bernie Sanders?



For several months now, there has been an endless discourse in our political coverage tied around the alleged resilience of Joe Biden’s campaign. However, that same courtesy has curiously not been extended to Bernie Sanders, who throughout the entire campaign, has not only maintained top tier status but has seen his numbers rise in more recent polling. I chuckled at the recent Fox News digital headline “Bernie Sanders snubbed on separate graphics by CNN, CBS News” given the source, nevertheless, it speaks to a concern professed by the Sanders campaign itself as early as November that their campaign is being snubbed.

While the extent of the #BernieBlackout will remain up for debate, I will say when a new California state poll shows Bernie Sanders leading the field, perhaps include him in the headline and not Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden as the Los Angeles Times‘ recently did in their original headline on the survey. Likewise, I’ve seen numerous stories dooming the Sanders campaign in recent months, but not so many about more recent successes. Say what you will about Bernie Sanders (I surely have in years past), but the man has done pretty well thus far – after a heart attack, no less – but the coverage hasn’t consistently reflected that.

Bernie remains a fundraising juggernaut, continues to attract sizable crowds at his events, recently secured the endorsements of three of some of the most visible progressive congresswomen in America, and again, is seeing a rise in several new polls. I don’t write this to sound like some sort of stan, but make no mistake, if Pete Buttigieg enjoyed such huge support from young and Latinx voters the way Sanders does, his media fan club would turn up the volume on their Vanilla Latte Obama projections about him. And if the cash-strapped Biden campaign were pulling in Bernie’s campaign donations, we would never hear the end of it.

(snip)

Donald Trump is a demagogue with an entertainer’s delivery and a cable channel at his disposable up against entities in media, tech, and politics that are still ill-equipped to tackle him and his tactics. It is my belief that Democrats have to nominate someone who can inspire rather than merely try to placate. Perhaps Joe Biden can become that candidate, but as it stands now, he’s not raising a lot of money, he’s taking shots at younger politicians such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and he continues to occasionally bewilder when engaging in public speaking (that’s actually his most resilient quality, to be fair).

(snip)

https://www.essence.com/op-ed/bernie-sanders-resillence/

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Joe Biden's Campaign Keeps Being Celebrated For Its 'Resilience,' But What About Bernie Sanders? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Dec 2019 OP
Bernie's high water mark was 2016. dubyadiprecession Dec 2019 #1
Oh so true!! Bernie is really not doing that well Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #31
When Bernie starts beating Biden in the polls consistently, then he'll be celebrated for resilience. Skya Rhen Dec 2019 #2
The pundits don't want Bernie FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #3
The pundits don't want Biden either. But he is still the front runner. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #6
Touch and totally true. emmaverybo Dec 2019 #26
I don't believe it's Bernie personally so much as the progressive policies that he champions Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #8
Yes, that's what I'm talking about. FiveGoodMen Dec 2019 #12
THIS!! BUT... Bernie knows what We The People want and he's gonna deliver, and then... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #14
Exactly and they know Bernie can't be bought. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #15
Damn right!! That's how you achieve justice in this country... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #18
+1 myohmy2 Dec 2019 #25
MFA is a huge loser in the GE redstateblues Dec 2019 #28
32 trillion... yes a really big loser Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #32
TRUE DAT!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #29
After he called Planned Parenthood 'part of the establishment' LanternWaste Dec 2019 #4
YeS iNdEeD... EvErYoNe Is ScArEd! NurseJackie Dec 2019 #10
Sanders completely cratered after 16. TidalWave46 Dec 2019 #5
Yes!! See post #31 Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #33
It's a fatal career move for TV pundits to praise Bernie ritapria Dec 2019 #7
Funny; it hasn't hurt Tucker Carlson LongtimeAZDem Dec 2019 #9
OK, I'll praise Bernie for his 'Resilience'. Sloumeau Dec 2019 #11
amazing how much attention he gets from media. masses of attention nt msongs Dec 2019 #13
Lame complaint. Scurrilous Dec 2019 #16
Wow, you sure got flamed. rwsanders Dec 2019 #17
Pretty clearly boomer_wv Dec 2019 #19
Biden's name has been in continuous news cycles because of Trump. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #20
Whaa! Whaa!!! OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #21
This! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #34
sanders lost 50% of his support from the last cycle Gothmog Dec 2019 #22
Against an approximate 1600-2200% increase in primary political opponents. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #23
Compared to 2016, Bernie Sanders is doing significantly worse based poll numbers. Gothmog Dec 2019 #24
BIIIIIINNGGOOOOO!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #30
Bernie has alienated a lot of voters. Happy Hoosier Dec 2019 #37
sanders has pissed off Obama and Clinton supporters Gothmog Dec 2019 #38
Bernie is tough. Sorry to see supporters crying so much for him about unfairness. He's doing emmaverybo Dec 2019 #27
Sanders / Gabbard 2020 NBachers Dec 2019 #35
Oh great... calimary Dec 2019 #36
If that is the ticket, trump will win more than 45 states Gothmog Dec 2019 #39
 

dubyadiprecession

(5,711 posts)
1. Bernie's high water mark was 2016.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:30 PM
Dec 2019

He’ll never be as popular again.

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Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
31. Oh so true!! Bernie is really not doing that well
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:12 AM
Dec 2019

Sanders got 40% of Democratic Primary vote in '16, he's running half that this time. Even if he got 100% of Warren's support, he'd still be behind his '16 vote total thehill.com

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Skya Rhen

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2. When Bernie starts beating Biden in the polls consistently, then he'll be celebrated for resilience.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:34 PM
Dec 2019
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FiveGoodMen

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3. The pundits don't want Bernie
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:34 PM
Dec 2019

So he doesn't get the praise.

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Demsrule86

(68,578 posts)
6. The pundits don't want Biden either. But he is still the front runner.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:45 PM
Dec 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
26. Touch and totally true.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 12:59 AM
Dec 2019
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Uncle Joe

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8. I don't believe it's Bernie personally so much as the progressive policies that he champions
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:59 PM
Dec 2019

ie: Medicare for All which threaten the corporate media's bottom lines, they have inherent financial conflicts of interest.

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FiveGoodMen

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12. Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:23 PM
Dec 2019

They don't want any progressive.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
14. THIS!! BUT... Bernie knows what We The People want and he's gonna deliver, and then...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:48 PM
Dec 2019

say hello to President Sanders!!







Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Uncle Joe

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15. Exactly and they know Bernie can't be bought.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 04:09 PM
Dec 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
18. Damn right!! That's how you achieve justice in this country...
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:02 PM
Dec 2019

that's why We The People will elect President Sanders!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Then say hello to the revolution!!!



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redstateblues

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28. MFA is a huge loser in the GE
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 01:07 AM
Dec 2019
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Thekaspervote

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32. 32 trillion... yes a really big loser
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:14 AM
Dec 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

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29. TRUE DAT!!
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 02:23 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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LanternWaste

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4. After he called Planned Parenthood 'part of the establishment'
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:38 PM
Dec 2019

As well as the Human Rights Campaign, any resilience he may allegedly have once held quickly became an irrelevant non-issue.




(maybe both organizations were just 'scared...', as that term certainly seems the trendy excuse-of-the-week, and I want in on some of the misplaced usage too!)

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NurseJackie

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10. YeS iNdEeD... EvErYoNe Is ScArEd!
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:11 PM
Dec 2019
as that term certainly seems the trendy excuse-of-the-week,
I know, right?

It's lame, that's for sure. I think it's being used as "cover" to hide the fear that the BS campaign has hit its high-water mark. The "scared" accusation is a projection... accusing others of what one is actually feeling.
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TidalWave46

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5. Sanders completely cratered after 16.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:43 PM
Dec 2019

It's blatantly clear that people see much better choices than Sanders this time around. It's becoming hilarious how people keep trying to cling to hope by making absurd comparisons and arguments.

It's only fitting that this is how he goes out. He is running a campaign that has equated increasing the number of insured to a terrorist attack, surrounded himself with people who gave Trump an assist in the last election, and rails against some of our strongest institutions. The guy is simply out of control. His heart attack explains a lot of the earlier confusion in his campaign. Not sure if that is still it or it's more about the people he has put in place around him.

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ritapria

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7. It's a fatal career move for TV pundits to praise Bernie
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 02:50 PM
Dec 2019

That is why they never praise Bernie ..In fact they rarely bring up his name …. It is not a conspiracy ...They know who is writing their Big Fat checks.... They know that a President Bernie would not be good for the bottom line of their employers- at least in the short term ……….

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LongtimeAZDem

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9. Funny; it hasn't hurt Tucker Carlson
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:04 PM
Dec 2019
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Sloumeau

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11. OK, I'll praise Bernie for his 'Resilience'.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:15 PM
Dec 2019

"Wow, Bernie, for a long time you were in 2nd place, then 3rd place, and now you are back in 2nd place! Great 'Resilience' Bernie!"

May his great resilience continue.
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msongs

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13. amazing how much attention he gets from media. masses of attention nt
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 03:30 PM
Dec 2019
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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
16. Lame complaint.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 04:23 PM
Dec 2019
'I Am Back': How Bernie Sanders' Revolution Is Proving Resilient

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/22/771865563/i-am-back-how-bernie-sanders-revolution-is-proving-resilient


Sanders looks more resilient than Warren

https://www.washingtonpost.com › opinions › 2019/11/04 › sanders-looks-more-resliient-than-warren


He's also been described as tough, irrepressible, strong etc., all of which mean the same thing.


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rwsanders

(2,603 posts)
17. Wow, you sure got flamed.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 05:37 PM
Dec 2019

I'm going to contribute by the end of the year.

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boomer_wv

(673 posts)
19. Pretty clearly
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:14 PM
Dec 2019

the difference is that Joe Biden has a wide lead on everyone else, essentially back to where it was in early summer.

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Uncle Joe

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20. Biden's name has been in continuous news cycles because of Trump.
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 07:38 PM
Dec 2019

Trump knows two things.

1. Blatantly asking Ukraine to investigate a political opponent's son would elevate said opponent as a counter reaction in the opposing party mostly beneficial to said opponent during the primaries but likely lead to an impeachment against himself.

2. The Senate under McConnell will never ever convict Trump of said impeachment even though the House would most certainly call for it.

Trump believes one other thing.

A failed impeachment conviction against him would also have the potential to create a counter reaction with his own partizens to Trump's favor providing cover to his failed policies and abject lies from when he campaigned in 2016.


I do wonder though, why wasn't there three articles of impeachment?



(snip)

The prohibition against officers receiving a present or emolument is essentially an antibribery rule to prevent influence by a foreign power.[17] At the Virginia Ratifying Convention, Edmund Randolph, a delegate to the Constitutional Convention, identified the Clause as a key "provision against the danger ... of the president receiving emoluments from foreign powers."[18]

The Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel has opined that

[t]he language of the Emoluments Clause is both sweeping and unqualified. See 49 Comp. Gen. 819, 821 (1970) (the "drafters [of the Clause] intended the prohibition to have the broadest possible scope and applicability&quot . It prohibits those holding offices of profit or trust under the United States from accepting "any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever" from "any . . . foreign State" unless Congress consents. U.S. Const, art. I, § 9, cl. 8 (emphasis added). . . . The decision whether to permit exceptions that qualify the Clause's absolute prohibition or that temper any harshness it may cause is textually committed to Congress, which may give consent to the acceptance of offices or emoluments otherwise barred by the Clause.

—?[19]
The word "emolument" has a broad meaning. At the time of the Founding, it meant "profit," "benefit," or "advantage" of any kind.[20] Because of the "sweeping and unqualified" nature of the constitutional prohibition, and in light of the more sophisticated understanding of conflicts of interest that developed after the Richard Nixon presidency, most modern presidents have chosen to eliminate any risk of conflict of interest that may arise by choosing to vest their assets into a blind trust.[17] As the Office of Legal Counsel has advised, the Constitution is violated when the holder of an "Office of Profit or Trust", like the President,[21] receives money from a partnership or similar entity in which he has a stake, and the amount he receives is "a function of the amount paid to the [entity] by the foreign government."[19] This is because such a setup would allow the entity to "in effect be a conduit for that government," and so the government official would be exposed to possible "undue influence and corruption by [the] foreign government."[19] The Department of Defense has expressly held that "this same rationale applies to distributions from limited liability corporations."[22]

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_of_Nobility_Clause




I believe the case against Trump would've been stronger.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
21. Whaa! Whaa!!!
Wed Dec 18, 2019, 08:02 PM
Dec 2019

Biden is mentioned and not Bernie. Whaaa. Do you think it might be due to the fact that Bernie won't do interviews unless he approves questions? Or maybe that his campaign has called for a boycott?

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Gothmog

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22. sanders lost 50% of his support from the last cycle
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 03:42 PM
Dec 2019

Joe has been running a good solid campaign this cycle


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Uncle Joe

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23. Against an approximate 1600-2200% increase in primary political opponents.
Thu Dec 19, 2019, 04:00 PM
Dec 2019

Apples and oranges, running against 16-22+ candidates isn't remotely close to running against 1.

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Gothmog

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24. Compared to 2016, Bernie Sanders is doing significantly worse based poll numbers.
Sat Dec 28, 2019, 10:47 PM
Dec 2019

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
30. BIIIIIINNGGOOOOO!!!
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 02:26 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Jump on the Bernie Bandwagon & join the revolution!!
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Happy Hoosier

(7,308 posts)
37. Bernie has alienated a lot of voters.
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 11:08 AM
Dec 2019

People like me, for example. I’ve been a long-time supporter of the Democratic party. When Bernie says “establishment” Democrats are the problem, he’s attacking me. And frankly, he thumbs his nose at the party whenever he gets the chance. How in the world will he be able to lead a diverse party as nominee or President? He sure hasn’t demonstrated that kind of leadership so far.

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Gothmog

(145,288 posts)
38. sanders has pissed off Obama and Clinton supporters
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:41 PM
Dec 2019

I am proud member of the Democratic Party and I am not happy with sanders.

I will support the nominee of the party but I seriously doubt that sanders will be the nominee of the party

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
27. Bernie is tough. Sorry to see supporters crying so much for him about unfairness. He's doing
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 01:06 AM
Dec 2019

fine and if the voters want him, he will do even better.

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NBachers

(17,110 posts)
35. Sanders / Gabbard 2020
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:31 AM
Dec 2019
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Gothmog

(145,288 posts)
39. If that is the ticket, trump will win more than 45 states
Sun Dec 29, 2019, 04:42 PM
Dec 2019
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