This is not a good look for the hard left of our party.

[Peacetrain]

Its going to be a tough week, but the hard left is not where the heart of the party is. Bernie has never had a chance this go round. That does not mean he doesn't have hard core supporters who really like him. No one is saying that. But people on our side of the aisle are not ready for another my way or the highway election.

Elizabeth Warren should have walked with Iowa, with VP Biden taking second. That is what it looked like a few weeks ago. But her plans on how to pay for M4A just did not add up. Because as we all know, you take what ever the numbers that are handed out, and add 30 to 50% to any program proposed. The only reason Sanders has not been kneecapped on it, is because he has not put any numbers up. His attitude is screw it, this is what we are doing. Great for rallies, but once people get home and start talking among themselves it just does not work out.

Add to that the Corbyn comparisons, and those are actually harder on Sen Warren in the long run than they are on Sen Sanders. Corbyn had just was one too many plans.. great fun discussions on twitter, people in the midlands not sure what the hell he was talking about.

I am not even touching the Cenk mess. Good Lord.

This is Bidens, Buttigegs, Klobachars, and yes even Bloombergs (he has the money to buy the election) to lose.

We are 7 weeks a couple of days from caucus and three weeks and 6 days after that will be Super Tuesday, and we are going to know who our candidate is.

[LakeArenal]

1. I wouldn't count anyone in or out.

But Joe Biden is going to be the nextPresident. His base has been underestimated from the beginning.

[emmaverybo]

51. And he has been. As a communicator, as a respected and so well-liked politician--his stature in our

party has been vastly underestimated. And his political instincts. But not by every one. Not by all those who have endorsed. Not by all the electorate. Thanks for his base and may their and his momentum continue.

[StevieM]

2. We don't know for certain that we will know who are candidate is early on.

It is possible that none of the big 4 break away from the pack.

This could go all the way to the convention. Only time will tell.

[oldsoftie]

3. No matter how much money Bloomberg has, it wont buy him popularity.

I think his constant ads can work against him. People tire of being bombarded and it can turn some against you. Kind of like the Patriots always winning the Super Bowl; most of the country wants them to LOSE now

[Bradshaw3]

4. So use name-calling when you don't have facts

Typical. There is not a "hard left" as you ridiculously try to demean those who have other points of view. Of course when you can't make rational posts using facts then that is what so many on here do. Sad to see them using repub tactics.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

26. Sad indeed... comments like these only add to the number of Bernie & Elizabeth devotees!!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
And they can't be bought!!
So say hello to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

33. Is that what you came away with in this discussion?

[Amimnoch]

35. I actually do agree with you, but fake "Centrist" keeps getting thrown around

Very freely around here with equally insulting connotations when it is a completely false narrative on any of our candidates.

So while 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right, turn about is fair play.

[Sherman A1]

5. Horsefeathers

There is nothing for certain at this time and likely will not be until Super Tuesday or the Convention.

[tenderfoot]

6. Yes, we need to revert to Reaganism - FDR is just too far to the left

[Skya Rhen]

7. The start of the elections can't come fast enough for me. Please hurry so that we can make it

official. Joe’s got this!

[Thekaspervote]

8. Yes yes yes yes yes yes!!!

[Peacetrain]

9. Yep, that is so true..today makes that even more important

Joe is the man who can defeat this sham of a President

[TCJ70]

10. Oh no! Peacetrain says part of the Democratic electorate doesn't look good! *faints*

Good god...this OP is something else. Let me get this straight: The guy in second place consistently in polling has never had a chance but "This is Bidens, Buttigegs, Klobachars, and yes even Bloombergs (he has the money to buy the election) to lose."? Wow...OK.

Thanks for telling everyone what's not possible, though. That's a great and inspiring message.

[Act_of_Reparation]

11. OH NOES TEH HARD LEFT

[crazytown]

14. Get me a milkshake,

on the rocks, no ice.

[totodeinhere]

44. :-) n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Seriously... so much for the "big tent" I guess.

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
Time for all to join the revolution!!

[aikoaiko]

12. Maybe, but Sanders + Warren is greater than Biden

The middling middle candidates better find a way to engage those supporters with something more than "vote for us or fuck off".

[TexasTowelie]

34. No, not in this poll released today.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287385864

Link to tweet

[Cha]

39. Ha! Gracias, TexasT!

[aikoaiko]

46. I'm surprised that you would stoop to a single poll

The RCP averages make it pretty clear where we are at.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

[TexasTowelie]

47. Read a bit further in the thread.

I cited a second poll.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Seriously!! I've said for YEARS now that Bernie & Elizabeth will combine forces

and, together, they are UNSTOPPABLE!! People who dismiss them do so at their own risk.


Bernie & Elizabeth or Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
So, say hello to the revolution for which they've fought!!

[TexasTowelie]

40. At risk of what?

Being correct!

[CentralMass]

55. +1

[TexasTowelie]

42. And another poll:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287385908

37% > 28%

[TidalWave46]

45. This really makes no sense. NT

[emmaverybo]

52. They aren't together. And new polls suggest that even then, Biden is ahead.

[crazytown]

13. "The hard left of our party"

Bernie Sanders is not the 'hard left' of the Democratic Party. He is not a Democrat, and nor are his leadership team. AOC is DSA, not a Social Democrat. Enough said.

Elizabeth Warren's issue is not M4A, but the corruption of politics by money, something Biden, Buttigiegs and Klobachar barely mention.

Biden, Buttigieg, Klobachar, and certainly Bloomberg, would restore the much storied 'soul of America', underwritten by big, big money. If you are happy with that, I'm not. Carter was a centrist Dem but he was not shooting up greenbacks.

[Act_of_Reparation]

15. It's pretty incredible people are deploying GOP scare words against our own party.

I guess that talk about the Overton Window shifting to the right is pretty dead-on.

[crazytown]

17. Whatever it takes to keep K Street happy.

The music changes but the dance steps don't.

[Cha]

24. It's called Reality.

[NurseJackie]

21. You make a valid point in clarifying that important distinction. Thank you!

He is not a Democrat, and nor are his leadership team.

You make a valid point in clarifying that important distinction. Thank you!

[redqueen]

16. There are no hard left Dems. nt

[jalan48]

18. Hard Left? What about our Soft Center?

[Cha]

25. There's no "soft" about the Moderates whose

Democratic House Victory is the Reason we are Impeaching the fucking Treasonous Asshole today.

The Majority of Strong Moderate Democrats are Doing the Work in the House right now

[jalan48]

28. Soft and Hard on this one together!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. We The People demand a bold progressive agenda...a mild moderate agenda just won't cut it in 2020!!

That's why Bernie and Elizabeth will finally restore economic and racial justice in this country when they clobber Dolt45... we've waited long enough!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
And they can't be bought!!
Say hello to the revolution!!

[jalan48]

37. Hear! Hear!

[LakeArenal]

57. Lately our center is chewy..

Chewing on the nuts in the box.

[crazytown]

19. Tomorrow never comes.

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[NurseJackie]

20. His followers are loyal and enthusiastic. There just aren't enough of them.

[Recursion]

22. If only there were a dark horse, a James K. Polk

Somebody without an extensive Washington history, but with workable, data-tested progressive ideas as well as a core of extremely committed supporters who write his campaign ads for him.

If only there were such a candidate.

[TexasTowelie]

43. The candidate is there,

but he is not generating the level of support necessary to receive delegates in the primaries based upon the polls. Even though he is gaining support he is running out of time. Less than seven weeks left and plenty of holidays in between when people won't want to hear about politics. Add in the college and pro football games along with the likelihood of winter storms and the number of days for campaigning drops to about 40. I won't say it is impossible for Yang to surge, but it is unlikely.

James Polk did have a history of legislative accomplishments that bolstered his candidacy which is the important "something" that Yang lacks.

[Recursion]

48. Both fair points

Back in 2016 I kept the candle burning for O'Malley long after the writing was on the wall, too. Call me an idealist...

[TexasTowelie]

49. I have no issue with people dreaming and being an idealist

as long as it is tempered with some reality along the way. For example has shown some decent numbers in Iowa and New Hampshire along with some double-digit poll numbers on a national basis and strong campaign organization so I can still see a pathway for him. There may be a pathway for Yang, but it isn't readily apparent.

So you supported O'Malley in the 2016 primary? There's a huge difference between O'Malley's platform and Yang's platform. I guess that you really do like cheering on the underdogs.

[Cha]

23. I don't know what Cenk is labeled as but I know BS endorsed

him...

BS CA branch. And the Only Reason he retracted was cenk asked him to.

The National BS Campaign was Urged to Stay Out of Race..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=381802

Link to tweet

Thank you for you OP, Peacetrain!

[blm]

27. Warren's M4All numbers are good. Perhaps you didn't see that analysis.

I won’t applaud the campaigns who chose to attack her with lies for 3months straight.

https://www.telegram.com/news/20191207/umass-ceo-eric-dickson-backs-medicare-for-all-calls-plan-bold-courageous?

UMass CEO Eric Dickson backs Medicare for All, calls plan ‘bold, courageous’

<<<<<
And one of the major stumbling blocks of the Warren plan, its cost — some experts have said the $20.5 trillion cost is too low, calculating costs as up to $34 trillion — is something that Dickson said is essentially a wash for him and other large employers.

“We spend $140 million a year on our employees’ health insurance,” Dickson said. “If the government were to tax me $140 million a year and give all of our employees insurance, I’m neutral ... With no new costs, we could pay that to the government and then we could move to a single-payer system.”

[BlueMTexpat]

30. Thanks, blm.

Some just can't see beyond their biases.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Though I prefer Bernie's plan to implement M4A over Elizabeth's, the attacks on her

based on gross distortions of her plans are outrageous!! Elizabeth could be the most competent candidate that's ever run for President and I wish her all the luck in the world in this campaign.


Bernie & Elizabeth or Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together & can't be bought!!
So, say hello to the revolution for which they've fought!!

[BlueMTexpat]

29. Wow, Peacetrain!

Elizabeth Warren is NOT "hard" left by any measure.

And as for the UK elections, they were FIRST AND FOREMOST about Brexit. Corbyn has been "meh" about Brexit from the get-go and Labour has been fractured for other reasons as well. AND the UK is a multi-party system, with Lib Dems, the SNP and others helping to split the vote.

I thought better of you.

[blm]

31. Warren is also NOT unlikable and NOT an antiSemite.

[BlueMTexpat]

32. There are so many other

positive things that can be said about her as well!

[Demsrule86]

50. You are right Peace...we will know and I think there will be no doubt...then we move to the

general and beat Trump like a drum. K&R

[emmaverybo]

53. I can't wait.

[democratisphere]

54. It is a moderate world to the left and right of center.

Extreme views to the left and right will not win elections. Joe Biden is the most electable Democratic candidate.

[LakeArenal]

58. It's all opinion at this point. Even-the polls.

Even tho our opinion is the right one❣️
😄😁🇺🇸

Peace, PeaceT