Sanders or Warren? Fortunately for those who insist that

[MineralMan]

Democratic Primary candidates not endorse people with sexist, biased, or other noxious views, there are plenty of candidates for the Democratic presidential nomination from which to choose. Unlike in other primary seasons, Democrats have a wealth of candidate presenting themselves.

If one candidate makes a habit of endorsing or hiring people who are biased against one or multiple groups, Democrats can choose another candidate who does not do such things. If a candidate who is otherwise progressive errs in that way, there is another progressive candidate who will not make such mistakes, but who still is progressive enough for anyone to support.

This is not a two-person primary race. Primary voters do not have to choose between Candidate A and Candidate B. Many other letters of the alphabet are available.

We do not have to accept noxious, biased viewpoints in the 2020 primary race. Nope. We don't.

ETA: I changed the thread title for clarity.

[NurseJackie]

1. How a candidate runs their campaign is a strong indicator of how he or she would govern.

I have to be honest with you, this type of thing does not reflect very well on the campaign that does not do even care to bother to do the most basic Google-search for vetting purposes.

Whenever it's just one mistake after another after another (after yet another) this is a sign that there's a real problem. That's no way to run a successful campaign, no way to and it's certainly no way to run our country.

How a candidate runs their campaign is a strong indicator of how he or she would govern... and our party's nominee needs to be better than this. Our nation needs someone who will run a tight ship and will have a competent staff, advisors and cabinet. That's the type of person I'm looking to support.

[still_one]

2. Well said

[MineralMan]

4. I agree completely. I think people should think very carefully about

whom they support in this primary race. Very carefully, indeed. It's clear who I'm supporting. I have no issues that lead me to change my mind. Others, however, should look closely at their favorite candidate and what is happening.

[Thekaspervote]

6. Agree! What if sanders were to win...and then announce he's an independent??

Not good

[NurseJackie]

8. You're right. It would not be good. But I don't think that's likely to happen.

[JonLP24]

3. This board defends Al Franken

who actually touched people inappropriately. He withdrew his endorsement and Bernie's movement is more important than Cenk Uyger.

This board also scapegoated Krysten Gillibrand over Al Franken's decisions even though it was Schumer that asked Franken privately to resign because Franken gave them no choice. A lot of people are supporting Biden because he wasn't in the Senate so he didn't have to take a stand one way or the other.

[MineralMan]

5. Whatever you say. You will support whom you support.

Do, however, think about it. You may be backing the wrong horse in this race. I suggest you take a look at Elizabeth Warren. She has no such issues.

I'm not talking about Al Franken at all. Maybe you missed what I am talking about.

[JonLP24]

7. You are talking about Cenk Uyger who I couldn't care less about because I don't live in his district

Over something he said which he apologized for meanwhile there is a different standard when it comes to Franken or even Biden himself with the touching.

[billpolonsky]

9. Thanks for stating that

Certain candidates can do no wrong.

[ehrnst]

21. Yes, I've noticed that, as well.

But we're probably thinking of different candidates being given a pass that other candidates are not.

[Hortensis]

10. That Biden touched "inappropriately" is a Republican

talking point and a malicious lie. All you who push this RW smear do Sanders' image no good by displaying his face below your messages.

On the plus side, you didn't call him (Biden, not Sanders) "creepy." Could be worse.

[OldRed2450]

15. Bernie and Cenk

attack democrats all the time, talking about corporate democrats as if they are accepting bribes. I want to see the evidence of all this corruption in the democratic party they talk about. There is none. They say these things without evidence. It's damaging.

[Hortensis]

41. +1000. There's no corruption, so of course no evidence.

Neither GOP or Russia EVER came up with the evidence of the corruption they always claim, and nor have their fellow travelers among the anti-Democratic/anti-liberal left.

Truth is irrelevant to those whose favorite and most powerful weapons are deceit and slander. Except when IT can be weaponized, of course.

Notably, every one of Sanders slanderous, unjustified lawsuits against the Democratic Party was dropped before he had to provide evidence, or were tossed out by the courts. Add in all those against the state Democratic Parties to support his claims that they stole primaries from him, and they may run to dozens.

But not before he got the press coverage they were filed to create. And those chronic behaviors completely meet my own definition of corrupt behavior. Even without Russian or Republican involvement.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Apparently there is also a different standard for speaking in praise of a Michigan Republican...

.... during the last congressional election and refusing to endorse the Democratic opponent.

If Bernie did that, the same crowd would be writhing in outrage rolling around on the floor.

[George II]

14. Biden praised that republican for his work on cancer research. Last I saw cancer was non-partisan.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. How bout proposin to reach across the aisle; how can you possibly work wit deplorable GOP traitors?

Those RethugliKKKon assholes need to be clobbered!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

20. Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump - 11/19/2016

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.

Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle

In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.

Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

“I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”

[TexasTowelie]

24. Didn't Bernie work with House Committee on Veterans' Affairs chairman Rep. Jeff Miller, R-Fla.

to negotiate the 2014 law which is Bernie's biggest legislative achievement besides renaming post offices?

[ehrnst]

35. Still waiting for you to explain how your silence re: Bernie "proposin to reach across the aisle"

Last edited Sun Dec 15, 2019, 11:16 AM - Edit history (2)

when you call that very behavior "working wit deplorable GOP traitors" in others isn't a shining example of having "one standard for Bernie & a different standard" for any other candidate on your part.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287381332#post20

Cat got your tongue?

I'll wait.

[ehrnst]

42. Goodness, you mean like befriending and publicly praising this "RethugliKKKon asshole?"

Bernie Sanders thinks climate change poses an existential threat to the planet, yet the Republican he likes the most in the Senate is Oklahoma’s James Inhofe, a proud climate-change denier. Inhofe brought a snowball to the Senate floor in February of 2015, his way of supposedly disproving that the previous year was the hottest on record.

Snip...

“Jim is a climate-change denier. He is really, really conservative, but you know what, he is a decent guy and I like him, and he and I are friends,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-bernie-sanders-loves-the-most-conservative-man-in-the-senat

Maybe you should contact Bernie about how "RethugliKKKon assholes need to be clobbered" not befriended and complimented.

Let us know what he says.

[ehrnst]

19. Cancer is republican or democrat?

[ehrnst]

22. I don't recall that happening in these instances:

Sanders: I'm 'prepared to work with' Trump

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said Wednesday he is willing to collaborate with President-elect Donald Trump going forward but warned he would "strongly oppose" the Republican should he continue to pursue his most extreme policy proposals.

Acknowledging Trump's success in taping into economic resentment in his astounding electoral win Wednesday morning, Sanders cast Trump's candidacy in a light similar to his own failed presidential run during the Democratic primaries.

“Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media," the senator said in a statement released Wednesday.

Trump And Sanders Try To Show New Hampshire They Can Reach Across The Aisle

In a presidential election season that’s seen plenty of partisan fights, Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Bernie Sanders were among the candidates in Manchester, New Hampshire, Monday who were promising to reach across the political aisle if elected.

As WBUR's Fred Bever reported both men were out to demonstrate that they are practitioners of the art of compromise.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/9/14/sanders-reaches-across-aisle-at-liberty-university.html



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-2020.html

While often viewed as a pesky left-wing gadfly, he is also known to reach across the aisle, working on legislation with Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa and Senator John McCain of Arizona, both Republicans. He has rationalized voting for the 1994 crime bill, now heavily criticized for some of its draconian provisions, by saying he had favored progressive parts of the bill, including the Violence Against Women Act, while strongly opposing measures that would lead to mass incarceration.

Bernie Sanders’ Republican Buddy Reaches Across the Aisle To Endorse Clinton

Sanders’ longtime friend Tony Pomerleau, a prominent Republican businessman and developer in Sanders’ hometown of Burlington, Vermont, offered his support for Clinton this week, framing his endorsement in a historical context.

Said Pomerleau:

“I am a loyal Republican born in 1917 and the first time a woman could vote was in 1919,” the letter reads. “I will be most happy to cast my vote to the first woman president of the United States of America. I am a loyal friend of Bernie Sanders and in Vermont they call us the ‘Odd Couple.’”

[TexasTowelie]

25. I thought of another one.

See post #24.

[ehrnst]

40. Any comment concerning the examples of working with the GOP on Bernie's part?

If Joe had done any of these things, that "the same crowd would be writhing in outrage rolling around on the floor" and look right here in this thread..

[George II]

12. He has never apologized for nor retracted his statement about him legalizing bestiality.

[OldRed2450]

13. It's bigger than Cenk.

It gives a window into who he would appoint to cabinet positions, or to head important agencies. This is not a one off... Bernie has a pattern of endorsing or hiring people with bigoted sexist pasts. You have to ask, is loyalty to him the only thing that matters? What about qualifications and integrity?

Regarding the Biden touching: Biden is from pre internet days when people talked, hugged and touched each other face to face. It's not sexual! Are you implying it is sexual? People have moved away from closeness in these days of internet. It's a shame.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Are you seriously suggesting that there's one standard for Bernie & a different standard for Biden?

Nooooo wayyyyyy!!


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

36. You mean like attacking any Democratic candiate other than Bernie who "reached accross the aisle"

as "working wit deplorable GOP traitors?"

Then going silent when Senator Sanders own history of, as you put it, "working wit deplorable GOP traitors" over his career is shown to be substantial?

Is that the kind of "different standard for Bernie than any other candidate" you were lamenting?

[ehrnst]

18. He apologized and is thus forgiven for all the hate speech?

If you want to talk about different standards.... the standard of complete exoneration for any past mistakes (even hate speech or being a republican) once someone says, "I'm sorry, or I regret it that, or I've learned from that" clearly doesn't apply to anyone that runs against Bernie.

[Cha]

23. ol lewd serial misogynist cenk, whom BS endorsed before Backlash, doesn't

even live in CA District 25.. and I want Christy Smith to Win that District.. whom Nancy Pelosi Endorsed.

Link to tweet

Pelosi endorses Christy Smith in race to replace Rep Katie Hill

“I am proud to endorse Christy Smith because she will work to fight corruption, lower the cost of prescription drugs, fully fund public schools and build a strong middle-class economy that works for all Americans,” Pelosi said in a statement shared first with CQ Roll Call.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/pelosi-endorses-christy-smith-race-replace-rep-katie-hill

[ehrnst]

26. Speaker Pelosi's primary interest is keeping Congress in Democratic hands.

Others seem to have different priorities.

[Cha]

27. Exactly, ehrnst.. Nancy Pelosi wants the best Reps

in our Democratic House! She doesn't have time for anymore ********.

[ehrnst]

28. "The words & conduct in Mr. Uygur & Mr. Koller's posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Dem"

“The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.


The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_n_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

[The Valley Below]

32. Meanwhile Justice Democrat leader Saikat Chakrabarti walks around with a t-shirt featuring a NAZI

collaborator, Subhas Chandra Bose.

Speaking of being unfit to lead.

Something very wrong with this dark money organization.

[ehrnst]

34. Techbro... "After college, Chakrabarti worked on Wall Street, followed by 8 years in Silicon Valley

at a number of startups."

Also... last July, he had the nerve to compare Democrats who were anywhere the right of JD with the KKK.

Saikat Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, referred to moderate Democratic groups in a tweet last month as “New Southern Democrats” who are “hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-defends-handling-of-squad-as-democrats-fume-about-ocasio-cortezs-top-aide/2019/07/11/985c52a6-a3e7-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

Of course he deleted those tweets once he found out that the vast majority of Democrats, including those on the left found that remark over the edge. But not before he showed his hand.

Rep. William Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, rebuked Chakrabarti — a former leader of the Justice Democrats, a left-wing activist group that has supported primary challenges to Clay and other veteran minority Democrats: “It shows you how ignorant and little history he knows, how ignorant he is to American history. How dare he.”

Entitled techbro mentality. I know everything, and anyone who disagrees with me is stupid, unintelligent corrupt and lower than dirt. (By techbro, I am referring to a particular mentality - not all men who are in technology)

[The Valley Below]

31. You don't live in his district, and neither does Cenk.

I––on the other hand--live in close proximity to the 25th and want nothing to do with this guy.

The issues with Cenk Uyger go way beyond what you suggest, and trying to slur Joe Biden after Bernie Sanders big fail doesn't sit well.

[MineralMan]

38. Hmm...so if someone running doesn't live in YOUR district,

it doesn't matter what they think, say or do? Really? This is not about Cenk Uygur. It is about a presidential candidate who endorsed that person, and then withdrew the endorsement after mass objections.

You don't vote for Uygur, but you do vote for President. Everything is interrelated.

[ehrnst]

39. Justice Democrats, which he co-founded, kicked him out as "unfit to lead" a progressive org

The Justice Democrats ousted Cenk Uygur, one of its founding board members and a creator of progressive online network The Young Turks, following the Thursday revelation that Uygur had authored sexist blogposts in the early 2000s.

Can you show where Franken or Biden made a career out of hate speech, part of which was as a Republican? That's where you've landed?

I doubt that I'll get a response, because it's probably embarassing to hear about this, but why do you think that Justice Democrats don't dismiss his history of hate speech as simply "something he said which he apologized for."

And why do you think that Bernie thought so until he realized that endorsing this person he had been warned about was harming his campaign and alienating his supporters?

The left-leaning political organization, which Uygur and others established this year to support progressive primary challenges against Democratic incumbents in Congress, made the announcement Friday. The group also severed ties with David Koller, who co-founded The Young Turks with Uygur and served as Justice Democrats’ treasurer. A 2004 blogpost in which Koller used degrading language about women he and Uygur met on a road-trip surfaced this week as well.

“The words and conduct in Mr. Uygur and Mr. Koller’s posts degrade what it means to be a Justice Democrat,” Justice Democrats executive director Saikat Chakrabarti said in a Friday evening statement announcing the board’s decision to demand Uygur and Koller’s resignations. “We do not feel that Mr. Uygur is fit to lead or participate in an organization that truly believes women’s issues and the issues of black and brown people are all of our issues.”

The Justice Democrats board reached its decision to call for their departures after hearing Uygur’s “side of the story” and consulting with the political candidates the group has endorsed, Chakrabarti said.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/justice-democrats-ousts-cenk-uygur_n_5a3eb4d1e4b025f99e178181

[aikoaiko]

29. Or Biden.

[TomCADem]

30. I Don't Think They Are Interchangeable

I think if Elizabeth Warren did not have a path to the nomination, she would drop out and support efforts to beat Trump. However, Bernie has already laid the ground work for refusing to drop out and has alleged that the only reason why he did not win in 2016 was because the primaries were rigged. Now, its 2019, and Bernie's campaign has been already been complaining about how the media is biased against him in Trump-like fashion. The irony is that the evidence out there is that the system is being rigged against Biden given that Republicans have been trying to bribe foreign governments to give the DOJ a pretext for prosecuting Biden.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/in-echo-of-2016-bernie-sanders-refuses-to-commit-to-conceding-early-if-he-wont-be-the-nominee-2019-06-26

In echo of 2016, Bernie Sanders refuses to commit to conceding early if he won’t be the nominee

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday provided a flashback to the 2016 White House race, as the presidential hopeful declined to promise that he will concede ahead of the Democrats’ convention if it becomes apparent that he won’t be the party’s nominee.

When asked by about the potential for such a concession before the Democratic National Convention in July 2020, Sanders told MSNBC anchor Katy Tur: “I intend to be the Democratic nominee.”

Tur then noted that some analysts said Sanders contributed to Hillary Clinton’s loss to President Donald Trump in the 2106 general election, because he refused to drop out of the Democratic primary despite Clinton’s clinching the required number of delegates for the nomination.

Sanders responded: “Some people say that if maybe that system was not rigged against me, I would have won the nomination and defeated Donald Trump.”

[Eric J in MN]

33. Joe Biden has praised Dick Cheney, Mike Pence,

...and Henry Kissinger.

Biden gave George W. Bush a medal last year.

[Skya Rhen]

37. Why Bernie Sanders Loves the Most Conservative Man in the Senate (Glass houses...)

Bernie Sanders thinks climate change poses an existential threat to the planet, yet the Republican he likes the most in the Senate is Oklahoma’s James Inhofe, a proud climate-change denier. Inhofe brought a snowball to the Senate floor in February of 2015, his way of supposedly disproving that the previous year was the hottest on record.

Snip...

“Jim is a climate-change denier. He is really, really conservative, but you know what, he is a decent guy and I like him, and he and I are friends,” Sanders told CNN’s Jake Tapper.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-bernie-sanders-loves-the-most-conservative-man-in-the-senate