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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:31 AM Dec 2019

I am really sick of America not ever having had a female president.

Maybe I’ll die before we get one.

I also would not be surprised if the first female U.S. president will end up being a Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I am really sick of America not ever having had a female president. (Original Post) lostnfound Dec 2019 OP
If not for an arcane constitutional technicality, we would have one now. Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #1
That and if the youth would vote!! Thekaspervote Dec 2019 #19
I am old and female and I live to see a woman president! CTyankee Dec 2019 #2
"I also would not be surprised if the first female U.S. president will end up being a Republican." bearsfootball516 Dec 2019 #3
+1 Shrek Dec 2019 #7
I agree forthemiddle Dec 2019 #11
I think the Con will put her on the ticket as VP if she wants it. CrispyQ Dec 2019 #31
Perhaps voters will do the right thing janterry Dec 2019 #4
Well, you know, women are too emotional to be President ck4829 Dec 2019 #5
I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I know people who look at these republican men CrispyQ Dec 2019 #32
Sorry for your disappointment but VP LakeArenal Dec 2019 #6
This does not look good janterry Dec 2019 #8
Sure a woman president would be great...but I live to see a Democratic president in 2020. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #12
I look at it this way: The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #27
I keep in mind the Grandmothers in the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina delisen Dec 2019 #36
I voted for Obama over Hillary in the primaries of 2008 lostnfound Dec 2019 #9
Well your candidate doesn't look like she will be the nominee which is always painful...but you Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #14
Nothing wrong with people liking different candidates. Besides... lostnfound Dec 2019 #17
I agree...it broke my heart in 16...Hillary was the most qualified nominee...ever. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #23
December 2007 forthemiddle Dec 2019 #13
So, your point? That it doesn't look great for Joe? LakeArenal Dec 2019 #16
I'm just saying don't count your chickens. forthemiddle Dec 2019 #18
I like to keep track of my chickens, Thanks. LakeArenal Dec 2019 #21
I like Klobuchar as his VP too...nt VarryOn Dec 2019 #30
Klobuchar, Abrams, or Harris as Biden's Veep would be 👍. Funtatlaguy Dec 2019 #29
Katie Porter is amazing. But I don't think she has enough experience to be VP. lostnfound Dec 2019 #15
We elected a woman-but our country did not let us know Putin delisen Dec 2019 #33
I have long thought that Republicans could get the win of the first female president and I WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2019 #10
I think they will run Romney and Nikki Haley if Trump gets pushed out. delisen Dec 2019 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author meow2u3 Dec 2019 #20
Commentary by cliche: You can't count on anything bucolic_frolic Dec 2019 #22
Republican Presidents are often just figureheads treestar Dec 2019 #24
If THAT's making you sick, maybe imagine a nice FASCIST America. Hortensis Dec 2019 #25
This is my dream mainstreetonce Dec 2019 #26
This man agrees that it is WAY past time we had a female. Funtatlaguy Dec 2019 #28
Biden shouldn't resign. And we need to field the most electable candidate Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #41
In a better world with less racism, sexism and butthurt defectors, Hav Dec 2019 #34
There's risk there too. Will the country be willing to elect a woman president in 24 Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #40
I'm still gutted that it wasn't HRC. The Valley Below Dec 2019 #35
The Rethugs had a chance to vote for Liddy Dole and Fiorino. They obviously decided against a woman. Capt. America Dec 2019 #38
AOC ascrodin Dec 2019 #39
She can win in a blue district...not sure she will be able to win statewide or nationally. Demsrule86 Dec 2019 #42
 

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
1. If not for an arcane constitutional technicality, we would have one now.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:34 AM
Dec 2019

The EC needs to be reformed or removed (much more in favor of the latter).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
19. That and if the youth would vote!!
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:57 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. I am old and female and I live to see a woman president!
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:37 AM
Dec 2019

And the men in my live are equally as determined (other wise they wouldn't be here or at least this close to me). My husband, my son, my sons in law, my close male friends all feel as I do (tho perhaps not as passionately).

If our first woman president is a woman, I hope that she, at last, will be the one to end the official misogyny of the Republican party we know today!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
3. "I also would not be surprised if the first female U.S. president will end up being a Republican."
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:41 AM
Dec 2019

That's why I feel Nikki Haley could be dangerous in the future.

Republicans love her. Young female. Independent female voters would like her. Lean Dem female voters who aren't excited about the Democratic nominee might be enticed to vote for her.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Shrek

(3,980 posts)
7. +1
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:53 AM
Dec 2019

Republicans would love to do this just so they can gloat about it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
11. I agree
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:23 AM
Dec 2019

Obviously Amy Klobuchar would be my choice, but if it’s not a woman this year, I think Niki Haley will be the one to beat in 2024.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
31. I think the Con will put her on the ticket as VP if she wants it.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:44 PM
Dec 2019

In spite of what he says now.

And then everything you said. I absolutely hate that the first female president of the US could end up being a Republican.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
4. Perhaps voters will do the right thing
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:44 AM
Dec 2019

I agree, it looks grim .

But maybe primary voters will turn things around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
5. Well, you know, women are too emotional to be President
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:51 AM
Dec 2019

Can you imagine the moral damage that would be done to our country if we had a female president who had 5 kids with 3 different men?

Can you imagine the damage that would be done to our country if we had a president who responded to criticisms with conspiracy theories and personal attacks because she can't respond logically, only emotionally? My God!

(And just so we're clear everyone, )

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
32. I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I know people who look at these republican men
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:47 PM
Dec 2019

and think behaving this way is okay for any adult, much less one sitting in the Halls of Congress. I mean they must think it's okay, because they still support this putrid party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
6. Sorry for your disappointment but VP
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 09:52 AM
Dec 2019

Is probably your hope now. I’m not being snarky. But it looks good for Joe. I hope Katie Porter or Stacy Abrams.

But if you are unhappy maybe he’ll pick a woman you like.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
8. This does not look good
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:02 AM
Dec 2019

As a woman, I do not want women to be pulled into the WH on a man's arm.

Sure, it is what it is - but it's pretty terrible, imo

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
12. Sure a woman president would be great...but I live to see a Democratic president in 2020.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:29 AM
Dec 2019

When the woman who can overcome the sexism in this country and build a coalition not unlike the Obama coalition, we will have a woman president...until that time, a Democratic president is imperative for all progressives.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,716 posts)
27. I look at it this way:
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:30 PM
Dec 2019

Let's say a man - looks like Biden at this point, though not a certainty yet - gets the nomination. Let's say he chooses a woman as his running mate (and I think that's likely to happen) - Klobuchar, Harris, Warren, maybe someone else. We can be pretty sure that Biden would serve only one term on account of his age, which would set up his VP very nicely to run in 2024. Yes, she'd be getting on boost on account of having been VP, but she would still have to run for the presidency on her own merits. I'd be OK with that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
36. I keep in mind the Grandmothers in the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:24 PM
Dec 2019

They stood up to the military junta that murdered their children and stole their grandchildren and were ultimately successful in finding truth.

The grandfathers for many cultural reasons could not have accomplished it.

I think there are some parallels to our situation.

I saw it in Katie Porter when she questioned Jamie Dimon and noted his suppressed fury that she was calling him to account in the name of Citibank workers unable to support their children on the miserable wages.

Few male representatives could have accomplished what she did in that hearing.

In this election cycle we need to build on the success of 2018. What is going to save our country is the full participation of women and the underrepresented.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
9. I voted for Obama over Hillary in the primaries of 2008
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:17 AM
Dec 2019

So it’s not the only factor, obviously.
But I am really disgusted with America’s lack of imagination and blindness sometimes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
14. Well your candidate doesn't look like she will be the nominee which is always painful...but you
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:49 AM
Dec 2019

chose Obama over Hillary in 08...how is that different than today...when some like a different candidate?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
17. Nothing wrong with people liking different candidates. Besides...
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:48 AM
Dec 2019

We had never had an Obama before, either. 😊
It was a tough decision for me in 2008.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
23. I agree...it broke my heart in 16...Hillary was the most qualified nominee...ever.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 12:24 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
13. December 2007
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:39 AM
Dec 2019
https://news.gallup.com/poll/103495/election-summary.aspx

Do you remember who were the front runners in December 2007? I’ll give you a hint, it wasn’t Obama or McCain.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
16. So, your point? That it doesn't look great for Joe?
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:44 AM
Dec 2019

One of the “too earlies”?

Fine. My opinion is different.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
18. I'm just saying don't count your chickens.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:48 AM
Dec 2019

I am actually hoping that if he does stay strong, that he brings Amy Klobuchar along with him as his VP.
Having a Midwesterner on the ticket could make a difference in Wisconsin.
Of course, when Amy comes from behind, she could choose him for her VP!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LakeArenal

(28,819 posts)
21. I like to keep track of my chickens, Thanks.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:59 AM
Dec 2019

If Joe wins and picked any primary candidate for VP it would be Amy. She would, at this point, be my choice for the first woman President.

I just don’t want him to pick a primary candidate “if” he gets to choose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
30. I like Klobuchar as his VP too...nt
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:38 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,877 posts)
29. Klobuchar, Abrams, or Harris as Biden's Veep would be 👍.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:35 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
15. Katie Porter is amazing. But I don't think she has enough experience to be VP.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 11:43 AM
Dec 2019

If Joe gets nominated, I do hope he picks a female running mate.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
33. We elected a woman-but our country did not let us know Putin
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:54 PM
Dec 2019

had become part of the electorate and had decided to do everything he cold to keep her out of office.

Clinton is a woman of strong principles when it come to Democracy and Human Rights. Putin hates her for standing on those principles.

I think it would be great if Biden spoke out forcefully on Russia now, and I mean forcefully.

The FBI investigation is ongoing - last I read they had gotten into the data in almost every state.

What is our best chance for turning things around now is getting more Democratic woman in Congress-we need parity-at a minimum.

I personally am not disappointed-like many women the "disappointment" stage is long past.

We know we have to lead the fight; not play second fiddle.

Depending upon others going along to get along has brought us to where we are today. It is not a mistake we are going to continue to make.






If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
10. I have long thought that Republicans could get the win of the first female president and I
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 10:20 AM
Dec 2019

assume it's their collective/strategic misogyny that keeps them from making it happen.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

delisen

(6,044 posts)
37. I think they will run Romney and Nikki Haley if Trump gets pushed out.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:34 PM
Dec 2019

Bain Capital Mitt Romney was ridiculed for in 2012 because he described Russia as a major threat-it turned out he was right and he will waste no time in advertising that. Nikki Haley already seems to be running and seeking the "honorable confederacy legacy" voters to make up for having removing that flag in South Carolina.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided

Response to lostnfound (Original post)

 

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
22. Commentary by cliche: You can't count on anything
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 12:18 PM
Dec 2019

America was a political entity protected by a legal system, Constitution, treaties, natural geographic boundaries, and will of the people. At the current time, all of those protections have holes blown in them. So I don't know how much sovereignty we have in the bank anymore.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. Republican Presidents are often just figureheads
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 12:59 PM
Dec 2019

So they might be OK with that. I remember how spiteful they were that the first female Supreme Court justice was appointed by a Republican President.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. If THAT's making you sick, maybe imagine a nice FASCIST America.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:25 PM
Dec 2019

RW authoritarian governments, both religious and secular, are very strongly conservative, male dominated, and solidly misogynistic. In North America they're all white. And fascistic RW governments are ARCHconservative.

Right now the Republicans are packing federal and state supreme courts with hard-core conservative (and religious) originalists and textualists (Examples: No right under the constitution to birth control if a state wants to make it illegal to boost its labor force. No right to a government-run retirement or healthcare program under the constitution.)

This election is not about which healthcare system we care to choose or whether we should finally elect a woman president, or another black man, or perhaps a nice purple.

It's about whether we'll continue to have the power to choose at all. We are at a point where we are going to either let it happen here or stop it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
26. This is my dream
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:28 PM
Dec 2019

President Biden followed by his female VP to be the first female president in 24.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,877 posts)
28. This man agrees that it is WAY past time we had a female.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:33 PM
Dec 2019

Could she possibly be worse than Trump.
I had high hopes that Warren or Harris (or even Klobuchar but NOT Gabbard) would be our nominee.
But, I’m afraid it is not to be again.
I hate to use the word “settle” but I do think we will be nominating Biden.
I kind of understand.
He is the safe choice and most polling shows that he has the best chance to win the states that have to flip from 2016.
I get that and I love Joe. He’s a great man.
I just wanted a woman as our nominee.
Who knows if he might not just pick a female Veep that he would let takeover in his fourth year by resigning and giving her a leg up on 2024.
I’d love that. But, that’s just me.
Like everyone else here, priority One is ousting Trump. If Joe is the one to do it, I will enthusiastically support him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
41. Biden shouldn't resign. And we need to field the most electable candidate
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 08:31 AM
Dec 2019

going forward...man or woman...what matters is he/she is a Democrat and we get judges and some policy.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hav

(5,969 posts)
34. In a better world with less racism, sexism and butthurt defectors,
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 01:57 PM
Dec 2019

Clinton wins in a landslide solely based on her capabilities which should be the main criteria. That of course doesn't deny the fact that this office has been dominated by a specific group.

On the other side, it also feels that if this point is brought forward in the primary only if your preferred candidate happens to be female, it kind of cheapens the point. It's an important issue but you can't tell how honest it is pursued if, for instance, those who claim that they hope for a female President now, didn't believe the same in the 2016 primaries and preferred the typical white male over a uniquely qualified woman.

I think if Biden wins the primary, he will choose a female VP, probably Harris. After Biden's term(s), she'd be in a great position for the Presidency.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
40. There's risk there too. Will the country be willing to elect a woman president in 24
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 08:28 AM
Dec 2019

or 28? I am not talking right or wrong here...sexism is wrong of course. I desperately want a woman president in my lifetime. But electing Democrats is my priority. We need to work on winning hearts and minds. Also while I personally like Harris, she did not do well in the primary. I think Tammy Duckworth is a better choice for VP.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

The Valley Below

(1,701 posts)
35. I'm still gutted that it wasn't HRC.
Sat Dec 14, 2019, 02:00 PM
Dec 2019

I always support the person I think is most qualified for office, irrespective of gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion, or any such factors.

That said, I was thrilled when Barack Obama, in my estimation, was the best person for the job in 2008 and felt the same when I voted for HRC in 2016.

Like most liberal Democrats, I support a diverse party and like seeing diverse candidates holding office.

I've not gotten over 2016. What a loss for our nation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Capt. America

(2,477 posts)
38. The Rethugs had a chance to vote for Liddy Dole and Fiorino. They obviously decided against a woman.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:15 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ascrodin

(12 posts)
39. AOC
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 01:36 AM
Dec 2019

If don't get a woman this time around, there's always AOC in a few years.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
42. She can win in a blue district...not sure she will be able to win statewide or nationally.
Sun Dec 15, 2019, 08:34 AM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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