Biden's speech to culinary union in Nevada

[Gothmog]

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[stonecutter357]

1. let's go Joe !

[ritapria]

2. The 160 milion people who busted their neck, hit the Picket lines ?

[emmaverybo]

7. I don't think Biden said 160 million are in unions. 70 percent of teachers belong to them. About

7 percent workers altogether are in unions. If half of 160 million people on private plans don’t want to give them up, that’s 80 million, enough to lose an election on one issue alone.

[Perseus]

18. There aren't that many people in the insurance/medical industry and republican politicians

Those are the ones who have busted their necks, etc. to make possible the shitty scam we have had for years as health coverage. Sad that some Democrats continue to repeat the insurance/medical industry and republican politicians meme of "people love their insurances", no they don't.

[R B Garr]

33. Eliminating union benefits are the true Republican talking points.

We love our insurance. What is sad is that you keep saying that people happy with their hard-fought benefits are "repeating insurance/medical industry and republican politicians meme of people love their insurance." I have yet to see anyone not try and smear people who like their insurance. All you have is insults and attacks on people's character because they like their insurance.

Union benefits are not an insurance/medical industry or Republican talking point. It's the opposite.

[The Mouth]

44. YES. +100

I walked a picket line to get decent benefits for my co-workers and myself. YES, we gave up wage hikes and other things.

Taking away, or in any way diminishing my healthcare is not acceptable. Sure, have the OPTION for medicare, I would have been happy with that at various points in my life, but don't even think about removing something that works for me.

Anyone thinking that is 'an insurance/medical talking point' is a moron, a liar, and completely full of shit.

[Cha]

3. Culinary Union Cheers Biden Especially on Healthcare!

Gracias, Goth!

[Gothmog]

8. This makes me smile

Link to tweet

[Cha]

12. It made me break into a smile, too.. and then

into a little laugh of joy! Thank you!

[Wellstone ruled]

37. Hats off to

the Culinary Guy's and Gal's. This is the largest single voting block in Nevada and they know darn well how to use their Political strength. They control approximately 80k votes in Clark County on any State or National issue.

Going to be darn interesting come February and Caucus Day. Four years ago,it at this time,it was Sanders in the lead until after Xmas when the Hillary Steam Roller came to town and the rest is History.

Watch Culinary.

[The Valley Below]

4. Union members will go with Joe Biden.

They will be the key to victory in key swing states in the General, where Biden will beat Trump like a drum!

[Sloumeau]

5. Gothmog, Thanks for posting this!

This is another good day for Joe Biden!

[Thekaspervote]

6. Great video clip! Thx for posting

[myohmy2]

9. sounds okay...

...if you like that sort of thing...

" “People who have busted their neck, walked down picket lines, gave up pay, took hits in order to get significant healthcare available, you get to keep it” "

...after taking all those 'hits' and 'busting your neck' you're going to need better coverage, coverage only MFA can provide...

...private insurance I suppose is better than nothing, but MFA and Bernie will make you want to throw it away, not keep it...

...sorry Joe, had to say it...

[emmaverybo]

11. Until MFA advocates recognize that many people's private insurance is actually top-rate and

affordable, they will fail to convince them to part with it. Certainly, the majority of folks not in unions pay high premiums, lose insurance when they change jobs, encounter abuses like emergency out of network charges for catastrophic illness—but there are some millions whose private insurance is better than what they will have with single payer. They don’t all lose it with the job either. Many are vested with life-time benefits, Some pay zero premiums.

Does not mean they can not be convinced to support M4A with other arguments, but disparaging their benefits or ignoring that millions DO like their plans won’t help to sway them.

[Cha]

13. Whatever.. just keep kicking these Joe

Biden threads.

[Gothmog]

22. Taking away voters private insurance is not a good move

Link to tweet

[redstateblues]

30. Forcing people to give up insurance they like?

That is what you call a General Election loser.

[emmaverybo]

10. Reading the tweet thread, seemed folks there really taken with fact that Biden got out in the crowd

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and talked one on one. They said they felt he was having a real conversation with people. Again and again people report that Biden’s style makes them feel recognized, listened to, and genuinely cared about or that they observe him having that effect on others.

Biden’s abilities as a communicator have been much underestimated this election cycle.

[The Mouth]

47. That is, I think, his biggest strength

no one can work a crowd, with listening and empathy, like Joe. I like almost all of our candidates (fuck Bloomberg and the horse he rode in on), but Joe is perhaps the best campaigner we have, all due respect to Warren and her well thought out policies.

[R B Garr]

14. Great! Biden's plan is real; M4all is not real.

Expand on Medicare and let people keep their insurance.

[guillaumeb]

27. Medicare for All is not currently the law.

Most people have sub-par insurance.

[R B Garr]

31. Exactly, M4A is not real. Biden is talking about a real system, existing insurance

the ACA and expanding Medicare. That is real. M4A is not real.

[guillaumeb]

32. The US system is ranked 37th for a reason.

That is real.

And the profiteers are spending money to poison the debate so they can continue profiting at our expense.

That too is real.

[R B Garr]

34. These are all abstract and generalized gripes. We love our insurance.

That's why Biden's plan offers the most immediate and realistic method to move everyone's needs forward. It is comprehensive for the times we find ourselves in. It's not a my-way-or-the-highway purity exercise,

[guillaumeb]

36. No, they are not, and no, "we" do not love our insurance.

We need our health, but we do not need for-profit companies that siphon billions from our premium money into their own coffers.

Most other industrialized countries have already figured this one out.

[R B Garr]

40. We love our insurance. Look how you have to attack people to force a dialogue

that doesn't fit your narrative. Who are you to tell me that "we" don't love our insurance. Yes. We love our insurance.

You are just bringing up generalized gripes about insurance companies because you like certain politicians. Next you'll be saying I love insurance companies and am sticking up for them. These insults are so predictable and lame.

[guillaumeb]

42. Who is this we?

And why do we need insurance company profiteers skimming billions from premiums?

[R B Garr]

46. LOL, who do you think this "we" is??

Don't you think it's people who use our insurance??

This is getting really bizarre at this point, sorry.

Now you are ruminating more about evil insurance companies, which is really a waste of time since that is more about politicians you like. They have certain talking points, and you like the wording of one politician over another, so it's not a good use of time.

[guillaumeb]

48. Have a good day, and please consider reading my post about

the healthcare profiteers.

And whatever you do, do not watch the hearings.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212774608

[R B Garr]

51. These are the false purity standards you have assigned yourself.

It's very disingenuous to force your wording onto others as if only you are informed about "hearings". I can remember Hillary Clinton's healthcare hearings back in the 90's. Sanders was into his my-way-or-the-highway single payer plan. Look where that has gotten him over 25 years -- nowhere.

Building on Obamacare, letting people keep their insurance if they are happy, and expanding Medicare are what will make progress. Hanging back and insulting, badgering rudeness about single payer have gotten nowhere over the last few decades.

You should watch the Hillary hearings from the 90's.

[peggysue2]

15. Keeping it real, Joe!

And that's how the man will win it.

[UncleNoel]

16. Thanks, Goth!

He will take Nevada and beat TRump likw SEUM...

[Perseus]

17. Hmmm...nobody fought for the current health/insurance scam, we are fighting for universal

healthcare. The only ones who constantly fight for the current insurance scam are the scammers, the insurance industry, the medical industry & the republicans.

That meme that "many people love their current healthcare benefits" is something the insurance industry, the medical industry & the republicans have been throwing out there and it is amazing that some Democrats are buying into it.

Yes, you may like your current insurance deal, until your employer takes it away, or until you loose your job at which time you are not protected, or god forbid, until someone in your family becomes so sick that insurances are no longer interested in paying for your "wonderful benefits".

I wish some Democrats would stop repeating that meme which is far from the truth.

[R B Garr]

21. We love our insurance. Union benefits are not a RW talking

point. I’m glad Joe is addressing union benefits and protecting them.

What is a Republican talking point is taking away union benefits. That is a real RW talking point, not the smears against others Democrats who like their insurance. So far, the only “meme” about union benefits is to insult and smear us because we like our union benefits.

There is no guarantee that everything will be roses with M4all. That is the “meme” and the myth. It’s amazing that some are buying into it.

[R B Garr]

23. Also, universal healthcare is not single payer.

This seems to be done intentionally to try and confuse people to claim some false moral high ground to browbeat people. What Joe is proposing is basically universal healthcare. You are trying to have it both ways with single payer. Single payer is forcing people onto government insurance and taking away their choice.

[Perseus]

24. Definitions

Universal health care is a system that provides quality medical services to all citizens. The federal government offers it to everyone regardless of their ability to pay.
Most universal health care is funded by general income taxes or payroll taxes.
Universal health care lowers health care costs for an economy. The government controls the price of medication and medical services through negotiation and regulation.

There is not out of pocket expenses added, it all comes down from taxes. And the last line is something that private insurance will never dare do, lower costs of medicines and cost of medical services, they feed from it.

While Sanders and Warren are going in slightly different ways (Sanders wants UH and Warren SPC), bit solutions are better than what we actually have, and what unions have today is exactly what either of those are proposing. On the other hand Biden is proposing more of the same, which is Obamacare, that although is better than regular private insurance, it is not enough. Obamacare does not solve the problems we have with healthcare, I understand that republicans made it difficult for Obama to implement what he wanted, I wonder why Biden with his fantastic negotiating skills didn't help on Obamacare during his tenure at VP, we may not be having this discussion today.

[R B Garr]

29. Single payer is one form of universal health care. It's not the only one, hence the difference:

"Under a true single-payer system, one government-run insurance carrier would finance the entire health care system, rendering private health insurance unnecessary. However, nearly every universal health care system incorporates private health insurance."

You are commingling aspects of "definitions" and are not really accurate about what is being offered in each politician's policy proposals. "Bit solutions..." thank you because that actually describes Biden's plan more accurately and that is more accurately what universal health care is.

Sanders' M4A is single payer. If he has changed, then he is now agreeing with Biden that hybrid systems are what is needed to move forward. Biden is not running exclusively on Obamacare, so you are misrepresenting him. Do I get to ruminate on why Sanders wasn't helping Hillary Clinton get universal health care decades ago in the 90's instead of his my-way-or-the-highway single payer?

Anyway, Sanders and Warren are running on single payer. I've seen Warren has changed some of her positions about single payer, so I think you have it backwards. Warren is moving towards universal healthcare. Sanders is for single payer.

[guillaumeb]

28. Exactly.

The billions that the profiteers are spending to poison the dialogue is working.

[NYMinute]

19. Go Joe!!! K&R

[LeftTurn3623]

20. Lets defend the Insurance companies!

[tirebiter]

35. Feel free, otoh I support unions right to negotiate pay and benefits.

You know, the real world stuff

[LeftTurn3623]

50. no its republican talking points

Do you think the Union would give a shit if they got the same benefits through the government that they get through private ins and it did not effect their pay?

Look Pete (who I support) says the same stuff. It doesn't mean I like it. Its playing with words to help get you elected.

All progressives should want to get America to a single healthcare system eventually. I agree with Biden & Pete that the country is not ready for that yet so its bad politics for Warren & Sanders. But I also have a problem with people from the Democratic party using Republican talking points.

The truth of the matter, I could careless what unions fought for under the current system if changing the system makes it better for all Americans. What about all the people without health Insurance? Who is cheering for them?

Pete At least says its right. The goal is to eventually get to a single payer system but we shouldn't force the American people when they are not ready. Let them see a public option work first. - paraphrasing

[TidalWave46]

25. One of the most ass backward things we have ever done as a country....

Yet I fully understand this is the winning message. Activists still have work to do.

“People who have busted their neck, walked down picket lines, gave up pay, took hits in order to get significant healthcare available, you get to keep it”

[guillaumeb]

26. Only about 11% of Americans belong to unions.

And of this 11%, many have second rate healthcare plans.

Why this fear of Medicare for All?

Remember too that the profiteers in healthcare are spending billions to frighten people because Medicare for All would threaten their ability to profit.

[R B Garr]

39. Now you are implying that only union workers can be happy with their insurance.

This need to smear people's character because they like their insurance is really all that single payer proponents offer and it's beginning to show.

Now people are "afraid" of Medicare for All. Maybe people don't feel the need to bow down just because some like a certain politician. M4A is not real. If anyone is trying to "frighten" people, it's this constant attack on people's characters who don't want to be forced onto government insurance, or they don't want to waste their time ruminating about something that will never pass.

This is why Biden's plan is comprehensive for the times we are in. It is the most accessible and realistic. It let's people keep their insurance, protects the ACA and helps to expand Medicare.

[guillaumeb]

41. No, not only union workers are unhappy with their insurance.

Why is the US system ranked 37th?

[R B Garr]

43. We were talking about people happy with their insurance. Obviously many are not happy.

That is not the point.

Biden's plan says those with insurance will have a choice. Let's quit making blanket evil vs. not evil ruminations about people and stick to what is in the here and now. If you don't like your insurance, you can switch under Biden's plan. It's not about insulting people who like their insurance as if only you know what they like.

Medicare for All is not real. Many will want to talk about what is real and accessible with the current times we find ourselves in. Then build on that, by all means.

[guillaumeb]

45. We determine what is real.

Marriage equality was not real, until it was.

Many other things were not real, until they became real. My point, and the point of an associated post here, is that the healthcare profiteers are only interested in keeping their profits high.

[R B Garr]

49. You just said that Medicare for All is not law. Obviously it's not real, then.

I see you like the wording of one politician, so this isn't about policies anymore. Biden's plan let's people keep their insurance if they are happy with it. Union benefits are hard-fought and it is a right wing talking point to reject union benefits.

[guillaumeb]

52. I have been a union member since 1974.

And I am well aware of the significant limitations of insurance controlled plans.

And I am also well aware that unexpected medical costs are the number 1 cause of personal bankruptcy.

And many of these people filing for bankruptcy already have private insurance.

And what I said is that we can change what is real, and we do so every time we enact change.

[R B Garr]

53. Nothing you are saying would be a reason for people to be forced to

give up their insurance if they are happy with it.

Medicare for All is not real, so this is all just wishful thinking, and if people want to talk about what is real and what is attainable, they just get insulted. There are 160,000 million on insurance. There is no reason to force them off their insurance just because you like certain politicians. The public option is a perfectly viable way to move everyone forward along the path to better and more comprehensive universal healthcare.

[tirebiter]

38. So taking away union benefits is pro union?

Just wondering.

[PunkinPi]

54. Their endorsement would be a good get for Biden.

Word was they were going to endorse Harris if she hadn't dropped out.

[Gothmog]

55. Joe Biden's :comments drew cheers from the several hundred workers."

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[LongtimeAZDem]

56. Now we're cooking!

[Gothmog]

57. Joe Biden knows how hard @Culinary226 members like Roselia fought for their benefits.

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[oasis]

58. Joe's got it right on healthcare and much more. nt