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NEW: Bernie Sanders' ''High-Speed Internet for All" (Original Post) Donkees Dec 2019 OP
ice cream for all evertonfc Dec 2019 #1
You beat me to it. I was going to say "chocolate cake for all!" George II Dec 2019 #3
With cherries on top crazytown Dec 2019 #7
Cheesecake too! nt Kahuna7 Dec 2019 #4
Yes, infrastructure is analogous to free treats. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #9
Promising DownriverDem Dec 2019 #11
What, no ponies? nm Wednesdays Dec 2019 #28
Don't forget Dem4Life1102 Dec 2019 #32
For us in rural areas, this is a huge deal! Dennis Donovan Dec 2019 #2
Another brilliant idea by Bernie!! Keep 'em comin'!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #5
Access to high speed internet is Bernie's idea? BannonsLiver Dec 2019 #14
Working out a treat for Jeremy Corbyn crazytown Dec 2019 #6
i believe that idea from corbyn was received well when polled Otto Lidenbrock Dec 2019 #19
I take it he'll be able to pay for this with the money he won't be getting for MfA... brooklynite Dec 2019 #8
How dare he address our obsolete and wholly inadequate communications infrastructure. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #10
I'm not arguing against the merits...just against Bernie's ability to achieve them brooklynite Dec 2019 #12
Look, Bernie Sanders isn't the most capable policy wonk on the hill. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #16
Again: nobody's arguing against the idea... brooklynite Dec 2019 #17
Yeah, that's really fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #22
Political reality always is... brooklynite Dec 2019 #23
Yes, I am very stupid, I know. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #25
I have no kids, so I'm not paternalistic, and I wouldn't call myself a socialite... brooklynite Dec 2019 #26
My mistake. As I said, I am very dumb. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2019 #29
I also and the next time they call for a donation I shall refuse to donate to their campaign. Autumn Dec 2019 #13
Yes, the nerve of Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2019 #20
excellent... myohmy2 Dec 2019 #15
Broadband should be a publicly owned utility, not a private commodity Fiendish Thingy Dec 2019 #18
What else can we throw up against the wall to see if it sticks? OldRed2450 Dec 2019 #21
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Dec 2019 #24
Dems tossed this idea as a trial balloon a few years ago Wednesdays Dec 2019 #27
"And YOU get a car! And YOU get a car! And YOU get a car!" The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2019 #30
This was in the 2016 Democratic platform. lapucelle Dec 2019 #31
And yet we will no doubt hear the media refer to it as a good example of the change that HRC refused StevieM Dec 2019 #34
For sure not a new idea. Skidmore Dec 2019 #35
K and R dewsgirl Dec 2019 #33
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
3. You beat me to it. I was going to say "chocolate cake for all!"
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:26 AM
Dec 2019
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
7. With cherries on top
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:50 AM
Dec 2019

- got to be cherries, and raspberries, and ...

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. Yes, infrastructure is analogous to free treats.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:01 AM
Dec 2019
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DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
11. Promising
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:09 AM
Dec 2019

all those freebies will not win votes, because it's unrealistic.

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Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
28. What, no ponies? nm
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:50 AM
Dec 2019
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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
32. Don't forget
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:56 AM
Dec 2019

Unicorns and rainbows for everyone. LOL

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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
2. For us in rural areas, this is a huge deal!
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:20 AM
Dec 2019

Presently, I use fixed wireless broadband running @ 12 mips which, while not blindingly fast, gives me enough to stream TV and web apps. But, it has high latency (90ms or more ping times, which means no online gaming for me w/o issues).

I hope Joe adopts something similar.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
5. Another brilliant idea by Bernie!! Keep 'em comin'!!
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:45 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
14. Access to high speed internet is Bernie's idea?
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:19 AM
Dec 2019

Are you channeling Al Gore?

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
6. Working out a treat for Jeremy Corbyn
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:46 AM
Dec 2019

(not)

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Otto Lidenbrock

(581 posts)
19. i believe that idea from corbyn was received well when polled
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:48 AM
Dec 2019

corbyn's failings are to do with his actual leadership. a lot of his ideas would be very popular and electable if there was someone with less evasiveness on issues of antisemitism, brexit and nato as the labour party leader.

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
8. I take it he'll be able to pay for this with the money he won't be getting for MfA...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 09:55 AM
Dec 2019
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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
10. How dare he address our obsolete and wholly inadequate communications infrastructure.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:06 AM
Dec 2019

I shall complain of this most vociferously at this evening's cocktail party.

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
12. I'm not arguing against the merits...just against Bernie's ability to achieve them
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:10 AM
Dec 2019

Quite honestly, I'd give better odds to Warren to work with the Senate to get things done.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
16. Look, Bernie Sanders isn't the most capable policy wonk on the hill.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:38 AM
Dec 2019

I don't disagree. But he is charismatic, and a lot of his ideas are good ideas even if he isn't able to flesh out the details. We—people who think other candidates are more suited to the job—should be a bit more complementary to these ideas, and a little less eager to shit all over the man every time he opens his mouth.



You talk a lot about a candidate who can win Michigan. Well, let me tell you a little story about Michigan:

I have a colleague up in the UP, a pediatric hematologist/oncologist. He treats kids with hemophilia. He treats kids with cancer. And he's the only such specialist in a three-county radius. His patients drive up to three hours each way to visit his office. For some, it is faster to drive to Green Bay, WI.

So, we had the great idea of starting a telemedical program linking underserved populations with specialists here in the LP. Instead of spending six hours in the car for a routine checkup, our patients could drive to a local community clinic and see one of our docs through our web conferencing system.

It's functional, but it isn't ideal. Patients can still be up to an hour's drive away from these community clinics. In bad weather (September through May), that just isn't going to happen. Also, the internet in the UP is, generally, awful. It's bad in the cities. It's terrible in the villages. It can be non-existent in households.

Fixing our telecom and internet infrastructure isn't "free stuff". In Michigan, it will literally save lives, and there are people in the blood red UP who understand that on a very personal level.

I'm not going to vote for Bernie Sanders in the primary. But this is a good idea. I give no fucks who brought it up.

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
17. Again: nobody's arguing against the idea...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:46 AM
Dec 2019

...but the reality is that Bernie has a "my way or the highway" approach to politics, and seems to think that opposition will cave in the face of his "revolution". They didn't show up in 2016 or 2018, and there's no sign that they're showing up now. Add to which, his OTHER high dollar policy proposals make the odds for funding this one that much lower.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
22. Yeah, that's really fascinating.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:21 AM
Dec 2019
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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
23. Political reality always is...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:31 AM
Dec 2019
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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
25. Yes, I am very stupid, I know.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:42 AM
Dec 2019

Good thing I have a paternalistic socialite on my shoulder keeping my perception of reality thoroughly unclouded. Thanks!

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brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
26. I have no kids, so I'm not paternalistic, and I wouldn't call myself a socialite...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:47 AM
Dec 2019

Just someone with 40 years of real-world political experience.

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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
29. My mistake. As I said, I am very dumb.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
Dec 2019
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Autumn

(45,107 posts)
13. I also and the next time they call for a donation I shall refuse to donate to their campaign.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:18 AM
Dec 2019
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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
20. Yes, the nerve of Bernie!!
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:01 AM
Dec 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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Undecided
 

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
15. excellent...
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:32 AM
Dec 2019

"...publicly owned broadband networks..."

...a lot of good paying jobs there...

...much of the infrastructure in our country is old and antiquated...

...from bridges to the internet, Bernie will start to remedy this...

...one more reason why Bernie must be our next President...

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Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
18. Broadband should be a publicly owned utility, not a private commodity
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 10:48 AM
Dec 2019

It's about time the US caught up with the rest of the developed world, which on average has has faster, more stable internet service than America.

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OldRed2450

(710 posts)
21. What else can we throw up against the wall to see if it sticks?
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:17 AM
Dec 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
24. Kicked and recommended.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:33 AM
Dec 2019

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

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Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
27. Dems tossed this idea as a trial balloon a few years ago
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:49 AM
Dec 2019

I, for one, think it's a great idea.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
30. "And YOU get a car! And YOU get a car! And YOU get a car!"
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:51 AM
Dec 2019

Maybe Oprah should have run after all.

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lapucelle

(18,275 posts)
31. This was in the 2016 Democratic platform.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 11:55 AM
Dec 2019
High-speed internet connectivity is not a luxury; it is a necessity for 21st century economic success, social mobility, education, health care, and public safety. Despite considerable progress and private investment in the last eight years to close the digital divide, there is more work to do. Democrats will finish the job of connecting every household in America to high-speed broadband, increase internet adoption, and help hook up anchor institutions so they can offer free WiFi to the public. We will take action to help America widely deploy 5G technology—the next generation wireless service that will not only bring faster internet
connections to underserved areas, but will enable the Internet of Things and a host of transformative technologies.

Democrats support a free and open internet at home and abroad, and will oppose any effort by Republicans to roll back the historic net neutrality rules that the Federal Communications Commission enacted last year.


https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

It was also part of Hillary Clinton's NYS platform when she ran for Senate in 2000 and a signature accomplishment during her first term.
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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
34. And yet we will no doubt hear the media refer to it as a good example of the change that HRC refused
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:19 PM
Dec 2019

to get behind in 2016. Facts, details and events are no longer the way that we assess history. Instead we focus on the joy of bullying people.

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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
35. For sure not a new idea.
Fri Dec 6, 2019, 01:24 PM
Dec 2019

desmoinesregister.com/story/tech/2015/01/13/branstad-obama-broadband-internet-access/21721085/

Iowa is still laying cable and it is the one decent thing Branstad did on his way out the door.

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