Is a candidate grabbing a potential Dem voter, or any stranger, by the shoulders ever ok?

[JoeOtterbein]

[link:https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/05/people-who-want-ban-fracking-immediately-says-joe-biden-oughta-vote-someone-else?

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People Who Want to Ban Fracking Immediately, Says Joe Biden, 'Oughta Vote for Someone Else'
"Might I recommend Bernie Sanders: the climate candidate," responds Vermont senator's press secretary.

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"No, no, I know," the Sunrise activist patiently explains as Biden grabs him by the shoulders. "But she also worked—"

"If you look at my record," Biden begins, "look at my record. Just look at my record."

The two discuss fracking as well. Biden tells the activist that "you can't ban fracking right now" because "you gotta transition away from it."

"You're gonna ban fracking all across America, right now, right?" Biden asks the Sunrise activist.

"I would love to," the activist replies.

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more and video at link

Please can anyone on DU tell me tonight this video is fake so I can get some sleep tonight?

sigh

[SterlingPound]

1. In so many ways we are losing with biden even if he wins

because he is the status quo so many Americans voted against the last election

[tiredtoo]

3. YES for sure

This is a difficult message to get across but it is the truth.

[sheshe2]

9. Explain staus quo.

I see this used here a lot without an explanation when asked. Please explain who voted against the "status quo", what that means and why. Thanks.

SterlingPound
1. In so many ways we are losing with biden even if he wins

because he is the status quo so many Americans voted against the last election

[SterlingPound]

18. Honestly i think we would have to go to what the media's deffinition of what the status quo was at

the time since it was and is brought up.

and that could be as wide as me opening this up to what everyone posting thinks the status quo was/is

or we could go to articles now and then

either way, I would agree with some of what is suggested and disagree with some on a list or in an article.

IMO id says it is just someone who has been around since the 1970s and would be passing over a real chance for needed change to rebuild his health care ideas from the 1990s.

[sheshe2]

26. So.

No answer.

[SterlingPound]

28. I voted hillary in 2016 so yea i dont really have an answer to that

I was actually voting for the status quo and sanity

[sheshe2]

31. Uum Hm

[betsuni]

27. Status quo means when there's a Democratic president, no "regime change wars" and as much

progress as possible despite unprecedented Republican obstructionism. Obviously this is much worse than Republican presidents, who are not corrupted by fundraising and really care about the working class. Like Trump!

[sheshe2]

30. Gotta love ya.

[billpolonsky]

32. Status quo ( not the band)

"Status quo is a Latin phrase meaning the existing state of affairs, particularly with regard to social or political issues. In the sociological sense, it generally applies to maintain or change existing social structure and values. With regard to policy debate, the status quo refers to how conditions are at the time and how the affirmative team can solve these conditions for example "The countries are now trying to maintain a status quo with regards to their nuclear arsenal which will help them if the situation gets any worse."






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. Well said.

[applegrove]

29. If the status quo is listening to experts for the best ideas and not the

American Legislative Exchange Concil like republicns have been doing for years and years, i'm all for the experts and Biden.

[RDANGELO]

2. I think it is ok.

It wasn't in a confrontational manner.

[pnwmom]

4. Some people will like it, some will be deeply uncomfortable, and you can't tell who's who

just by looking.

So it's not a good habit.

[JoeOtterbein]

6. I'm clearly terrified.

I sincerely hope it all looks better, somehow, in the morning.

Gulp! (another glass of suds)

I hope!

[pnwmom]

8. Do you have any friends or relatives on the spectrum? People on the spectrum

and many other introverts don't want anyone's hands on them, unless those hands belong to someone close (and sometimes not even then).

And autistic people and introverts are allowed to vote -- and we want them to vote for Democrats, right?

[JoeOtterbein]

10. +1000!

Thanks pnwmom! I'll sleep better tonight because of your understanding.

[pnwmom]

12. My children always had autistic friends and classmates over the years.

I think I heard that it's because some of the high functioning people on the spectrum end up working at places like Microsoft. They end up diagnosing themselves after their kids get diagnosed.

[JoeOtterbein]

17. I grew up with an aunt who lived with us until I moved out, who was what we now know as...

...being developmentally disabled. The words used then to describe her were terrible.

And to this day I still cry for my dear, and always sweet, Aunt Rita.

(more tears)

Thank you so much for reminding me of the memories.

[pnwmom]

22. Aw . . .

I had a dear grandfather with Parkinson's, back before there were treatments. He wasn't able to talk anymore, or to control the shaking, but you could feel the love in his eyes.

Thank YOU for reminding me.

[JoeOtterbein]

24. aw..back at ya!

and more tears!

[LanternWaste]

33. "Respect cops so you don't get shot..." you'll pretend is benign, yes?

Yet feign righteous outrage at a simple touch.




Consistency.

Hobgoblins.

Little minds.

[BannonsLiver]

34. You're "terrified"?

Really?

[sheshe2]

5. I have no clue what your title has to do with the article from Common Dreams.

Is a candidate grabbing a potential Dem voter, or any stranger, by the shoulders ever ok?

Bernie is a potential Dem voter and Elizabeth is touching/ grabbing and/or caressing his shoulder. Is that not OKay?

Do not touch.

[JoeOtterbein]

7. Come on! They are both clearly not strangers!

Please tell me I'm still dreaming!!!!!!!!!!!

[sheshe2]

14. They are not strangers.

However they are adversaries fighting for the top slot. They are not friends. Bernie's support team are trashing her. They are NOT friends.

Wed, Jun 19th, 2019 by Jason Easley
Bernie Sanders Attacks Elizabeth Warren As A Corporate Democrat

Bernie Sanders is now claiming that since moderate Democrats are coming around on Elizabeth Warren, she is a corporate Democrat.


Bernie Sanders
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@BernieSanders


The cat is out of the bag. The corporate wing of the Democratic Party is publicly "anybody but Bernie." They know our progressive agenda of Medicare for All, breaking up big banks, taking on drug companies and raising wages is the real threat to the billionaire class.
https://
twitter.com/politico/statu
s/1141281982418247682
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POLITICO
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@politico

Centrists are coming around to Elizabeth Warren as an alternative to Bernie Sanders
https://
politi.co/2XlRlxE

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/06/19/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren.html

Dreams....

[pnwmom]

16. Don't you believe Elizabeth Warren when she says they're friends?

https://www.elle.com/culture/career-politics/a28612663/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-friendship-2020/

Either way, when asked, Warren told Cooper, “Bernie and I have been friends forever, long before I ever got involved in politics, I went up to Vermont and did town halls with Bernie. I’ve given Bernie much of my work when the housing crash was coming. So I’m always glad to be anywhere with Bernie.”

SNIP

In a New York Times op-ed, which admittedly criticizes the two, columnist Frank Bruni wrote, “You were expecting the two of them to fight each other, because they have overlapping fan bases and because both of them want the progressive mantle? Hah. They were too busy doing battle with the candidates flanking them.”

BuzzFeed News similarly reported after the debate: “Few really expected Warren and Sanders, the highest-polling candidates in the first of two Democratic debates this week, to go after each other here in Detroit. The two senators, both dominant and at ease onstage, instead worked in lockstep at points to bat back moderate critics, even as moderators attempted to incite a conflict between the two big-name progressives.”


Their intentions were clear, even before the night started. When asked before the debate about debating against Sanders, she told reporters in Ohio, “Look, I’m not against anyone. Bernie and I have been friends forever.”

[JoeOtterbein]

19. more tears

And thanks again for your kindness and boundless heart pnwmom.

[pnwmom]

11. Bernie and Elizabeth are long time friends, not strangers. So I don't understand the relevance.

Where I live, there is a somewhat higher percentage of autistic people in the population. And many of those on the spectrum vote -- and even go to campaign events and ask questions.

But that doesn't mean they want to be grabbed. (Neither do the more common introverts who care about politics.)

https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/social-touch-shapes-autism-traits/

Even the slightest touch can consume Kirsten Lindsmith’s attention. When someone shakes her hand or her cat snuggles up against her, for example, it becomes hard for her to think about anything else. “I’m taken out of the moment for however long the sensation lasts,” she says. Some everyday sensations, such as getting her hands wet, can feel like torture: “I usually compare it to the visceral, repulsive feeling you’d get plunging your hand into a pile of rotting garbage,” says the 27-year-old autistic writer.

SNIP

Strong reactions to touch are remarkably widespread among people who have autism, despite the condition’s famed heterogeneity. “The touch thing is as close to universal as they come,” says Gavin Bollard, an autistic blogger who lives in Australia and writes about his and his autistic sons’ experiences. These responses are often described as a general hypersensitivity, but they are more complex than that: Sometimes autistic people crave touch; sometimes they cringe from it. For many people on the spectrum, these sensations are so intense that they take measures to shape their ‘touchscape.’ Some pile on heavy blankets at night for the extra weight; others cut off their clothing tags.

The common thread may be an altered perception of ‘affective touch,’ a sense discovered in people only a few decades ago. ‘Discriminative touch’ tells us when something impinges on our skin, with what force and where; affective touch, by contrast, conveys nuanced social and emotional information. The kinds of touch that autistic people may find loathsome, such as a soft caress, are associated with this latter system.

[sheshe2]

20. Alrighty then.

We moved from Bernie and Elizabeth being friends, which they are not to autistic children?

Okay. I really need to sleep. It is late.

[JoeOtterbein]

23. It's easy. We all need healthcare guaranteed.

Sleep well sheshe (number one with me!)

[pnwmom]

25. I was replying to your post that asked: "Is a candidate grabbing a potential Dem voter,

or any stranger, by the shoulders ever ok?"

And I said that it wouldn't be okay for many autistic people or introverts. And you can't tell who might be autistic or an introvert by looking at them.

Then you posted a picture of Warren and Sanders touching -- and they are anything but strangers, so the picture is irrelevant.

[JoeOtterbein]

21. + a googleplex!!!!

and more tears