How did Biden know the man he chewed out wasn't a Democrat? And why didn't Biden simply say

[pnwmom]

that the claim made by the man was completely false, and not a bit of evidence has ever supported it?

Because when Biden said, "No one says" that he sent his son to get the job -- that was wrong. LOTS of people in the rightwing media are saying that. And the person -- possibly a Democrat -- who asked the question wasn't necessarily lying. He might have been brainwashed by Fox or some other rightwing outlet.

What I think Biden meant was no one has ever provided a bit of evidence for a claim like that. I wish he'd said that, instead of calling the man a damned liar.

I hope his staff is helping to prepare him on this topic. He needs to do better than "no one says" and switch to something like "there is zero evidence that that is true" or "this has been debunked over and over."

I am resigned to the fact that Joe Biden fans will always defend him no matter what. But if he's going to be the nominee, I'm hoping he can get better prepared to handle the inevitable media lies.

[PubliusEnigma]

1. It's time to call the damned liars what they are. The longer we play pretend the greater the damage.

[brooklynite]

20. The man was a Warren supporter...

Separately, the man told the 77-year-old Biden that he worries the former vice president is too old for the presidency. Biden challenged the man to a pushup contest and an IQ test. The man later told reporters that he prefers Elizabeth Warren, a 70-year-old Massachusetts senator, for president.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/elections/ct-nw-joe-biden-iowa-voter-20191205-jclmqxewyrhsnhmeyuk5kcin2y-story.html

[emulatorloo]

37. What Warren supporter would say that Biden was selling access to Obama?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=370678

[pnwmom]

46. Go ahead and call the reporters who say that liars. But not the people who are duped by the RW media

And when Biden says "no one says this" he's not telling the truth either.

[Demsrule86]

63. Also, he said he was a Warren supporter and is not...so he is a liar and a plant.

[pnwmom]

64. I know two Independents who are Warren supporters. They used to support Bernie

and have switched to Warren.

So what is your evidence that he is lying about supporting her?

[Demsrule86]

81. I saw other stuff...as I told you. He is no Warren supporter.

He is a liar and a trumper.

[pnwmom]

82. But what is his name, so I can read about him, too? n/t

[Demsrule86]

88. I saw his name on some right wing rag...maybe the examiner...can't remember...could not post it here

But he is a rightie...voted for Trump I think...and I don't buy that anyone who listens to Fox supports Warren...not in a million years. He is a liar and attacked Biden's kid.

[mopinko]

2. it was something new, afaik. never heard biden sent him, nor that it had anything to do

w obama.
lordy knows what they are saying on fox, but i never heard it linked back to obama.
i think that is what set him off. this wasnt the same old shit, this was a whole other front opening up. and he is likely right that no one ever said that on msnbc. i watch it all day, and i have never heard anything like it.

[highplainsdem]

21. Like you, I hadn't heard the story framed that way, including in what I've read about what they're

saying on Fox.

The man was obviously a provacateur, there to attack Joe and get that slanderous question in the news.

Biden handled it appropriately. His anger was completely justified.

[pnwmom]

47. I've heard it often from conservative friends of Democrats I know on FB.

They are deluded, but they do exist. It's wrong to say that "no one says" these things. Lots of people do -- just not knowledgable people.

[mopinko]

72. you've heard obama dragged into it?

[pnwmom]

74. Could you be more specific? George Kent testified that he had shared his concerns

about the Bidens with the Obama administration, if that's what you're talking about.

[mopinko]

75. the guy said he set him up in the job so that he could get influence for obama.

i have never heard that, and it is a significant escalation in the bullshit.

[pnwmom]

79. Okay, he wasn't implying that Obama was behind this.

But, yes, the general idea I have often heard expressed by RWers is that the Ukrainians were "buying" Hunter to get more influence in the Obama/Biden administration-- which is the way it works in many countries in the world.

This has been the story all along, so I'm not sure why you think this is an escalation.

[mopinko]

80. yes he was. he said it was to get influence for obama.

[pnwmom]

112. He said "the president," not Obama. In context, that meant, "President Zelensky,"

which is clear from the second sentence. The claim was that they were trying to buy access for President Zelensky.

[PatrickforO]

3. Yes. This was disappointing.

I was embarrassed for Biden.

[JoeOtterbein]

30. +1 nt

[Demsrule86]

45. Really? how not surprising. You support someone else...I thought he did just fine...but go ahead

and try to pump up your candidate by tearing Biden down folks...it only makes him stronger. And please note he handled it himself didn't ask staff to do it for him.

[RelativelyJones]

103. +1

[Demsrule86]

108. Thanks.

[Siwsan]

4. Hindsight is 20/20. He's already admitted he needs to do better at keeping his cool

I'm giving him a pass. One thing we've learned from Joe, he listens to people when they give him advice. I'd be surprised if we see that, again. And you KNOW the GOP is going to be trolling him at future events.

[pnwmom]

48. Did he say that before or after he lost his cool this time? nt

[Siwsan]

59. After

I admit that I can't bring to memory another incidence that hits my bar for lost cool. But then, it's late and my brain is shutting down.

[Peacetrain]

5. What Democrat would say that Biden was selling access to Obama?

I hope his staff bought him the biggest beer and you are damn right I will defend him and am proud as hell of him

[zipplewrath]

6. I'm afraid

I worry that this is the "email controversy"of his campaign. This falsehood will dog him throughout his campaign. I worried about it with HRC and I worry about it with him. Dunno who of the current candidates is "immune" from this but it may be my determining factor.

[Iliyah]

12. Who ever the Democratic nom is

you can rely on the Republican smear machine to lie on them where the corporate media will repeat wholeheartedly.

It does not matter. VP is constantly targeted because is he the "front runner" from the right and unfortunately from the left.

[JoeOtterbein]

33. Please don't forget this is a primary. nt

[Demsrule86]

43. No candidate is immune but Biden can withstand it where the others won't.

[evertonfc]

7. proud of Biden

Who gives a shit if he was a Democrat. I love the response and hope there is more.

[BannonsLiver]

10. Yep he did great

Some want us to disarm and play nice with deplorables. Not gonna happen.

[Cha]

14. Hey..

did you mean to say he "did" great?

[BannonsLiver]

15. Yes! Editing now!

[Cha]

24. Full disclosure.. I do

things like that all the time and have to go back and edit.. what's up with that?!!

[BannonsLiver]

31. The more awful the OP the more likely I am to have typos

[Cha]

34. lol.. that's true!

[R B Garr]

65. Biden did great and it's no surprise that the typical responses

here didn’t match at all what actually happened.

I had to wait to watch the video until I got to the car, and Biden was perfectly fine. Not anything like what was being described here. I should know better by now to see and hear things for myself. This phony drama gets really old.

[itsrobert]

8. He did the right thing

Ignorant people need to be called out. If not, every dunce can watch or read something without any vetting and repeat it as fact. Nobody wants to be called a liar. But if you are going to repeat things in a public setting, prepared to be slapped down if it's just plain wrong.

[emulatorloo]

9. So the person was a Democrat who might have been brainwashed by FOX?

Interesting theory, I don’t really know many Democrats who are Sean Hannity fans.

[BannonsLiver]

13. Anything to bash Biden

Doesn’t have to make sense, apparently

[emulatorloo]

16. ...

[Cha]

38. lol.. as if we don't have enough to deal with!

[pnwmom]

52. Fox's audience may not be what you think.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/12/fox-news-audience-may-not-be-what-you-think-even-if-programming-usually-is/

According to another Pew poll released in 2017, 10 percent of Fox News’s audience identifies as liberal Democrats. That’s far less than the percentage that identifies as conservative Republicans, but again, it’s not nothing. In fact, more than half of Fox News’s audience isn’t made up of conservative Republicans (and conservative independents who lean Republican).

[Demsrule86]

86. I absolutely do not believe that...and defending Fox to bash Biden? Really?

[Cha]

11. You're damn right we will "defend Biden" bc of

the disingenuous crap that some come up with to try and drag on him.

[BannonsLiver]

18. He could pull a girl out of a burning building and there would be people here criticizing it.

“He was too forceful in saving her life1!1!”

[Cha]

26. Yeah, some would find an angle..

"..he went to a fundraiser.. protested by BS supporters.. " so it was framed as ".. Biden crossed a picket line..".. That's just one time we "Defended" him.

[pnwmom]

53. Cory Booker carried his neighbor out of a burning building.

Maybe that's where that thought came from.

[treestar]

102. LOL so true - he could have done it without

putting his hands on her! He should have called for help so he didn't touch her! How did he not know you should not move an injured person?

[The Valley Below]

115. Too much "toxic masculinity"

[Skya Rhen]

17. Democrat or not - the man is a filthy liar.

[pnwmom]

51. How do you know he isn't just misinformed, because he's trusting the wrong sources? n/t

[redstateblues]

69. Oh please. The guy is obviously not a Warren supporter

I seriously doubt that he voted for the Obama/Biden ticket

[Quackers]

19. From the video, it looked like the guy was nervous while trying to talk, at first. nt

[pnwmom]

54. He sounded nervous to me, too. nt

[JoeOtterbein]

22. CNN said the guy said he would still vote for Joe over Trump.

That's makes him a Dem supporter. For now.

[Peacetrain]

23. CNN says what??.. Farmer says he is not voting for Biden... he is a tool

He went in there to bash Biden and Obama.. He is NOT a Dem supporter of any shape. He is a registered Independent

[JoeOtterbein]

28. Yeah. I heard that on CNN. Not verified yet by Joe Otterbein. Yet.

I'll keep my eye out for it.

[pnwmom]

55. Registered independents can vote for anyone. So can R's and Fox viewers for that matter.

So why alienate them by calling them names for asking about a story they heard on Fox?

Why not just educate them about the story being a lie? Why call them a liar when maybe they had been duped?

[LongtimeAZDem]

25. This post is surprising; I thought you liked Biden

[Cha]

27. Or at least were fair.. lol!

[JoeOtterbein]

29. I'm sure you are not attacking the OP writer.

Because she is one of our best, and hardest working, posters.

Go pnwmom ! I have your back.

[Cha]

32. Yeah yeah... the OP is always attacking Joe Biden and

you "have her back".. that's just so shocking. lol

[highplainsdem]

35. Nailed it, Cha!

[Cha]

39. Thank You, highplainsdem!

[JoeOtterbein]

36. As if!

Because I'm sure you have never had Joe's back. What is wrong with that?

You know this is still a Primary Election?

[pnwmom]

56. The poster is fairer than you are, because that Joe knows

I haven't been singling Biden out for attacks.

I am resigned to Biden being our likely nominee, so I want him to be as strong as possible against Trump. Calling people names (or hyperbolically threatening to take them behind the woodshed to beat them up, as he did in the past) isn't a great approach.

[Cha]

90. omg.. you're denying it. Well that doesn't matter

because you have been with the most ridiculous attacks like this one.

[pnwmom]

92. Obviously you haven't noticed, but Sanders is hardly a favorite of mine,

and JoeOtterbein and I have tangled fairly often. And yet JO doesn't feel his candidate is being singled out for special attacks, because he knows he hasn't been.

[Cha]

93. What the Frick Ever.

[treestar]

100. haven't seen the attacks on Bernie or Liz or anyone else

[R B Garr]

57. LOL, I practically have the browbeating memorized.

Now disruptive trolls that show up for rallies are “possible Democrats”....

[treestar]

99. ...

[Demsrule86]

41. Bullshit...no one but Fox says that...never heard any of that...the guy was spouting

right wing talking points...and no matter who you support that is not acceptable. I for one think Biden did a great job but feel free to attack...it only makes him stronger.

[pnwmom]

50. That is my point. Fox DOES say that, along with others in the RW media. So it makes no sense

for Biden to insist that "no one says that." Plenty of independents and centrists do watch Fox, and they need to hear a better answer than that, because they'll know it isn't true.

Some people DO say that, and the better answer is: it's flat out WRONG. Zero evidence. It's just a deliberate smear.

[Demsrule86]

62. The guy was lying...a right winger and he showed up spouting Fox shit...I like Biden's closing r

remark too...sorry, fox is not a legitimate source and the fact that he was spouting fox lies...shows he was a magat. I am fine the way Joe handled it...and the guy said later he was on a mission...right wing site so I can't post but you can google it.

[pnwmom]

66. How do you know he's a right winger? What is the guy's name?

[gulliver]

78. No one of any honesty says that. Fox News is no one.

[Cha]

42. It's so touching you're tying to protect this idiot bc

it's more important to some to attack Joe Biden..

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=370690

[pnwmom]

49. I'm not trying to protect this guy. He's just one guy. I do hope that Biden

prepares a better answer for the future, because this question will come up again. If not during the primary, then during the election.

[phleshdef]

44. Fuck that. Biden was right to have righteous anger.

I know a lot of people think Democrats should act like total chicken shits. I'm glad Joe isn't one of those people.

[pnwmom]

58. He's mad at himself, because he knows his mistake was in having that "don't ask don't tell"

policy with Hunter.

That's not how Conflict of Interest rules work. The point is to avoid even the appearance of a possible conflict of interest, so others can't make false claims, as is being done now. Hunter should have asked his father before taking that job, and Biden then could have gotten the approval (or not) from State. Joe didn't, so he left himself wide open to this kind of accusation.

[phleshdef]

68. He has no business telling his son where to work or where not to work.

I seriously doubt he is mad at himself but that makes for a nice little pseudo-psychoanalytical fantasy on your part.

[pnwmom]

70. There were people in the Obama administration who expressed concern about Hunter's

business activities there.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/diplomat-expressed-concern-hunter-bidens-foreign-work-2015/story?id=66369013

Deputy Secretary of State George Kent told investigators that he grew so concerned about the appearance of a conflict of interest presented by Hunter Biden’s role on the board of a Ukrainian oil and gas company that he conveyed his misgivings to an aide to the then-vice president, the sources said.

Kent said in his testimony that Biden’s aide told him that the vice president didn’t have the “bandwidth” to address Hunter Biden’s professional work because his other son, Beau, was battling cancer, according to the Washington Post, which first reported Kent’s claim.

A spokesman for House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., declined to comment on the closed door testimony. A spokesman for the Biden campaign said that "on Joe Biden's watch, the U.S. made eradicating corruption a centerpiece of our policies toward Ukraine."

SNIP

[phleshdef]

71. I know. So the fuck what?

Its none of their business either. Nor is it any of yours or mine. Hunter is a grown ass man, a private citizen who can do what he wants, right or wrong.

[treestar]

101. So you are actually supporting the BS about Hunter?

Thanks for helping the Republicans with their lies.

[pnwmom]

107. No. Biden took no action that benefited Hunter. But it's too bad Biden

didn't avoid the APPEARANCE of a POSSIBLE conflict of interest with his son's work.

George Kent, who testified last week, said that he had told the Obama administration of his concern about Biden's son. He knew the appearance of a conflict there could cause a problem, even though Biden was only acting on behalf of the US.

[treestar]

110. I don't care about George Kent

and his alleged concerns. Obviously nobody did anything about it. And Biden is only responsible for his own actions.

[pnwmom]

111. According to Kent, the reason the Obama administration did nothing about it was because they felt

Biden didn't have the "bandwidth" to address the concern, since his other son was dying.

So it was out of compassion and kindness that they didn't approach Biden -- not because the concern wasn't real.

The only action Biden took that was a mistake was having the "don't ask don't tell policy" with regard to Hunter's business activities. Biden should have cleared that unusual policy with the ethics people. If he had, he wouldn't be in this position today.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/diplomat-george-kent-testifies-hunter-biden-ukraine/index.html

Washington (CNN)Career diplomat George Kent told congressional investigators earlier this week he had voiced concerns in early 2015 about former Vice President Joe Biden's son Hunter working for a Ukrainian natural gas company, the Washington Post reported Friday.

Citing three people familiar with the testimony, the newspaper reported that Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, recounted concerns during his testimony Tuesday that Hunter Biden's work could undercut American efforts to convey to Ukraine the importance of avoiding conflicts of interest.

The people told the Post when Kent raised the risk of Ukraine viewing Biden as a direct line to his father, he told investigators, the then-vice president's office responded that Biden didn't have the "bandwidth" to address Hunter's situation while his other son, Beau, battled brain cancer. Kent did not name the Biden staffer he interacted with, the people told the Post.

[bluedye33139]

60. Until today I never heard anyone claim

Biden sent his son to the Ukraine to get that job. And I have been following this story for months.

[NBachers]

61. Yeah, and Nancy bullied a poor reporter asking a legitimate question today, too! Her staff needs to

keep her from getting so shrill and emotional!

I was so embarrassed for her, and for us!

[MustLoveBeagles]

73. LOL

Well played.

[jalan48]

67. I thought Biden looked good. I'd be pissed too.

[redstateblues]

76. I like seeing Joe justifiably fiery sometimes

Were not going to win playing nice

[StarfishSaver]

77. I heard someone on MSNBC (don't remember who) ask what the reaction would have been had Hillary

responded to a hostile question this way.

I would add - or Warren or Harris or Klobuchar ...

Good question. But I think we all know the answer.

[pnwmom]

83. Yup, we know the answer. This reminds me of a comment someone made recently

saying Kamala hurt herself in the interview with Trevor Noah, the comedian, when he "had to remind her" that she's running for the Presidency, not "favorite auntie."

This Democrat couldn't see why that was a sexist comment. Can you imagine Democrats reacting that way if Noah joked with a congenial, funny Joe Biden like that? Can you imagine Democrats deciding it was a reason not to vote for Biden?

Women candidates are criticized for being too stiff, or they're criticized for being too relaxed and funny. There is very very very little room to maneuver between all the "toos" that women must avoid.

[peggysue2]

84. I don't believe for a minute the man is a Democrat

Reportedly he said he was a Warren supporter. Don't buy that either. Then he told someone he was an independent. But clearly he was spouting right-wing talking points.

I think this man is a Trumpster who deliberately tried to sabotage Biden's event and Joe called him out for what he was, a liar. Biden didn't stop the man from talking. If you notice an aide was ready to snatch his mic. Biden allowed him to go on but then gave him a what for.

Good one on Joe.

As far as saying "there is zero evidence or this has been debunked over and over?" Joe Biden has said that numerous times when asked. But this time? He chewed the guy out, pushed back and stood his ground.

Frankly, we better all be prepared to go to the ground in the upcoming election. This is just the beginning; it's going to get really ugly regardless of who our nominee is.

Btw, before this event was over the same man had a shouting match with another attendee. Cranks are coming out of the woodwork. It's our job--next year--to make sure they don't rule the world. Or at least this country.

[pnwmom]

85. There's nothing contradictory about being an Independent and supporting Warren for this election

just as there's nothing contradictory about Independents supporting Bernie.

LOTS of Independents switch sides from election to election, and don't vote straight tickets.

[peggysue2]

87. I wouldn't believe any guy who claims to be a Warren supporter and then proceeds to

spout a Fox News agenda. The man's a crank who planted himself (or perhaps it was suggested by someone else) at Biden's event to disrupt, nothing more.

We'll see plenty more of this as time goes on. And I guarantee you, Biden will not be the only target.

[Demsrule86]

89. Name right here on DU...this is the guy you are so concerned about...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287370784

[Cha]

91. Yes, protecting Merle Gorman because it's a chance to

disingenuously bash Biden.

[NJCher]

94. I don't understand the debate about whether the guy is a Democrat

What difference does it make? A Democrat can ask questions that are critical of candidates.

I work at a university and you would be surprised at some of the beliefs of fellow professors. I know these people for decades and know they have long histories of voting for Democrats. They are also heavily biased toward Catholic office-holders like Pelosi and presumably Biden, since he is Catholic. Based on conversations I've heard, these people actually think Lindsey Graham's inquiry is needed. They don't understand what Hunter Biden brought to the table. They question his credentials for making that kind of money.

This is where I think people like Bloomberg see an opening. There really is a problem with how this looks and no amount of denial is going to take that away. The worst part is that throughout the Senate impeachment trial, the republicans are going to publicize it to the max.

Somebody on Biden's team better come up with an answer for this because lying low on the issue isn't working very well.

[pnwmom]

95. I agree that Biden needs to come up with a better answer. His don't ask don't tell policy

was an important mistake, and now he's going to have to deal with the consequences.

[karynnj]

96. I completely agree with you and I hope that his staff will help him script a strong, non defensive

response that he could give. I agree that if this is repeated, it will be damaging. One reason is that the story becomes an angry confrontation about something he was said to have done wrong.

I like your suggested wordings, though I wonder if first speaking of HIS OWN actions, which were entirely based on US foreign policy/Obama administration goals, followed by explaining that Hunter Biden did not break any laws in accepting the board position. He could then repeat that his administration will develop rules against family members of administration people being on boards connected to areas they have any authority over. He could then say that no previous administration had this policy. (There actually are difficulties in defining such a rule because it would be seeking to bar adult children (and potentially other relatives) from accepting legal job opportunities. ) -- He might even argue the reason for such a rule is that he understands how foreign countries could see this as a way to curry favor of an administration, even when none is given.

It would be great if John Kerry could help him craft an answer. Temperamentally, they may be near opposites on how they respond to things like this. Where Biden is far too hot tempered, Kerry, when angry, may actually be more in control than when he isn't. Helping Biden craft a reply that answers the questions, probably staying away from mentioning Hunter, is essential.

I get that Biden responded to that as an attack on his integrity, but attacking the messenger does not answer the question sufficiently.

I also hope that Kerry can do for Biden what Kennedy did for Kerry in 2004. It is easier to have someone else praising your character, accomplishments, and ability than making the case yourself.

I also wonder if Kerry, like he did for Obama, gave Biden the generous offer of Biden chosing when and where he would endorse him. Part of the reason for thinking this is that it fits well with the big Biden foreign policy leader ad and it could help counter Bloomberg claiming some of the moderate support that has been Biden's. One reason for thinking that is it is so close to Kerry's World War Zero announcement that Kerry has been signalling since at least February. That effort is intentionally non partisan. However, Kerry himself is clearly a liberal Democrat and will support any Democrat who wins the nomination.

[treestar]

97. No Democrat would start on the Ukraine/Hunter bullshit

that is a Repub talking point.

[pnwmom]

106. But Biden didn't say "No Democrat says." He said "No one says."

And Fox's viewers do include some Democrats (many fewer than R's, but some D's do watch Fox.) And R's also appear on shows like CNN, spouting off R talking points. This is one of the R talking points, so it just isn't true to say that "no one says" this.

[treestar]

109. Nit picky about who says it

And Ds who watch Fox are watching it to see what the idiots are saying. No D watches Fox and believes all its BS or they would not be Ds.

[pnwmom]

113. It's not nit picky to say it's false that "no one says it," when one of the chief people

saying it is the guy who sold 200K copies of Clinton Cash a few years ago.

He tried to impact the 2016 election and he's trying again now. I don't think we should put our heads in the sand and pretend this story hasn't spread to half the country by now, even if knowledgable Democrats know it's been soundly debunked.

[treestar]

98. And his detractors will have a problem with every little thing

no matter what. Seems disingenuous to criticize his supporters as 'fans' who will defend anything by a person who never fails to make a critique whenever possible.

[The Valley Below]

104. The best day of the campaign so far.

A smash hit with the timely video that beat Trump's ass.

Then a very serious endorsement from Jon Kerry.

And then we got a good foreshadowing of how "Rabid Joe" will deal with Trump and lying Trumpists.

Joe has a fire in the belly and Americans will love this. It is precisely what they want from a Democratic candidate.

I'm willing to bet Joe Biden proved to a lot of people on that day that he is the one to run. And that he is the one who will win.

He will keep Trump on the defensive all season. For whatever reason. Joe Biden has almost unique sort of teflon against Trump's usual intimidation tactics. Only the Speaker has a similar immunity.

Trump can't work his stuff on Joe. And Joe will hammer Trump.

Biden is custom-made to beat Trump in my estimation.

[JustAnotherGen]

105. This election

It doesn't matter.

The way to kill ourselves is nitpick.

Age? Age doesn't matter. No GOPer would EVER question the age of any candidate. That goes for Biden, Sanders, and Warren.

They wouldn't - they lock step and goose step.


Flub? She or he was joking.

Gaffe? She or he was joking.

Charges of racisms coming from RUSSIAN operatives set to influence black Americans (listen to Joe Madison on this) - response - Okay but are we certain it is not the Russians?


I'm undecided and I don't care and I already see a lot of du'ers locking themselves into a ride or die candidate.

If we can't make excuses for the 8/9 LEGIT candidates -

We are going to lose next November.


We get a Democratic President in the white house first THEN nitpick,, SECOND guess every word, comment, part of punctuation, have grand philosophical discussions about their intent, and Monday morning armchair quarterback the Presidency.


The truth is - none of us are running or had the guts to run.

Let the brave ones do whatever it takes to win.

We need to get off of their backs.

[Autumn]

114. Trump will hit him hard on his son. He needs to do better than he did there because that

reaction isn't going to work. The media and the Republicans will have a field day with that.