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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

highplainsdem

(49,024 posts)
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:40 PM Nov 2019

Quinnipiac poll, best chance of beating Trump: Biden 46%, Warren & Sanders 10%, Buttigieg 6%,

Bloomberg 3%, all others 1% or less

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3650


Biden's electability numbers went up in their latest poll, from 42% last month.

Even the most liberal Dems, those describing themselves as "very liberal," think Biden is most electable: 34% to 20% for Warren and 18% for Sanders.

And even the youngest voters, the 18-34 year olds, think Biden is most electable: 36% to 19% for Sanders and 13% for Warren.

67% of black voters think Biden is most electable (only 5% think Sanders is, and only 2% think Warren is).

43% of white voters think Biden is most electable (12% think Warren is, and 9% think Sanders is).

46% of both men and women polled think Biden is most electable (compared to 14% of men and 7% of women for Sanders, and 12% of men and 8% of women for Warren).


This is significant, and worth a separate OP, because I think it's very likely that when voters finally cast their votes in primaries and caucuses, electability will be the most important consideration.

And none of his rivals are even close to Biden when this question is asked by pollsters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Quinnipiac poll, best chance of beating Trump: Biden 46%, Warren & Sanders 10%, Buttigieg 6%, (Original Post) highplainsdem Nov 2019 OP
So why is Bloomberg jumping in as a at140 Nov 2019 #1
Ego Aquaria Nov 2019 #8
Probably correct answer! at140 Nov 2019 #10
This is why Biden is going to be the nom. boomer_wv Nov 2019 #2
Whether Biden's your first choice or not (he's not my first, btw) this explains the obivious Julian English Nov 2019 #3
I'm closer to evertonfc Nov 2019 #4
But...but... Andrea Mitchell said Biden in a slump!! LakeArenal Nov 2019 #5
Andrea Cha Nov 2019 #15
She works too long and hard for the Republicans not Hortensis Dec 2019 #18
Another one of these silly "electable" polls thesquanderer Nov 2019 #6
It isn't a silly question. It's the single most important question IF you care about winning. highplainsdem Nov 2019 #11
Agree and Disagree thesquanderer Nov 2019 #13
I Like Elizabeth Warren On The Issues BUT Vogon_Glory Nov 2019 #7
good let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Nov 2019 #9
Interesting poll but we do not conduct a national election. TomSlick Nov 2019 #12
I'm fairly confident the "electability" question will be the deciding factor when folks are... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2019 #14
Tony Evers says a pragmatic Democrat can carry Wisconsin in 2020 Gothmog Dec 2019 #16
Agree. And these numbers sound credible, no "funny" numbers. Hortensis Dec 2019 #17
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
1. So why is Bloomberg jumping in as a
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:45 PM
Nov 2019

centrist at this late stage?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Aquaria

(1,076 posts)
8. Ego
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:39 PM
Nov 2019

That's all it ever boils down to with psychopaths.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

at140

(6,110 posts)
10. Probably correct answer!
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:48 PM
Nov 2019

But my guess is Bloomberg thinks he can beat Trump easier than Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
2. This is why Biden is going to be the nom.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:46 PM
Nov 2019

Beating Trump is the main issue in this election for Democrats, and as long as Biden is this far ahead in that he's going to win.

There are going to be voters who, right now, say they like Pete or Warren, but when it comes time to put rubber to road, they are going to end up voting for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Julian English

(434 posts)
3. Whether Biden's your first choice or not (he's not my first, btw) this explains the obivious
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:47 PM
Nov 2019

tRump is scared of Uncle Joe the most. This is why tRump and Russia going after him so hard.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
4. I'm closer to
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 08:51 PM
Nov 2019

Warren and Bernie but this is why I'm supporting Joe. Periid

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,835 posts)
5. But...but... Andrea Mitchell said Biden in a slump!!
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:09 PM
Nov 2019

So she was pushing Bloomberg!!!


🤯

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,507 posts)
15. Andrea
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 05:25 AM
Nov 2019

Mitchell has trump blood on her hands, imo. And if she had any self-awareness she would know that.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. She works too long and hard for the Republicans not
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:47 PM
Dec 2019

to be extremely aware. This goes back through the 1990s, such as when she was spreading the story that First Lady Hillary was having a lesbian affair with her pet groomer. Undoubtedly the themes for her show, and the strategies they fit into, are determined by more than just her. Limbaugh still meets with top Republican strategists to design his messages, even if his show has slid badly.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
6. Another one of these silly "electable" polls
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:11 PM
Nov 2019

The poll question doesn't tell you who is most electable (i.e. who people would vote for), rather it tells you who the people surveyed think is the most electable (i.e. who these people think OTHER people will vote for). Which in turn is somewhat based on the reports they have heard about who other people think is most electable (i.e. it is somewhat circular and self-reinforcing), or how aware they are of actual head-to-head polls. Its best value is perhaps in a study of social psychology.

The only polls that really tell you who would best beat Trump are the ones that poll head-to-head contests between a candidate and Trump, specifically in the states that would swing the electoral college. All the other variations are pretty pointless. Want to know who can beat Trump and is therefore really most electable? Look at the head-to-head polling in the battleground states. The answer might be the same, but at least its based on actual data, and not some combination of other people's reactions to that data, or their gut.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,024 posts)
11. It isn't a silly question. It's the single most important question IF you care about winning.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

And voters have every right, and every reason, to make assessments of electability, based on what they read and hear.

The people who complain about this question in polls are usually supporters of candidates who aren't faring as well when their electability is polled. Those unhappy supporters of less electable candidates often include journalists and pundits, which is why you tend to hear the often-repeated but always foolish advice to "vote with your heart and not with your head" in the primary.

If two candidates seem equally electable in a primary race, then by all means vote for the one who appeals to you most for other reasons, whatever they may be.

But if one candidate is clearly more electable than the others, voting for one of the much less electable candidates shows either wild optimism or lack of interest in winning.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
13. Agree and Disagree
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 11:22 PM
Nov 2019

re: "It's the single most important question IF you care about winning."

I agree electability may well be the single most important thing to consider. And to poll for. But polling for who people THINK is most electable (an entirely different question from who IS most electable) is dumb. Poll who they would vote for, and that actually tells you who is most electable. I don't care who these people think OTHER people will vote for.

re: "voters have every right, and every reason, to make assessments of electability, based on what they read and hear."

I agree, with that, too. I just (again) think it's a stupid thing to poll. Give us the facts, not what other people think the facts are.

re: "The people who complain about this question in polls are usually supporters of candidates who aren't faring as well when their electability is polled."

The leader in the pretty worthless "who is most electable" polls is... Biden. The leader in the actual, truly valuable head-to-head polls that tell us who really IS most electable, is, again... Biden. No difference. But one is a real measure, and one is a measure that is an amalgamation of people regurgitating those real measures and other things they have heard along with their own psychological feelings of how they think other people will feel about the canididates. Why do we care what people think OTHER people feel about the candidates, when we can just ASK those other people? The latter is what the useful polls do. And at least at the moment, the results are Biden either way, no difference there. Except in one case you're measuring Biden's actual strength, and in the other, you're doing a one-generation removed version where you're measuring, not Biden's actual strength, but people's psychological perceptions of Biden's strengths. Again, why do we need people's perceptions of something, when we can measure the thing itself?

All IMO, of course.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,127 posts)
7. I Like Elizabeth Warren On The Issues BUT
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 09:32 PM
Nov 2019

My first priority is and remains getting Individual One OUT of the White House, no matter how baffling and hair-tearing I find some of Good Old Joe’s attitudes towards some of the issues. I’ll vote for Good Old Joe in the primaries first if I think it has the best chance of making Vladimir Vladimirovich’s good buddy a one-term President.

I REALLY want Individual One GONE, and I’m not willing to risk next autumn’s election by voting for a candidate who’d lose to the Orange Entity by half a percentage point or more.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomSlick

(11,107 posts)
12. Interesting poll but we do not conduct a national election.
Tue Nov 26, 2019, 10:44 PM
Nov 2019

We conduct 50 individual state elections. The last election was lost by precious few votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. The Clinton margin of victory in California and the Trump margin in Mississippi were really irrelevant.

Conduct similar polls in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, and New Hampshire (swing states in 2016) and you will have my attention. I would be curious to see such a poll in Texas just to know if a purple Texas is a pipe dream.

I know, I know, the Electoral College is an undemocratic travesty but I am reasonably confident the 2020 election will be decided by the Electoral College.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,237 posts)
14. I'm fairly confident the "electability" question will be the deciding factor when folks are...
Wed Nov 27, 2019, 04:23 AM
Nov 2019

finally in the privacy of the voting booth.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,487 posts)
16. Tony Evers says a pragmatic Democrat can carry Wisconsin in 2020
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:34 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Agree. And these numbers sound credible, no "funny" numbers.
Fri Dec 27, 2019, 06:43 PM
Dec 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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