Bernie Sanders: Mandatory Gun Buyback Is 'Essentially Confiscation' and Unconstitutional

[LongtimeAZDem]

I'm kind of surprised this didn't get posted already:

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[George II]

1. I'm kind of surprised he said that, but remember he said guns in Vermont were different....

...from guns in Chicago.

At least today the Supreme court disagreed with his protection of gun manufacturers, they can be sued.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. No, The Supreme Court agreed the law isn't what some people have been claiming it is.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Are you suggesting the Supreme Court has a say in the matter?!

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

14. What?

[George II]

13. No, the law IS what some people claimed it is, including the Representatives and Senators....

...who voted for it.

Sanders voted AGAINST it. Why is that? Because "guns are different in Vermont than in Chicago."

[aikoaiko]

2. He's right. We didn't even confiscate machine guns when we tightened regs.

Its a fukt up policy.

[sheshe2]

4. Lol...

Yep. No clue why this hasn't been posted.



Thanks!

[Cha]

5. Fred Guttenberg on BS...

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

7. This!

Thank you Cha.

[Cha]

9. You're Welcome, she..

[George II]

15. Bazinga! Great research, thanks.

[Cha]

16. You're Welcome, George..

[dalton99a]

19. +1

[Cha]

6. Fred Guttenberg on the recent SC Decision..

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

8. This is why he won't be our party's nominee.

[Celerity]

33. Sanders will not be the nominee but this will have nothing to do with it.

Ask Beto how the inverse stance worked out.

Mandatory buybacks are electoral suicide in gun-humping 'Murica. It is like MFA in that regard (the electoral poison part.)

[NurseJackie]

34. It's just one more reason among many.

[Celerity]

35. not to be disputatious, but why would Sanders (for once) taking the correct (in terms of his actual

electoral chances) stance be

just one more reason among many

?

If Biden (or any other candidate who won our Party's nomination) took the mandatory buyback/confiscation stance, they would be opening themselves up to serious problems in the general election, IMHO. I say the same thing for MFA, as I previously stated, which does actually apply to Bernie (and Warren as well.)

[ritapria]

11. Advocacy of Gun confiscation translates into Certain Defeat across the South and West

[oldsoftie]

12. Finally Bernie is correct on something.

[TexasTowelie]

17. Bernie is wrong on this issue.

There is nothing in the Constitution that grants the rights to every American to own a semi-automatic rifle, just as there is no right for every American to own hand grenades or any other explosive device.

[dalton99a]

20. Exactly. It is pure unadulterated bullshit.

[Blue_true]

24. The founders didn't conceive of those things.

They knew about gunpowder, but they had no concept of high explosives, cannonballs of their day were nothing more than heavy projectiles that caused impulse force. They made the Constitution amendable for the exact reason that they could not predict the future and it was up to people in their era to make laws that protected and regulated society.

[TexasTowelie]

25. So we amended the Constitution to allow people to carry semi-automatic weapons then?

I don't see anything in the Constitution or the 27 amendments adopted afterwards that grants the rights to carry those weapons so I don't see how it is unconstitutional for Congress to adopt such legislation. We even had a ban on those weapons at one point in time and nobody was able to win the legal case saying the ban was unconstitutional.

[James48]

27. It's already a Condtitutional right to own firearms.

Very few places in America have banned semi-autos. The vast majority of places you can own semi-auto rifles and handguns today. Maybe 90% of the population lives where it is fully legal to own a semi-auto weapon.

[TexasTowelie]

30. Then we need to enact another federal assault weapons ban.

Four courts within the past decade have stated that the second amendment does not protect assault weapons. In fact, no federal appeals court has ever held that assault weapons are protected.

Enact the ban and let those who debate that a federal assault weapons ban is unconstitutional take it to court.

Not only do I not agree with Bernie, but the federal appellate courts don't agree with Bernie either.

[Blue_true]

39. My guess is because they made the Constitution amendable to the times, the

Founders would likely majority agree with your viewpoint.

[Blue_true]

38. I doubt that if they came back today and observed today's guns and their lethality,

that the Founders would approve of such weapons. They would modify the second amendment to fit the times, IMO.

Dueling was once legal in this country and was outlawed once the government officials of that time saw it's corrosive effect on society. Gunfights in the street were legal once, but are outlawed now, for obvious reasons.

[Blue_true]

37. No.

Since the Founders only knew of top loaded muskets, their perception of the lethality of guns was framed by that reality. Today we face almost infinitely more lethal guns, SK our laws must be amended to control them.

The socalled originalists want to treat each amendment of the Constitution as a fix decree in time, that is bullshit, the Foundrrs didn't seem to cotton to that interpretation, they were wise enough to know that times changed and laws must match the times.

[samir.g]

18. he's dead wrong

[boomer_wv]

21. You can

take someones money but not their guns?

I'm of the opinion that you shouldn't take either, but you should at least be consistent

[dalton99a]

22. +1

[Buzz cook]

23. How is mandatory confiscation constitutional?

Bernie made the claim that it isn't constitutional. I haven't seen any argument in this thread that it is.

[dalton99a]

29. The Supreme Court upheld this as constitutional:

[Buzz cook]

31. Is gold constitutionally protected?

Gold and paper money have an equal value. At the time the price of gold was $20.67. Further legislation abrogated laws that made it mandatory to repay loans in gold.

So in effect gold didn't have an actual value.

Whether we like it or not ownership of firearms is constitutionally protected. Further firearms have a utility that some people argue is greater than monetary reparations could equal.

[James48]

26. Bernie is correct.

If you MANDATE gun confiscation, you’ll start a real shooting war. You have to be realistic. The Second Amendment isn’t going to be repealed I my lifetime. Period.

Now, can you work towards reasonable safety improvements? Absolutely. A great deal of consensus exists around background checks. Around making sure bad guys don’t have access to weapons. Around reasonable regulations.

But forcing law abiding citizens to hand over all semi-auto firearms isn’t going to fly.

I’m pretty far progressive. I’m also a 10th generation bloodline American, and I own firearms. I’m a Union member in the Midwest, in the suburbs/exburbs country. 40% of my neighbors, more or less, own firearms.
Asking to mandate buybacks and prohibiting ownership would be an automatic loss at the ballot box.

I’m just saying- small steps that focus on safety are better.

[Devil Child]

28. Thank you Sen. Sanders!!!

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Mandatory gun buybacks are nothing more than confiscation.

[Prosper]

32. 60% of gun deaths are by suicide.

Mental health is the top solution to gun deaths. Whatever Americans support they won’t support confiscation. When Clinton passed the Asssult Weapon Law he lost both houses in midterms. Gore list the Presidency and didn’t win his home state. Incremental gun control laws with no mental health laws will continue gun carnage for many many years to come.

A steady rise in suicides involving firearms has pushed the rate of gun deaths in the US to its highest rate in more than 20 years, with almost 40,000 people killed in shootings in 2017, according to new figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Of those, suicide is by far the greatest killer, accounting for about 60% of all gun deaths.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/dec/13/us-gun-deaths-levels-cdc-2017

[TidalWave46]

36. He has a thing for guns. Always has. Always will.

He sometimes changes rhetoric depending on the polls but his history is clear. He mainly changed in the years before he began his losing run for the Presidency. One of the worst aspects of last time around was a great progressive candidate being labeled as a weather vane by her less than ethical opponent. Yet that less than ethical opponent isn’t even close to consistent outside of three or four sentences.