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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:11 PM Oct 2019

Do You Buy That ... Democratic Voters Want A New 2020 Candidate?



The New York Times and The Washington Post recently reported that some influential Democrats are clamoring for new candidates to enter the 2020 presidential race. Sure, there are 17 “major” candidates1 already running, but Democratic bigwigs are apparently convinced that that isn’t enough, and want someone — Hillary Clinton, or Sherrod Brown, or John Kerry, or Michael Bloomberg — to come to the rescue.

(snip)

I can’t read the minds of any of those bold-faced names, all of whom have reportedly been urged by Democratic donors to enter the race. But I think these donors are out to lunch — and out of touch: I don’t buy that Democratic voters really want another candidate. And even if the voters did, I don’t think the new candidate would find it so easy to succeed.

First, Democratic voters are extremely happy with the field as is. According to a July poll by the Pew Research Center, 65 percent of Democrats rate their field as “excellent” or “good.” That’s essentially tied with 2008 for the highest enthusiasm Pew has ever found among Democrats:

(snip)

In the end, though, I think this talk of Clinton or Bloomberg is a sign of two things: first, the media getting bored with the race and searching for a new storyline. And second, the establishment’s influence is declining as candidates like Warren and Sanders are succeeding without taking their money. Some big donors might simply want back in on the action.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/do-you-buy-that-democratic-voters-want-a-new-2020-candidate/

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Do You Buy That ... Democratic Voters Want A New 2020 Candidate? (Original Post) Uncle Joe Oct 2019 OP
No. The only candidate I could see people wanting over what we have now is Michelle Obama... Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #1
Yes, we want Jesus C. Superbatmanwoman. dchill Oct 2019 #2
No. We have a plethora of great candidates. The babylonsister Oct 2019 #3
The US corporate controlled media values controversy and conflict over substance and analysis. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #4
Yup Sherman A1 Oct 2019 #6
Exactly right. Voltaire2 Oct 2019 #9
Agree 100% SharonClark Oct 2019 #13
MSM... Ugh. zentrum Oct 2019 #5
"The establishment's influence is declining as candidates like Warren and Sanders are succeeding vsrazdem Oct 2019 #7
If EW or sanders is the nominee they will be taking PAC money. Where do you think the DNC gets Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #11
So true... why Bernie & Elizabeth are gonna crush Dolt45 in 2020!! Just watch!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #14
J Christ & Buddha... sacto95834 Oct 2019 #8
Voters are still looking for Obama. Guess what... he was a once in a lifetime president Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #10
I can see Hillary joining the race & hope she does, as it'll ensure that Bernie or Elizabeth win InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #12
What's the logic behind that happening, i.e., ensuring BS or EW would win? George II Oct 2019 #17
She is not even thinking about joining the race and she never was. StevieM Oct 2019 #18
HRC? Sure, let's add the one candidate Trump has already proven he can beat. Geez. (nt) thesquanderer Oct 2019 #15
Not in my neighborhood loyalsister Oct 2019 #16
Exactly. There's a thread on here that Harris is cutting hours for her staff, and PatrickforO Oct 2019 #20
I totally don't buy that. It is ridiculous. Our field is really strong this year. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #19
I don't care how much enthusiasm there is for certain candidates in Blue states. We have to win doc03 Oct 2019 #21
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
1. No. The only candidate I could see people wanting over what we have now is Michelle Obama...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019

...and that ain't happening.

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dchill

(38,492 posts)
2. Yes, we want Jesus C. Superbatmanwoman.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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babylonsister

(171,065 posts)
3. No. We have a plethora of great candidates. The
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:14 PM
Oct 2019

DNC might like someone they can control, but c'est la vie.

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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. The US corporate controlled media values controversy and conflict over substance and analysis.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:16 PM
Oct 2019

Thus the many stories that claim to be investigating "Dems in disarray", or other crises that are never applied to the GOP in similar situations.

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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. Yup
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:20 PM
Oct 2019

More horse race BS.

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vsrazdem

(2,177 posts)
7. "The establishment's influence is declining as candidates like Warren and Sanders are succeeding
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:23 PM
Oct 2019

without taking their money." It's about time. Sorry folks, we don't need your stinkin corporate money.

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Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
11. If EW or sanders is the nominee they will be taking PAC money. Where do you think the DNC gets
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:59 PM
Oct 2019

All their money? Don’t kid yourself, if they refused funds from the DNC that would be handing dotard 4 more years

Once we get rid of... hopefully some day, citizens united then we can talk about refusing corporate cash

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
14. So true... why Bernie & Elizabeth are gonna crush Dolt45 in 2020!! Just watch!!
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:04 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
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sacto95834

(393 posts)
8. J Christ & Buddha...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:24 PM
Oct 2019

could be in the lineup and the media would be looking for someone "more qualified" or would be a better fit for the party.

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Thekaspervote

(32,767 posts)
10. Voters are still looking for Obama. Guess what... he was a once in a lifetime president
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:55 PM
Oct 2019

All of the candidates are good people that will do well by our country and the voters. It doesn’t make them any less of a skilled leader... get over it!!

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
12. I can see Hillary joining the race & hope she does, as it'll ensure that Bernie or Elizabeth win
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:00 PM
Oct 2019

the nomination.


Bernie/Elizabeth or Elizabeth/Bernie 2020!!
Either way, they're stronger together!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
17. What's the logic behind that happening, i.e., ensuring BS or EW would win?
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:20 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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StevieM

(10,500 posts)
18. She is not even thinking about joining the race and she never was.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:41 PM
Oct 2019

The point to this story is to provide people with a vehicle with which to bash Hillary.

And I don't think a new candidate entering the race would necessarily benefit any particular candidate. I certainly don't think it would ensure it.

The only person who could really shake up the race at this point is Al Franken, and unfortunately he isn't going to join it either. We have our field of candidates.

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thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
15. HRC? Sure, let's add the one candidate Trump has already proven he can beat. Geez. (nt)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:06 PM
Oct 2019
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loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
16. Not in my neighborhood
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:08 PM
Oct 2019

Democrats I have been talking with want fewer not more candidates.

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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
20. Exactly. There's a thread on here that Harris is cutting hours for her staff, and
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:56 PM
Oct 2019

Biden is having some difficulty raising money. So the field will narrow soon. I mean, by late February there should be only a couple still standing, and after Super Tuesday, it will be pretty clear who the top candidate or top two candidates are.

I don't know why so many in the media seem to be so worried. My own belief is that after the contentious 2016 primaries, we all took a step back, and this time, people seem much more tolerant of the other candidates. Probably because Trump is such a total criminal, people are barely fighting at all. Getting Trump out is 'job one' as the old Ford commercial says.

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PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
19. I totally don't buy that. It is ridiculous. Our field is really strong this year.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 08:48 PM
Oct 2019

Biden is not my candidate, but he could beat Trump.

Bernie is not my candidate, but he could beat Trump.

Warren IS my candidate, and she can definitely beat Trump.

We can also say the same about Harris, Buttigieg (who I like a lot), and Klobuchar.

I would not support Bloomberg, and do not think Clinton wants to run at this point. You are also right about the 'easy to succeed' part. At this point the barriers to entry for any new candidate would be immense. The current candidates have all had time to build up ground games in the early states. Someone getting in now would stand little chance unless they had immense name recognition and billions to throw at their candidacy.

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doc03

(35,337 posts)
21. I don't care how much enthusiasm there is for certain candidates in Blue states. We have to win
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 09:13 PM
Oct 2019

the EC so I can see why they are concerned about the candidates we have.

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