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I was asked here today how I could possibly have Warren as my candidate selection and hate Bernie. The question was asked since their policies are similar.
My answer.
113. Well, first of all, she is my Senator.
I voted for her twice and met her once. She is brilliant, witty and an energetic speaker. While some of their policies may be similar, I also use a yardstick when considering a candidate. I measure their lists of accomplishments along with their policies.
Here is a sample and this was only through 2016.
1. In 2011, while working as an assistant for President Obama, Warren single-handedly conceived of and established the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, a watchdog agency that helps protect the little guy from Wall Streets dirty schemes. Thanks to the newly-formed agency, mortgage lenders can no longer push you into a loan you cannot afford. And these servicers now have to make a good faith effort to keep you out of foreclosure. If they dont, they face hefty civil penalties.
Its not just mortgage companies and big banks that now have to sleep with their eyes open. Credit card companies also now have to play by the rules. In 2012, the bureau ordered three American Express subsidiaries to pay out $85 million to over 250,000 customers they screwed over through illegal practices.
Warren managed to do all of this even while the GOP did everything in their power to cockblock it. And when they failed that mission, they bitched and moaned and managed to prevent her from being nominated head of the CFPB. She then used their tantrum as a pathway to run for Senate.
And she won. Easily.
3. In only three years, she has sponsored at least 36 bills, including the Equal Employment Act for All, the Schedules That Work Act, the Trade Transparency Act, and the Fed Accountability Act. She consistently fights for legislation that champions for womens rights, paid family leave, low-wage workers, fair trade and affordable education.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/9/1524727/-Elizabeth-Warren-s-List-of-Accomplishments-is-Bigger-than-Trump-s-Hanging-Chad
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287324781#post113
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Fact is, it is not just about words. Words are not what matter the most, actions do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,652 posts)explanation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,658 posts)sigh
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)I have no clue where they got that from my OP.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,373 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Thank you for posting this, sheshe2.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,534 posts)and, one hopes, if she is not the nominee, her supporters will not stay home or vote for Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)You must be thinking of another place in time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,534 posts)Data did show, posted here, that many of them voted for Trump. And, really, while Sanders never used the term "carnage" both appealed to the same crowd - how horrible life was (for some, still is).
And in a sad repeat of 1968, many chose to stay home.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
skh500
(21 posts)Writing and developing the Financial Protection Bureau was certainly a wonderful achievement by Warren!. It is just too bad that Obama wouldn't appoint Warren head of the agency. Of course, Wall street didn't want that to happen so it didn't.
Fighting and co-sponsoring legislation is good, but actually passing bills and amendments is the real accomplishment. I am hoping that Bernie can show her how to take all those wonderful ideas and push them through Congress. When he was in the house, he was known as the "Amendment King". And he definitely knows how to work across the aisle. Hopefully, below is an example of at least 5 major successes. The Senate even made him Chair of the Veterans Affairs and he eliminated the hospital waiting lists for veterans.
He has had years of experience and knows how to get the job done!!
[link:
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fact is Warren has
SPONSORED. NOT CO-SPONSERED OR ADDED AN AMENDMENT to someone elses bill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)both are too old but 70 is way better. And shes a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
skh500
(21 posts)Bernie has caucused for years with the democrats. And by caucusing with the dems he was able to prevent Cheney from interfering when Bush was in office.
He was also appointed CHAIR of the Veterans Affairs .......that is a leadership position in the democratic party. He has done more than a lot of democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....of the Veterans Affairs Committee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)How can you support Warren when you appear to be against many of the things she's for?
M4A for example. You have trashed single payer on here for years.
Likewise, taking on Wall Street. one of Warren's main issues, and one you have endlessly mocked and bashed Sanders over.
So how do you reconcile support for Warren with her support for things you are against?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)M4A for example. You have trashed single payer on here for years.
I stated not long ago that I would prefer she build on ACA which was always meant to be single payer. We did not have the votes. I would prefer to build on the foundation we have and not tear it all down and rebuild from scratch.
Link to all the times I trashed single payer...was that when I brought up VT and CA who tried to pass it and found that they did not have the money to pay for it? Was that when I trashed it, Melman? When you do NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PAY for it then it will not work.
Funny. Guess you have no clue what her baby which she built from scratch, CFPB was all about. Guess you did not read the links or the OP. Fact is Warren has already taken on Wall Street and will continue to do...while BS just rails on about it. She tackled them, kneed them in the groin and gave them a wedgie to boot...without breaking a nail.
I only have issues with people that talk the talk not ones that actually walk the walk. Warren did.
Its not just mortgage companies and big banks that now have to sleep with their eyes open. Credit card companies also now have to play by the rules. In 2012, the bureau ordered three American Express subsidiaries to pay out $85 million to over 250,000 customers they screwed over through illegal practices.
Warren managed to do all of this even while the GOP did everything in their power to cockblock it.
You said "many things". So, since you seem to be following me very closely, uncomfortably close. I have problems and a solution for one thing I have an issue with.The second blew up on ya because you were wrong and my OP supports how wrong you are.
Anything else Melman?
PS: My Senator has sass and class. She talks the talk, walks the walk and can do it dancing backwards in heels.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,614 posts)A: The ACA with a public option is more realistic than Medicare for All until we get large majorities in the legislature.
B: Centrist. Millions will die without M4A but the insurance and Pharma industries will do anything to stop it. Wealthy conservatives like you don't care as long as you've got your own.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marlakay
(11,491 posts)But I wish she would try something a bit less than medicare for all because I am afraid its her biggest problem for getting elected. I think it would be a good program but too hard to pass.
Everyone I talk to that is voting for someone else tell me they love her but afraid she wont beat Trump because of it.
The good part of that I see is that she has so many that really like her even if afraid to vote for her, now she just needs to find a way to calm their fears.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)My issue with Bernie is similar to yours. He talks a good game, but his list of accomplishments is thin. Plus he goes missing at critical times, like when Vermont needed seed funding for Single Payer in 2011.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Elizabeth Warren is a Doer!
Thanks.
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still_one
(92,394 posts)Sanders can do that as evidenced by people he has on his campaign staff
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Well not by the GOP.
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mcar
(42,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brer cat
(24,605 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)Warren isn't my top choice at the moment but she is superior to Sanders in every way I can think of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden