Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWinners and losers in the debate, winners Buttigieg, Klobuchar and Biden (mainly because Hunter was
not the main topic, but overall he was meh, and he made a big mistake by saying Syria was NEVER about regime change when Obama made it clear it was, but also a winner because Pete and Amy did a job on Warren, he should hire them, lololol)
Bernie gets a special mention for standing up for hours just weeks after a heart attack, even though he has zero chance to win.
Losers
Warren (exposed, especially as she refuse to admit taxes go up, even if cost go down for MFA, and thus looks evasive)
Gabbard (wrecker, go away)
Beto (owned by Buttigieg, was waiting for this all week after his outrageous questioning of Buttigieg's courage)
Castro (his terms limits for the SCOTUS would require a Constitutional Amendment. yet he says that is much easier than adding more justices (which would NOT require a Con Amend)
the non events
Harris (best of the rest)
Steyer (strangely silent and not proactive)
Booker (good closing statement though)
Yang (he has qualified already for November but is a niche candidate)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,566 posts)I wish the mayor would have the courage to fire some white cops
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)in a city small enough to have a laser-focus on anything that goes wrong (unlike a mega city like NYC or LA where it gets lost in the shuffle), yet big enough for crazy shit to happen) and they would get lit the fuck up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)on the social media over his uncalled for attacks.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)so its all swings and roundabouts in any event.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)So there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)Nothing to see here. Just another ambitious pol willing to do whatever it takes to win. Pretend to be idealistic and then cut em off at the knees from behind.
Actually, I have admired Pete for longer than he has been running. But he showed last night that he is as susceptible to being controlled by political managers as any one else. He and Beto both need to drop this pipe dream and go home to run for senate. If they had more concern for the country than their political profile, they would help win the senate instead of helping the republicans tear down any of our actual eventual candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)A very effective debater (we knew that), but shedding the feel good pixie dust Obama never lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)We'll see how that works.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)He was seldom mean. Pete's the angels have flown.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jan/22/hillaryclinton.uselections2008
The battle for the Democratic nomination became increasingly bitter last night as frontrunners Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama engaged in the most vicious exchanges yet seen in a televised debate.
The two traded personal attacks after a brief discussion of US economic woes. Obama said he had been working in the slums of Chicago while Clinton "was a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of WalMart". Clinton retaliated that Obama had represented a slum landlord.
Obama repeatedly claimed he had been a victim of a campaign of dishonest tactics by the Clinton campaign over the past month. The audience booed Clinton when she said Obama never gave a straight answer. Earlier Obama had gambled on a full-frontal challenge to the Democratic icon Bill Clinton, who has made a series of personal attacks on Obama on the campaign trail since December. Obama retaliated before the debate, describing the former president's behaviour as "troubling" and accusing him of distorting facts. Clinton's status as the most popular figure in the party makes any public attack risky, though less so than it would have been a few weeks ago. The former president's derogatory and often tetchy remarks have alienated and angered many senior Democrats previously loyal to him, particularly African Americans.
In an interview with ABC television, Obama said: "The former president, who I think all of us have a lot of regard for, has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling. He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts ... This has become a habit, and one of the things that we're going to have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he's making statements that are not factually accurate."
Clinton in December said Obama's lack of experience would make his presidency "a roll of the dice". A few days before the New Hampshire primary on January 8, he described Obama's early opposition to the Iraq war as a "fairytale", a derogatory remark that has caused the most offence, and at the weekend Clinton accused the Obama team of using strong-arm tactics in the Nevada primary. The deterioration in relations between the two camps follows a short-lived truce brokered last week after a damaging series of exchanges over race, including over the legacy of Martin Luther King.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)The two did indeed trade personal attacks. At, I wished he had brought some of that fire to the presidency. It was rare.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)He would have crushed Rump.
I now it is for bullshit reasons (the slagging her off), but nonetheless we ran a staggeringly unpopular candidate in Hillary. Her unpopularity post run is unprecedented
Sometimes you just (no matter how unfair it is) cannot ram down a a very unpopular candidate into the US electorate's throat. My fellow students at LSE laughed at me when I alone (out of 30 plus people) said Rump would win. That was in September 2016, before the Comey skulduggery etc.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's favorability with U.S. adults is unchanged from last November -- remaining at a record low (36%).
These results, from a Sept. 4-12 Gallup poll, confirm that Clinton's image remains in a rut nearly two years after she lost the presidential contest in 2016. Her favorable rating is down seven percentage points from where it stood on the eve of the election.
Two key trends would suggest that Clinton should become more popular, not less, after the 2016 presidential election. The first is specific to Clinton. While opinions of Clinton have varied over her long time in the public limelight, she has tended to be quite popular when she is no longer seen as a purely political figure. When her husband, former President Bill Clinton, faced impeachment in 1998, for instance, Hillary Clinton's favorable rating rose to a record high of 67%. Clinton was also generally well-liked over the course of her 2009-2013 tenure as secretary of state.
By contrast, Clinton's favorable rating fell when she sought the presidency in 2008 and 2016, particularly after allegations about her improper handling of classified emails were revealed in summer 2015.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)perhaps the opposite. In hindsight, I agree with you: trump would have made less progress in the midwest if Biden had been the candidate. The thing is, few VPs have ever been elected to what amounts to a third term. Nixon failed in 1960, Gore in 2000. Bush won in 1988, after Willie Horton, but that is the exception. At the conclusion of 8 years, people are looking for a patch of blue sky -'new and improved' - that American contradiction.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LeftInTX
(25,496 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,566 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)What about Susan Rice, Obama's NSA and also UN Ambassador?
Peter Orsag, Obama's OMB director designate, and former CBO director?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)against Hillary in that roll out.
I was a decade away from joining DU, but I would lay a massive wager that it was not all unicorns and rainbows here back then.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,560 posts)I remember him being very dismissive and condescending to Hillary. No pixie dust to be seen. That said, Obama was one of the more civil and decent candidates, but he did not walk on water.
I saw him in person in 2012 and he really was extraordinary on the campaign trail.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)You know DU better than that It was brutal. A whole group of posters left forever, the PUMAs (Party Unity My Ass). Some went on to support McCain. Sound familiar?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
It really did get ugly, didn't it? It was so bad in 2016, that I'd forgotten about 2008. I learned to spend very little time on the primaries forum during primary season.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatSeg
(47,560 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)The only candidate I've donated to is Buttigieg, but I know I need to pick one of the front-runners, and as a women I want it to be Warren, but I'm not excited. I liked Kamala tonight more than I ever have. Too bad she's polling even worse than Pete!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,475 posts)Yang (I like his future-forward messaging), and Booker (plus a dollar to Gravel based off a close friend begging me.)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I thought she handled her first time in the middle of a circular firing squad quite well honestly. She still just needs to admit that MFA will involve tax increases but the healthcare savings more than balances it out.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,787 posts)Voters have a right to know
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Rip off the band-aid. I don't really have a problem with her plan. Its not getting passed anytime soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)That's been said.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)You sure you have the right person marked as your candidate?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(43,475 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tirebiter
(2,538 posts)A lot of GPs have become specialists. Even more will under m4a. The Hospitals will be outpatient clinics. Your doctor will be whoever is available when its your turn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elias7
(4,025 posts)I think he did well if you support him, but for those undecided about him, he came off as somewhat strident and arrogant. And playing up his youth with implied jabs at older candidates came off as immaturity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden