Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum"No way this reflects real movement in public opinion -- too bumpy"
The RCP Poll tracker just graphs the simple, unweighted average of the last 5 polls or so, yielding that "bumpy" looking chart, as G. Elliot Morris colloquially described it, that over reacts to changes in a few recent polls.
The Economist's Poll tracker takes a more sophisticated approach:
We estimate support for each candidate using a statistical method called Bayesian dynamic Dirichlet regression. The model aggregates polls over the course of the campaign, putting more weight on polls conducted recently, less on those with small sample sizes and accounting for house effectsthe tendency for some polling firms to over- or underestimate support for certain candidates. We exclude polling firms that do not use rigorous methods. In the past, surveys conducted over the phone with a live interviewer or with online survey-takers that use well-thought-out methodologies have been more reliable than other methods.
Check out all the results at:
https://projects.economist.com/democratic-primaries-2020/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)The Economist's Poll tracker takes a more sophisticated approach:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)in accurately assessing changes in public opinion.
Performing a regression analysis to fit the best line thru the data points is both more accurate and presents a "smoother", more realistic interpretation of how the polling is changing over time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)hey, take it up with G. Elliot Morris.
lol
And yeah, The Economist's approach using a statistical method called Bayesian dynamic Dirichlet regression to plot he best fit line thru the polling data is much more sophisticated than RCP's averaging the last 5 polls.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)The Economist's Poll tracker takes a more sophisticated approach:
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Shall one call it CRUDE, or JAGGED, or SIMPLISTIC, or INACCURATE instead of "bumpy" when describing how RCP POLLS trendline graph looks?
Hey, take that up with G. Elliot Morris. He clearly was speaking colloquially -- i.e. informally -- when he described it as "bumpy"
Here, let me help... this is the definition of coloquially:
[colloquially]
ADVERB
in the language of ordinary or familiar conversation; informally.
"the storms hit several states along a corridor colloquially referred to as tornado alley"
So, what was the point you were trying to make? That using an informal term in describing how the RCP POLLS tracker looks was "bad"?
Ok.....
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Letting it hang out there. It's amusing.
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bluewater
(5,376 posts)You seem to want to take issue with the informal use of the term "bumpy", and ignore the fact of how crude RCP's approach actually is.
But hey, have fun.
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Thats a smoothe wave.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)I never thought I would meet someone that thought regression analysis wasn't a valid statistical tool, and more sophisticated than a simple 5 point moving average filter.
Go figure.
Hey, did you know that the RCP's simple 5 point moving average filter results in a "bumpy" looking graph compared to one constructed using a statistical method called Bayesian dynamic Dirichlet regression?
thanks for the discussion
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TidalWave46
(2,061 posts)Where have I taken issue with regression analysis. Now you are being dishonest. Smoothe.
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bluewater
(5,376 posts)and that's about it, as far as I can gather from this discussion.
But, hey, have fun.
Smoothe wave time...
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brooklynite
(94,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)so it is perhaps a bit suspect...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden