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highplainsdem

(48,993 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:22 AM Oct 2019

New Fox News WI poll has Biden doing 25 points better than HRC against Trump with RURAL voters

Amazing swing.

No wonder Biden's beating Trump by 9 points overall in the poll.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-bests-trump-by-nine-points-in-wisconsin


“Wisconsin is a tough nut for Republicans and the president has an uphill climb,” says Republican pollster Daron Shaw, who conducts the Fox News Poll with Democrat Chris Anderson. “He needs to reassure rural voters who are spooked by the tariffs while persuading suburban voters to buy into his low tax/pro-growth economic vision.”

Trump won rural voters by 27 points in 2016. They now back him over Biden by only 2 points.



Emphasis added.



Noticed this poll detail thanks to a tweet from Dem pollster Will Jordan:


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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New Fox News WI poll has Biden doing 25 points better than HRC against Trump with RURAL voters (Original Post) highplainsdem Oct 2019 OP
Without a doubt, Democratic voters would go with Biden if Hillary jumps in... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #1
They're talking about both Republican and Democratic rural voters. They're referring to GE polling, highplainsdem Oct 2019 #3
What a strange statement. BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #8
No kidding. cwydro Oct 2019 #9
No stranger than prominent DEMOCRATS suggesting Hillary should run... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #16
Hillary is not running. cwydro Oct 2019 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #21
Hillary... happily!! Who wouldn't?! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #23
This is ridiculous. StevieM Oct 2019 #20
Comey screwed Hillary over, no doubt... what could have been!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2019 #22
Thank you. cwydro Oct 2019 #24
Whoa ! empedocles Oct 2019 #2
Yeah, can you think of any other candidates that would get these results? Dream Girl Oct 2019 #4
No!! I can't Joe is the most bulletproof candidate. We cannot afford to take chances. MF45 must go Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #5
From Nate Gothmog Oct 2019 #6
Biden doesn't suffer the massive misogyny of rural conservatives. Hortensis Oct 2019 #7
Go Liz! DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #10
I keep waiting... Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #14
We must have a wider MOE than what EW has. It appears she has hit a ceiling with head to Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #26
Steady as it Goes, Joe Biden! Cha Oct 2019 #11
Biden beats Trump enought to put it out of cheating distance Lexblues Oct 2019 #12
I think Warren can win Wisconsin but it will be an uphill battle. Drunken Irishman Oct 2019 #13
trump has lost 25 points of support with rural voters as Biden leads him in the Badger State by 9% Gothmog Oct 2019 #15
This is not surprising to me. Biden connects with mid westerners. Joe941 Oct 2019 #17
Biden is the only candidate who is ahead of trump outside margin of error Gothmog Oct 2019 #18
Easy boomer_wv Oct 2019 #25
I'm all for bringing over Trump voters... however, it's a devil's bargain if it means-- dawg day Oct 2019 #29
With numbers like that, it's really obvious who the best candidate is, and that's Biden Thekaspervote Oct 2019 #27
The Y chromosome effect-- dawg day Oct 2019 #28
Can we hope that at least some of these voters got wised up Vogon_Glory Oct 2019 #30
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
1. Without a doubt, Democratic voters would go with Biden if Hillary jumps in...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:37 AM
Oct 2019

and those were the only choices. I sure would!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(48,993 posts)
3. They're talking about both Republican and Democratic rural voters. They're referring to GE polling,
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:43 AM
Oct 2019

and not the Democratic primary.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
8. What a strange statement.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 04:20 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
9. No kidding.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 04:40 PM
Oct 2019

Also illuminating.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
16. No stranger than prominent DEMOCRATS suggesting Hillary should run...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 09:18 PM
Oct 2019

even going so far as to say she's the ONLY one who can defeat Dolt 45!! Perhaps, Biden, who sposedly was the "only one," might take exception?

My point is only that, I would choose Biden over Hillary, if those were the only choices available, for several reasons, primarily his overwhelming superior qualifications as Obama's VP. Though, let me say, I would be dead-set against Hillary running for a third time in a row.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
Candidate preference:

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
19. Hillary is not running.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:28 PM
Oct 2019

Why are you so stuck on Hillary? I sense real dislike there.

Who did you vote for last time? Curious.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to cwydro (Reply #19)

 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
23. Hillary... happily!! Who wouldn't?!
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:48 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
20. This is ridiculous.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:33 PM
Oct 2019

Hillary is not talking about running, nor was there ever point in this election cycle where she was considering entering the race.

And I am not sure why you think she ran for president in the last two cycles. Obama ran unopposed in the 2012 Democratic primary.

I am very proud of Hillary for the campaign she ran in 2016. In an election where Donald Trump sought to divide us, Hillary ran on the slogan "Stronger Together." Being placed under a bogus FBI investigation would have been difficult for any candidate, and yet Hillary nearly won the election anyway. She would have won it easily had it not been for Comey, and I think she would have been a very good president.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
22. Comey screwed Hillary over, no doubt... what could have been!!
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:45 PM
Oct 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
24. Thank you.
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:49 PM
Oct 2019

This.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
4. Yeah, can you think of any other candidates that would get these results?
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 10:46 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
5. No!! I can't Joe is the most bulletproof candidate. We cannot afford to take chances. MF45 must go
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:25 AM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Biden doesn't suffer the massive misogyny of rural conservatives.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 04:06 PM
Oct 2019

Hillary's approval ratings were very high as both a U.S. senator before her 2008 run and as Secretary of State between her 2008 and 2016 runs. But she hadn't been the first or even second woman to run for senator or be SoS. As a presidential candidate gender became an enormous factor.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrFunkenstein

(8,745 posts)
10. Go Liz!
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 04:48 PM
Oct 2019

Proving again that she can beat Trump, despite barely campaigning in Wisconsin.

Trump won Wisconsin by less than one percentage point, and that was when he was relatively unknown and making promises he never kept. And that was when Clinton failed to show up a single time in the state during the last 10 weeks of the contest.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-last-10-weeks-of-2016-campaign-stops-in-one-handy-gif/

Wait until Warren gets Little Donnie on the debate stage and mops the floor with him!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
14. I keep waiting...
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 05:22 PM
Oct 2019

I hope you're right but Warren's numbers are almost identical to where Clinton was at this point in 2015 - both nationally, and now in a whole host of states the Democrats need to win to beat Trump. Warren, I think, can absolutely beat Trump but I keep waiting for her to actually show she can do so by a wider margin and, despite her numbers with Democrats improving, she's generally been consistently locked in a tight race with Trump in most major states. That is concerning, as it doesn't look like her numbers vs Trump are budging at all.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
26. We must have a wider MOE than what EW has. It appears she has hit a ceiling with head to
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:32 PM
Oct 2019

Head numbers against dotard. Just can’t take that chance

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,275 posts)
11. Steady as it Goes, Joe Biden!
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 05:07 PM
Oct 2019

Thank you!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Lexblues

(180 posts)
12. Biden beats Trump enought to put it out of cheating distance
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 05:17 PM
Oct 2019

We don't need to be up 2 or 3%. We need to beat Trump by double digits if possible.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
13. I think Warren can win Wisconsin but it will be an uphill battle.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 05:21 PM
Oct 2019

It appears her polling is more closer aligned to that of Hillary's than Obama's in 2012. That's a concern because it means this race is shaping up to be extremely close with her on the ticket. And as we saw in 2016, anything close can shift at the drop of a hat.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
15. trump has lost 25 points of support with rural voters as Biden leads him in the Badger State by 9%
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 06:47 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Joe941

(2,848 posts)
17. This is not surprising to me. Biden connects with mid westerners.
Sun Oct 6, 2019, 09:23 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
18. Biden is the only candidate who is ahead of trump outside margin of error
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 07:25 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

boomer_wv

(673 posts)
25. Easy
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:02 PM
Oct 2019

This choice is easy. If we have a candidate who can make a significant cut into Trump rural support, we are going to win going away.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
29. I'm all for bringing over Trump voters... however, it's a devil's bargain if it means--
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:58 PM
Oct 2019

we start subconsciously thinking that we need to focus on white male candidates because that's who West Virginia men will vote for.

I'll vote for Biden if he is our candidate. But I think we have to be careful not to let the Trump voters have too much influence on who WE choose as our candidate (esp as they are not making any promises here).

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,771 posts)
27. With numbers like that, it's really obvious who the best candidate is, and that's Biden
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:34 PM
Oct 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
28. The Y chromosome effect--
Mon Oct 7, 2019, 11:54 PM
Oct 2019

I'd vote for Biden, but I don't think we should be seriously swayed by the realization that rural white men vastly prefer white male candidates.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
30. Can we hope that at least some of these voters got wised up
Tue Oct 8, 2019, 06:56 AM
Oct 2019

the hard way and have FINALLY gotten it through their heads tha Orange Julius ISN’T their friend?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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