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Statement from @BernieSanders campaign and doctors who treated him ... (Original Post) Donkees Oct 2019 OP
Thanks for the update Nanjeanne Oct 2019 #1
Although I support another candidate at this time, I put this aside to wish Mr. Sanders... SWBTATTReg Oct 2019 #2
"Diagnosed with myocardial infarction" crazytown Oct 2019 #3
Not necessarily localroger Oct 2019 #6
Necessarily crazytown Oct 2019 #8
There are edge cases localroger Oct 2019 #11
If necrosis is an element of the definition, crazytown Oct 2019 #12
Stop being so pedantic localroger Oct 2019 #14
NOT necessarily (from personal experience) rog Oct 2019 #15
Welcome to club stent, fellow traveler localroger Oct 2019 #18
I'm glad we're all still kickin! rog Oct 2019 #20
Yes, without damage it's myocardial ischemia. Infarction is Hortensis Oct 2019 #21
Very good news democrank Oct 2019 #4
Any candidate can have a heart attack or other serious medical emergency. Croney Oct 2019 #5
Glad to know Bernie is back on track CountAllVotes Oct 2019 #7
... Donkees Oct 2019 #9
He looks great Politicub Oct 2019 #13
Best wishes for a speedy recovery! emulatorloo Oct 2019 #10
I'm am glad the Senator Sanders received the treatment he needed and in a timely fashion... madinmaryland Oct 2019 #16
Wonder what would cause him more stress. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #17
sanders had a heart attack Gothmog Oct 2019 #19
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Oct 2019 #22
 

SWBTATTReg

(22,144 posts)
2. Although I support another candidate at this time, I put this aside to wish Mr. Sanders...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:31 PM
Oct 2019

best wishes in his full and complete recovery!! Go Bernie!!

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
3. "Diagnosed with myocardial infarction"
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:35 PM
Oct 2019

permant cardiac injury

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localroger

(3,629 posts)
6. Not necessarily
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:41 PM
Oct 2019

It's possible to get to a blockage before it does any damage to the heart muscle. If there had been any permanent damage they would have said that he had a heart attack which was stopped by the stents. And when you're on the bench in the cath lab, they can tell whether there's any damage to the heart with great precision; it's one of the things they are very interested in. Sounds like Bernie was attentive to his symptoms and got treatment in time.

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crazytown

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8. Necessarily
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:47 PM
Oct 2019

The medical meaning of the term is crystal clear.

Myocardial infarction (MI) (ie, heart attack) is the irreversible death (necrosis) of heart muscle secondary to prolonged lack of oxygen supply (ischemia)

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/155919-overview

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localroger

(3,629 posts)
11. There are edge cases
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019

My father had one of the earliest experimental stents put in when he got sudden angina in the 1990's. At the time he had two doctors, one of whom said he hadn't had a heart attack and the other who said he had. At issue was whether a small area of heart muscle was "moving" or not on the cath lab image. In any case with the blockage cleared he was visibly much healthier after the procedure than he had been for years before.

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crazytown

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12. If necrosis is an element of the definition,
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:53 PM
Oct 2019

and it is, then my point stands, permanent cardiac injury.

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localroger

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14. Stop being so pedantic
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:01 PM
Oct 2019

They said he was admitted because he was diagnosed with a myocardial infarction. That was BEFORE he was cathed. I had my own stent put in five years ago, and my doctor was certain I had had heart damage because I almost had a stroke on the treadmill. (Unlike Bernie, I have silent ischemia -- no symptoms -- which is not a good thing.) In the lab they found no damage at all and my followup included the sentence, "we found your heart in much better condition than we expected."

So that is a thing, and as with my father he might technically have minor damage which technically qualifies as an infarction while the net result of the procedure will be an improvement in his health because it's a minor insult and the remaining tissue has a much better blood supply now.

So the thing you are insinuating, that there is a permanent reduction in his health and capability, is not at all supported by what we know so far.

I also had to stay in the hospital for my stent, not because of any real problem but because they ran out the safe limit for contrast dye while I was on the table and had to do a second procedure the next day to find the real problem.

So we don't know anything. Take it from someone who has been there personally.

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rog

(649 posts)
15. NOT necessarily (from personal experience)
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:06 PM
Oct 2019

Two years ago I had a STEMI ... myocardial infarction with ST elevation. I had 99% blockage of my LAD. Very slight symptoms ... I had a two mile run the day before and just felt 'not right', with some discomfort in my upper back. This was in July. Back to normal life after 2 days in the hospital following the stent procedure. I did the full course of rehab and ran a 2-mile fun run in January equalling my best (geezer) time. Follow up showed NO damage to my heart muscle. Most recent echocardiogram and EKG look like I have never had a heart attack. I am now in the best shape ever at 75.

BTW, I was getting that 'you'll never be 100%' BS from one of the nurses in rehab, as I was burning up their treadmill. I realize I was luckier than most. I just wanted to address your statement.

Take care.

.rog.

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localroger

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18. Welcome to club stent, fellow traveler
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:21 PM
Oct 2019

Nobody wants to join but we're all glad to be members when we consider the alternative.

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rog

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20. I'm glad we're all still kickin!
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 12:09 AM
Oct 2019

... and Bernie looked markedly better in that photo of his exit from the hospital. That was my experience, and the experience of my best friend, who had the same blockage (but - just barely - escaped having an actual MI). Looking forward to Bernie's next public appearance. Crowd response should be a lot of fun, and Bernie should be fired up.

.rog.

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Hortensis

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21. Yes, without damage it's myocardial ischemia. Infarction is
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:11 PM
Oct 2019

interruption of blood flow resulting in tissue death.

Sanders will probably take longer to get back to normal as a result, maybe rest until the debate on Oct 12, then some more rest or at least much lighter schedule for a while.

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democrank

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4. Very good news
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:37 PM
Oct 2019

Rest up, then get back up, Bernie.

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Croney

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5. Any candidate can have a heart attack or other serious medical emergency.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:40 PM
Oct 2019

He's not my candidate, but I wish him well.

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CountAllVotes

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7. Glad to know Bernie is back on track
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:43 PM
Oct 2019

Take care Senator!

We The People need the likes of YOU!

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Politicub

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13. He looks great
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:54 PM
Oct 2019

I expect we’ll see him back on the stump soon. He has been tireless in talking about his vision for America. That would be hard on anyone’s body.

Here’s to a speedy recovery.

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emulatorloo

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10. Best wishes for a speedy recovery!
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 06:51 PM
Oct 2019
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madinmaryland

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16. I'm am glad the Senator Sanders received the treatment he needed and in a timely fashion...
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:08 PM
Oct 2019

I think we can address the issues of a 78 year old man with heart conditions running for President at a later time.

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TidalWave46

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17. Wonder what would cause him more stress.
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:17 PM
Oct 2019

Resting at home or campaigning for President?

The guy is a fighter.

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Gothmog

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19. sanders had a heart attack
Fri Oct 4, 2019, 07:24 PM
Oct 2019
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Uncle Joe

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22. Kicked and recommended.
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 01:27 PM
Oct 2019

Thanks for the thread Donkees.

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