THE BIDEN PLAN TO END OUR GUN VIOLENCE EPIDEMIC (Biden website / articles / tweets praising plan)

[highplainsdem]

Before anyone objects to the all-caps subject line, I've just copied off the Biden website page about this:

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

Please see that page for full details of the plan.

And please see the replies below for tweets about the plan.



Excerpts from two articles about the plan:

Biden unveils plan for assault-style weapons ban, would not force buybacks

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/463959-biden-unveils-ban-assault-style-weapons-would-not-force-buybacks

Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday unveiled his plan to combat gun violence, which includes banning the sale of assault

style weapons and an optional buyback program.

The plan would prevent the manufacture and sale of assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines. Those with existing weapons would be required to either sell their firearms back to the government or register them with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, stopping short of a mandatory buyback program favored by some of his 2020 rivals.

The former vice president also called for the repeal of a law preventing gun manufacturers from being held liable for their products in civil cases, and urged the approval of universal background check legislation and the closing of certain loopholes.

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He released the plan ahead of his scheduled appearance on Wednesday at a gun safety forum in Nevada that will be hosted by advocacy groups Giffords and March for Our Lives.

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Biden's gun control plan would impose strict regulations on owners of assault-style rifles

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html

(CNN)Joe Biden is proposing to force owners of assault-style rifles to either sell their firearms through a voluntary buyback program or register them with the federal government under the same law that was first used to strictly control sales of machine guns in the wake of the gangland shootings of the 1920s and '30s.

The gun control plan that Biden's campaign unveiled on Wednesday also aims to tackle urban gun violence with an eight-year, $900 million program that would go toward efforts to combat shootings in 40 cities with the highest rates of gun violence.

It would eliminate legal protections that prevent gun manufacturers from being held liable for how their products are used.

And it includes a series of measures backed by nearly all of the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential primary contenders. Among them: closing loopholes in background checks before gun purchases, banning the sale of assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines, and allowing states to implement "red flag" laws.

The former vice president's package of gun proposals stops short of the high-profile plans other Democratic presidential candidates have offered, such as former Texas Rep. Beto O'Rourke's call for mandatory buybacks of assault-style rifles and New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker's proposed national gun registry.

Instead, Biden's campaign focused on measures that a "broad consensus" of Americans support, a senior Biden aide told reporters in a call previewing his proposals.

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[Sherman A1]

1. Gun Safety Policy Proposal(s) from the Andrew Yang Website

GUN SAFETY
We also have to address all instances and causes of gun violence in this country. Physical confrontations and domestic violence are more likely to be deadly when a firearm is involved. Suicide rates involving guns are far too high: over 20,000 Americans each year. Mass shootings in the United States have reached epidemic proportions.

For many Americans, guns are a big part of their culture and identity. That must be respected. However, guns are a major responsibility and thus we need to have common-sense gun safety measures, especially considering that there are already approaching 400 million firearms in the United States. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will enhance public safety. But we need to ban the most dangerous weapons that make mass shootings as deadly as they have become, and address the other violence – particularly suicide – that is plaguing this country.

PROBLEMS TO BE SOLVED

Most Americans agree that responsible gun-ownership with some restrictions is the proper policy.
Current gun laws have been pushed in a dangerous direction by lobbying groups only looking out for the profits of gun manufacturers.
Mass shootings are becoming increasingly common and deadly.

GOALS

Create a common sense licensing policy, requiring investment and safety precautions
Prevent dangerous individuals from owning guns
Ban the manufacture, sale, and transfer of weapons and accessories that make it easier for individuals to commit mass shootings
Enhance mental health resources available to people who need help
Provide deescalation training and mental health professionals to law enforcement agencies to prevent interactions from becoming deadly


Close the gun show and Charleston loopholes, requiring all gun sales and most transfers to have a background check run and completed.
Implement a purchase limit (rate, not total) on all firearms.
Implement a federal cooling-off period to decrease the incidence of suicide and impulsive crime.
Promote a stringent licensing system, with a 5-year renewal requirement, for gun ownership.
Anyone desiring a license would need to:
Go through a federal background check.
Anyone with a history of violence, domestic abuse, or violent mental illness would not be allowed to hold a license.
Interview with a federal agent, who has limited discretion on granting the license.
Pass a basic hunting or firearm safety class.
Provide a receipt for an appropriately-sized gun locker, or trigger locks (tax deductible).
Individual states will determine their concealed carry/open carry laws, and reciprocity will not be federally enforced.
Create a clear definition of “assault weapon”, and prevent their manufacture and sale.
Prohibit the manufacture and sale of bump stocks, suppressors, incendiary/exploding ammunition, and grenade launcher attachments, and other accessories that alter functionality in a way that increases their firing rate or impact.
Automatically confiscate any weapon that has been modified in a way as to increase its ammunition capacity, firing rate, or impact.
Create an agency tasked with monitoring gun manufacturing developments and addressing “design-arounds” as they arise.
Renew a ban on Large Capacity Ammo Feeding Devices (LCAFDs) and after-market non-standard large capacity magazines.
Pass a federal gun transportation law that will require people to transport guns unloaded and locked in a storage safe.
Increase liability for individuals who sell guns illegally that are used to commit a crime.
Form a commission to study the development of 3D printing technology to see ways we can minimize the risk of this technology in perpetuating gun violence.
Maintain current restrictions on and definitions of automatic weaponry.
Stridently enforce importation restrictions on weapons and accessories.
Create federal safety guidelines for gun manufacture and distribution, similar to federal car safety requirements, with strict penalties for the violation of these guidelines.
Use tax incentives to encourage gun manufacturers to implement designs that prevent interchanging parts that alter the functionality of the firearm.
Repeal laws that shield gun manufacturers from liability.
Invest in personalized gun technology that makes it difficult or impossible for someone other than a gun’s owner to fire it, and ensure that they’re for sale on the marketplace.
Provide a tax credit for the full value of upgrading a gun to use these systems, or work through the buyback program to allow “trades” of non-personalized guns to personalized ones.
Implement a federal buyback program for anyone who wants to voluntarily give up their firearm.
As stated here, invest in a more robust mental health infrastructure. This will help to identify and treat people with mental health illnesses that make them prone to suicide.
Increase funding to the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, and drastically increase funding to the US Department of Veterans Affairs Suicide Prevention efforts.
Direct the CDC to research gun violence, and reject any budget deal that includes the Dickey Amendment.
Require all locations where guns are sold to display information on how to receive mental health treatment or reach suicide crisis hotlines.
Initiate and fund mindfulness programs in schools and correctional facilities, which have been demonstrated to reduce violent behavior.
Invest heavily in law enforcement training to de-escalate situations involving firearms, and provide funding to programs that involve mental health professionals in de-escalation situations.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/gun-safety/

[Cha]

7. Why don't you post Yang's Gun safety

in your own OP? Why here in highplainsdem's Biden thread?

[aikoaiko]

10. thanks for posting the comparison in this thread.

[Sherman A1]

18. My pleasure

This has been his stated opinion and policy proposal for the many months I have followed his campaign.

[DownriverDem]

16. Question

Can he win the nomination? Focus on who can win.

[Sherman A1]

17. I can ask the same question?

Can your preference win the nomination. Let's focus on ideas and let the choice of who wins the nomination up to the voters?

[Politicub]

20. I like Yang but this wall of text reads like a stream of consciousness.

His brainstorm stands in stark contrast to Biden’s proposals which are succinct and backed up by how he would go about enacting change.

[Sherman A1]

22. I disagree with your assessment

I find the Yang proposed policies very comprehensive, well thought out and dovetail into each other supporting the goal of increased gun safety.

Yes, they may seem complicated, but it is a complicated issue and a 10 second sound bite isn't going to cut it.

[highplainsdem]

2. Tweets from Fred Guttenberg, thanking Biden:

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Thank you @JoeBiden for this comprehensive and thoughtful plan on ending gun violence. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to have some input. Looking forward to hearing you discuss this plan with the other candidates. This plan will save lives!!!

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My favorite part of this plan by @JoeBiden is putting the repeal of PLCAA first. If you want to solve the gun violence epidemic, hold those accountable for starting it responsible for business decisions that ensure an ongoing and escalating threat.

[Cha]

13. Wow.. that's an excellent tweet & thoughts from

Fred Guttenberg! That could stand alone in an OP!

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Thank you!

[highplainsdem]

3. Nicholas Kristof tweet praising Biden's plan as "excellent...ambitious but plausible":

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There's been much discussion of gun policy in the Democratic debates, but it has been more heat than light. Today @JoeBiden released an excellent 11-page evidence-based gun policy clearly based on talking to public health experts. Ambitious but plausible.

[Cha]

6. Thank you!

[highplainsdem]

4. Tweet from Biden aide about current hunting law protecting game birds more than humans are protected

From Biden policy director Stef Feldman:

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Fact I learned from @JoeBiden: Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun.

That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children.

It’s wrong.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

That paragraph from the plan:

Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.

Link to that law:

https://www.fws.gov/le/hunter-responsibility.html

[Cha]

5. Thank you, Joe Biden.. he's serious!

Mahalo, highplains

[Hoyt]

8. Kudos. Takes guts.

[Thekaspervote]

9. Thx for posting.... Joe is indeed serious about reigning in gun violence

[hack89]

11. Better check registration compliance rates in CT and NY before getting too excited

if blue states will ignore registration laws then there is not much hope for the rest of the country.

I would have no problem registering my rifles.

[Tennessee Tuxedo]

23. That is a total non starter

I do not know of anyone in my family who would. I am union from a union family and taking or registering people's guns and stripping them.of their private health insurance is going over like a lead balloon.

I do not think many Democrats know how bad they are killing themselves with the moderate Democrats and independents right now. Remember we have to win the electoral College, popular vote will not get us the White House back.

[Turin_C3PO]

35. Moderate Democrats

will vote for the nominee. I know several and not one would consider sitting out this election or voting for Trump because of minor policy disagreements. Give them more credit than that, they’re not stupid.

[NYMinute]

12. K&R nt

[aikoaiko]

15. To his credit, Joe knows the forced buyback confiscation scheme is effed-up.

Sorry, not sorry, Beto.

[Politicub]

19. Everything sounds doable and would make a big difference

Using existing law will help his administration to take action quickly while legislation makes its way through Congress.

[Cha]

21. I'm not a Biden guy but this is by far the best, most comprehensive plan to combat gun violence that

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

36. If we stand together we can, and will, end our gun violence epidemic.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

37. Thank you, Goth-Joe!

[oasis]

24. I like what I see. Hopefully Joe can expand on it in the next debate. nt

[James48]

25. It's a non-starter.

You can pass background checks. There is broad support for that.

You can ask for support for “red flag laws”. But in the end, that will have to be a state level decision.

But you will never pass “banning the sale of assault-style rifles and high-capacity magazines” completely. Waaay too much support exists in every state for gun owners to keep their AR-15’s (I’m a Union member, a veteran, a Democrat, and an AR-15 owner). We’ve had “assault weapons bans” before, and there wasn’t a great deal of support to keep it last time.

I’m pretty dog gone progressive, but I’d never sign on to that. Sorry, but it’s a non-starter. I have no problem registering. I have no problem with safety classes. I have no problem sitting for a Psyc exam.

But don’t take away my AR, and there is little point in banning mags- there are already literally millions of mags in circulation already.

You may be able to regulate the age at which such weapons are legal. Say, age 30. But you will lose broad support across America if you try to get an outright ban.And, in reality, a 30-06 deer rifle is more powerful, longer range, and more destructive than an AR-15 is. The vast majority of gun deaths are caused by handguns, not AR-15s.

That was done once before, and resulted in a significant shift to the right of the electorate voting for the 2000 and 2004 candidates. A new ban would be just as bad. It would drive middle voters to the right and harm progressive causes for years.

[Gothmog]

27. We need to ban the sale of new assault weapons

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[Gothmog]

26. Gabby Giffords-I'll never forget the compassion that @JoeBiden showed me after I was shot

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[James48]

28. Giffords wasn't shot with an assault weapon.

She was shot with a 9mm from a Glock.

Banning assault weapon sales won’t prevent handgun shootings - it is handguns that are involved in the vast majority of gun crimes in the USA.

[Gothmog]

32. Gabbards shooter was usine extended magazines

The shooter had extended magazines https://nexttribe.com/gabby-giffords-memorial/

Out of nowhere that innocent Saturday in front of the Safeway came 22-year-old Jared Loughner, a paranoid schizophrenic who had a semiautomatic handgun with an extended magazine and had secretly written notes swearing to assassinate Giffords. He pointed his gun at Gabby’s head—and fired. Then, one by one, he shot as many others standing there as he could. Six were dead, including Christina Taylor-Green, 9, who had come to see Giffords in action, and Gabe Zimmerman, Gabby’s 30-year-old director of community outreach, an idealistic young man who had just gotten engaged. Thirteen others were injured.

[Gothmog]

33. Do Extended Magazines Facilitate Mass Shootings?

Again, Gabbard was shot with a gun that had an extended magazine https://www.npr.org/2019/06/04/729413913/do-extended-magazines-facilitate-mass-shootings

One reason may have been the suspect's gear.
Authorities recovered a .45-caliber handgun with multiple extended magazines that were emptied, Cervera said at a weekend news conference. "The suspect was reloading extended magazines in that handgun, firing at victims throughout the building and at our officers."
An extended magazine is essentially a metal sleeve that holds more bullets than a gun's normal capacity.
"It allows someone to shoot more rounds before they're forced to reload the gun," says former ATF special agent David Chipman, who is now a senior policy adviser for the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
The center is named for former congresswoman Gabby Giffords, who was nearly killed in 2011 by a gunman using a pistol equipped with a 33-round magazine.

[Cha]

30. KICK!

[Gothmog]

31. Extreme risk laws save lives. Period.

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[Gothmog]

34. Our children should not have to worry about their safety at school.

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