Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden's top 2020 Democratic rivals avoid rush to defend him
Democratic presidential candidates are united in condemning President Donald Trump for seeking a foreign countrys help to trash a domestic political rival. But when it comes to defending the presidents target, former Vice President Joe Biden, its more complicated.
Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren suggested shed consider barring her vice presidents children from serving on the boards of foreign companies, the very kind of business arrangement Trump has used in unfounded attacks accusing Biden and his son Hunter of corruption.
When asked whether Trumps attacks reflect on Bidens campaign or his character, California Sen. Kamala Harris said, Ill leave that up to the pundits. I dont have a comment on that. And Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who in 2016 defended Hillary Clinton against attacks over her use of a private email server as secretary of state, sidestepped a question about whether the Biden controversy makes him a weaker candidate.
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For his part, Biden isnt changing his campaign script. From the beginning, hes centered his candidacy on the idea that Trump is a uniquely existential threat to the nations identity a contention that has grown in the wake of this weeks revelations. Weve never seen his likes before holding public office, Biden told donors Thursday at a fundraiser outside Los Angeles, where he read portions of the whistleblower report made public earlier in the day. This isnt about me, Biden said. Its a tactic thats used by this president to try to hijack an election, so we do not focus on the issues that matter in our lives.
https://www.apnews.com/68f19fffdbdf4638ab94117b83f5c8f1
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)week. I thought someone said Mayor Pete did as well.
No love from his peers in the top three, though (Bernie and Warren). They're probably eager to throw him under the bus. The lower tier candidates may see an opportunity to get some VP point. Or they may just be doing the right thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indykatie
(3,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ritapria
(1,812 posts)Bernie has been very gentle on Joe ..
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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BlueMississippi
(776 posts)EW actually made it worse by her proclamation that she would prohibit her VP's children from serving on foreign boards which is ridiculous. It makes it Obama's fault that Hunter served on the board of a foreign company because he was not prohibited by Obama!!
I didn't expect BS to defend any Democrat - so no shock there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,632 posts)That just plays right into the Republican's hands.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wiley
(2,921 posts)Even Castro defended him! Warren used to be a Republican. She still harbors a serious grudge against Biden and Obama. Bullock, Booker, Beto, Buttigieg all get it. Is we don't support Biden publicly we will pay dearly. We can't let an attack on one candidate go unchallenged. Warren's comments about her VP's children is beyond offensive. It's the same exact Republican talking point that Fox is trying to use against Biden. She should know better. Ambition sucks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)of adulation and stronger polls, which may have caused her to forget that Biden is still widely respected and even loved among democrats. It is not a good look that she did not immediately
defend him against Trumps attack. Bidens quite numerous supporters are bound to wonder at her neglecting to mention him in her condemnation of Trump, and then this?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)Fighting corruption has been the centerpiece of her campaign from the start. How, why or whether it was good optics for Hunter Biden to get a cushy gig in Ukraine is not a hill she should or would ever fight on as President, so of course she is keeping her distance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)NT.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)So there's a grain of salt for starters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)For anyone who still uses "the Ukraine" and is curious as to why it's no longer appropriate practice, it was "the Ukraine" when it was dominated by the Russian Empire and came to be the Ukrainian part of the and Soviet Union. Since its independence, "Ukraine" is the appropriate nomenclature.
Though most make the mistake innocently, it's obviously a pretty sensitive subject given the current state of affairs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)Incisive new take on Hunter Biden just posted at The Atlantic btw.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)criminal or unethical acts and (not or) (2) link them to his father. I honestly think the guy is kind of a shitbag. That has nothing to do with me supporting or not supporting Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)But you're right. Probably an innocent mistake.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(297,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)not violate anything.. in spite of innuendoes and attempts to smear them.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=294467
Link to tweet
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Tom Steyer backs rival Joe Biden around impeachment inquiry, says he 'should be left out of this'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=294531
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293997
**BREAKING ** Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything'
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287293616
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....the corruption that was being investigated over there took place between 2010-2012, two years before Hunter Biden got his "cushy gig".
Whose side are you on?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)Warrens statement that she might not want her VPs child to serve on the board of a foreign company is cited as proof that she isnt rushing to defend Biden. She thinks Trump should be impeached because of what he tried to do to Biden. Not good enough? She needs to say her White House would take the same approach to this particular question or shes not defending Biden? You think you have an issue here...thats funny. See Andrew Yangs answer below on how his White House would function. Are you going to ask what side hes on, too?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wiley
(2,921 posts)Cheap. Tacky. Aggressive. Stupid. Disgusting. Never expected to hear the same words coming out of a Democratic candidate's mouth as came out of Trump's mouth many times. She's making it impossible for people to vote for her while helping the GOP.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/26/democrats-rally-around-biden-after-trump-attacks-1515407
Are Yang, Warren and Bennet failing some kind of purity test because they support impeaching Trump for blackmailing Ukraine to get dirt on Biden but, when asked, say they would prefer not to have the children of their VP serve on the board of a foreign company?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)Kamala against trump's racist attacks.
This is serious, too.. trump attempted extortion against a foreign country for leverage against his political opponent.. it could happen to them, too..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)questioned about character and candidacy. As to Warren and Sanders, I am not surprised. They are
both singularly focused on their own political fates and their bold, new, big ideas. Sanders, through
surrogates, has worked to undermine Biden from before he announced.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)control the lives of other adults. What about her own children? The President's children?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,632 posts)I didn't expect that from her.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)That's what happens when the press gets you in their sights and starts hitting you with questions and putting on the pressure. That's fine, and it's part of testing a candidate. She's not seen that kind of pressure yet, and the one time that she was under fire her answer was to take that stupid geneology test.
I don't understand why people think she is going to keep cruising when the attention on her become markedly less glowing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)I like that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,839 posts)I've been saying this all along: an attack on one is an attack on all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)reasons Dems should stand together not try to smear with innuendoes.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=294717
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)This is about trump and his dirty game.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)to bite them.
I'm a little surprised.. it's hard to wrap my head around.. they should know this is about trump and his extortion.. Not. A. Damn. Thing. To. Do. With. Biden. Or. Hunter.
It's about Democracy as opposed to trump "taking over the United States".
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dem4Life1102
(3,974 posts)above politics and personal gain
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,372 posts)Kamala Harris has defended Joe Biden WRT Ukraine and Trump.
This article is just trying to stir up sh!t.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Seems like a whole lot of shit stirring going on lately.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
delisen
(6,044 posts)I am opposed to the family members of our elected officials doing this. I do not care if they are Democrats or Republicans.
It is what is done in corrupt countries and the world knows it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)oxygen ...rumps scandal, not Joe Biden's.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)great if all Dems would remember that.
Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
boomer_wv
(673 posts)In what world does either Warren of Yang believe that they as President have any authority of power to dictate what job a private citizen can take? Parents, even the Vice President of the United States, don't get final say in the choices that their adult children make.
There is nothing that Obama or Joe Biden could have done to prevent Hunter Biden from sitting on that board. Also, they didn't need to prevent it because neither of them ever acted with the interests of either Hunter or his company ahead of the interests of the United States. As a matter of fact, the choice to pressure Ukraine to fire that prosecutor led to better prosecutor actually taking on the investigation.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,372 posts)brother, and his relationship with Libya?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)against trump.. Isn't really helping themselves.. it could very well come back to bite them.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)They would love to see him knocked down
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)how many innuendoes some are alluding to.
I give trump no quarter.. Dems would do well not to help trump in his quest to make this about a Joe Biden/Hunter scandal thinking it will help them. Hint.. it won't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)I have a real problem with Democrats who help feed the RW smear grinder. We have watched whole families of our leaders be not discredited on the merits, but smeared based by lies and innuendo with tepid defense from our side and being all too willing to help knife them. This is not how you stand up to the right. You don't help them destroy your leaders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,532 posts)Thank you!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)leader, current or former.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden