Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forum'Way too extreme': Some Democrats warn against moving left
Associated PressThe crowd was overwhelmingly white and male, and few had college degrees. Left unsaid, at least from the podium, were broader concerns about a national Democratic Party many believe no longer represents them.
Democrats are becoming way too extreme, Shaun Majors, a 42-year-old high school graduate who has worked at the nearby Beaver Valley Power Station for almost his entire adult life, said before last weeks event began. I voted for Trump last time, and I would again.
A few days earlier, tens of thousands of Democrats crowded into a Manhattan park, cheering Elizabeth Warrens calls for Medicare for All, a crackdown on gun violence and the end of the fossil fuel industry. The crowd was ethnically diverse, heavily female and highly educated people like 41-year-old Kelly Hafermann of Brooklyn, who has a masters degree and works at an Ivy League university not far away.
I want the bold ideas, Hafermann said, praising the leftward shift of her partys politics. I want to be around people who feel the same way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IronLionZion
(45,514 posts)Trump didn't even pretend to moderate on any issues and chose to go for the most extreme positions on everything. No real moderate would vote for Trump ever again. Anyone who would switch, already has.
It's a waste to try to flip Trump voters. We should invest in encouraging high turnout from our side.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pwb
(11,287 posts).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,130 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ret5hd
(20,511 posts)we are in danger of losing the high school graduates that voted for trump once and are willing to do it again.
Man...we are SO screwed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brutus smith
(685 posts)Hasn't been that way for a long time. They just want the pay and benefits and would shaft their fellow workers in a heartbeat.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
elleng
(131,073 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)He's just parroting some stupid shit he heard in line at the Steak N' Shake.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
blm
(113,083 posts)the party closer to Trump who WASNT too far right for this guy to vote for.
I think there are far more votes to be tapped from an excited, energized base that includes millions of newly engaged activists and younger voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)That's the thing. They're parroting what they're being spoon fed on a daily basis via FOX News.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
CincyDem
(6,385 posts)Kelly is likely prepared. Shaun is likely not. Her world view is likely learning and interacting with large numbers of people who are different from her. His world view is likely focused on doing the same things as yesterday and interacting with a small group of people who are very similar to him.
We need to figure out how to not leave these people behind and, at the same time, their fear of an inevitable future is debilitating. Not sure how it's all going to work.
Also - the quote "way to extreme" is not from Some Dem...it's from a committed MAGA voter so it feels like the head line is off base.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)Candidates will not move the party to the left without demonizing the center-left progressives and that destroys the Democratic party while the far left loses on getting anything done.
The residue of purists is a small yet vocal minority and they should be kept at bay in order for us to win. In a perfect world, people like BS would not get much media coverage and would be vetted thoroughly to show how unworkable most of his ideas are.
America likes its market economy and the "seize banks", "seize utilities", "seize insurance companies", "confiscate wealth" type of ideas won't fly here - ever.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueWI
(1,736 posts)Moderate Democrats have had a poor record in the GE since 2000. It really depends on the candidate.
And it comes down to delivering good policy that solves problems. The quality of the campaign, candidate, and vision matters most. And on this forum, these considerations get discussed the least.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)I'm way too extreme? A Trump supporter thinks Democrats are too extreme.
I really don't care what Shaun Majors or any other Trump Humper thinks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
pwb
(11,287 posts).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)think I'm far left enough.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ninga
(8,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Democrats are becoming way too extreme, Shaun Majors, a 42-year-old high school graduate who has worked at the nearby Beaver Valley Power Station for almost his entire adult life, said before last weeks event began. I voted for Trump last time, and I would again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bucolic_frolic
(43,257 posts)They don't know left from right, extreme from leaning. I think maybe the quoted guy is a closet Republican who THINKS he's a Dem, or says so because it's a legacy identity. I get it, folks like this are not socially liberal, they're the same meat 'n potatoes of the 1950s. They don't want change.
I talked with a northern-raised women who worked for a few years in the deep south. I said, "They're very conservative down there." She paused, and finally said they keep it quiet, you have to know them a long while before they let you into their private lives. They're married, but have girlfriends, boyfriends, affairs, and trans people. But all behind closed doors. To look at them, you'd never know it. Don't know if that's true, but that's how it was described to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,163 posts)"I get it, folks like this are not socially liberal, they're the same meat 'n potatoes of the 1950s. They don't want change."
this describes a *LOT* of my family. 'Things were fine in the 1950's', 'change sucks'.. *AND* 'I'm a Democrat'.
One thing that nauseates them is the quote about how when you are privileged, equality feels like oppression, which seems to be almost a given with most progressives I know. Simple fact: almost no one is going to vote for a system that disadvantages them, period. The phrase, or the implication (We're going to)'take 'X' away from you, be it guns, union health plans, private property rights (being able to build on one's land, burn trash, hunt) and the like are toxic to them. On the other hand they really have no problems with POC, LGBTQ, healthcare for all or, to some degree, environmentalism.
I kind of get it; most (non genuinely racist) folks are cool with that which pulls other people *UP* (such as, in my case, to my admittedly privileged position), but anything that removes advantages they've had all their life will be fought to the death. Sometimes the semantics of the situation are hard to nail down. Like the toxic phrase 'white privilege'; which if properly explained actually means that POC are treated in a disadvantaged and illegal way, not that whites are treated above the law; both accurate and counter productive.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We can't count on people like him and should have no remorse about admitting that.
It is interesting that they are protesting a power plant closing. Trump promised them that would not happen. People like Shaun are buggy-whip aficianators that are scared stiff about that new-danged thing called a horseless carriage.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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treestar
(82,383 posts)They cant force anyone to stay in business by striking. Striking is only effective if they need the workers. That high school didnt teach him the basics of the free market too well.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)All they are going to accomplish is it closes sooner.
It is interesting that he will again vote for the man that sold him the lie that such power plants would undergo a revival under his watch. When will Shaun and people like him figure out that they have been conned?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)voted for Trump last time and would again is NOT a Democrat.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I'm so over it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)Trump Impeached 2019
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)support, by the rw media advertised left - than helpful of general electorate support. Elections are won in the middle of the field.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)I had an aunt, now deceased, who voted for every Democratic candidate since FDR, including twice for Adlai Stevenson. But Barack Obama was too much for her. She told me, "I don't know what it is, and it's not because he's black, but I just don't trust Obama." Her last vote was for the very white McCain & Palin. The reason why no one can successfully argue with Trump supporters is because their support is based on their hidden or unrealized racism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bettie
(16,120 posts)don't want Democrats to be, well, Democrats.
Shocking.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided