Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumWhat did you think of Beto O'Rourke's idea of confiscating AK-47s and AR-15s?
I admired his passion. I think he may have touched a nerve with the voting public?
But, many people are uncomfortable with the word "confiscate". I think the questioner may have set him up with that terminology. It was the wrong word to use, in my opinion.
However, the fact remains. We need to get AK-47s and AR-15s off our streets and out of the hands of dangerous people. They are weapons of war.
We need to ban the sale of these types of weapons, I would agree. If anyone is caught carrying one in the public square, they should lose that weapon immediately. There might be a process for them to get it back but it should be very difficult. This would be a prime instance where the government would likely offer a "buyback", in my opinion.
I was impressed with Beto.
(moved from GD)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)Wounds From Military-Style Rifles? A Ghastly Thing to See
Trauma surgeons tell what it is really like to try to repair such devastating injuries. Bones are exploded, soft tissue is absolutely destroyed, one said.
By Gina Kolata and C. J. Chivers
March 4, 2018
Left, an X-ray of a leg showing a bullet wound delivered by an assault rifle used in combat. Right, an X-ray of a leg that sustained a bullet wound from a low-energy bullet, inflicted by a weapon like a handgun in Philadelphia. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)
Perhaps no one knows the devastating wounds inflicted by assault-style rifles better than the trauma surgeons who struggle to repair them. The doctors say they are haunted by their experiences confronting injuries so dire they struggle to find words to describe them.
At a high school in Parkland, Fla., 17 people were recently killed with just such a weapon a semiautomatic AR-15. It was legal there for Nikolas Cruz, 19, the suspect in the shooting, to buy a civilian version of the militarys standard rifle, while he would have had to be 21 to buy a less powerful and accurate handgun.
Many factors determine the severity of a wound, including a bullets mass, velocity and composition, and where it strikes. The AR-15, like the M4 and M16 rifles issued to American soldiers, shoots lightweight, high-speed bullets that can cause grievous bone and soft tissue wounds, in part by turning sideways, or yawing, when they hit a person. Surgeons say the weapons produce the same sort of horrific injuries seen on battlefields.
Civilian owners of military-style weapons can also buy soft-nosed or hollow-point ammunition, often used for hunting, that lacks a full metal jacket and can expand and fragment on impact. Such bullets, which can cause wider wound channels, are proscribed in most military use.
A radiologist at the hospital that treated victims of the Parkland attack wrote in The Atlantic about a surgeon there who opened a young victim in the operating room and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit.
What follows are the recollections of five trauma surgeons. Three of them served in the military, and they emphasized that their opinions are their own and do not represent those of the armed forces. One has treated civilian victims of such weapons in American cities. And a pediatric surgeon treated victims of a Texas church shooting last year.
An X-ray of a rifle bullet wound to an arm. (Dr. Jeremy W. Cannon)
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bdamomma
(63,883 posts)should view these and what happens when defenseless people are disseminated by weapons used for war only.
No doctor can fix that. No other country has the amount of guns we do.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)first responders see - ALL OF IT - pools of blood, splattered brains, open body wounds with internal organs hanging out, heads blown off and human tissue and body fragments running down the walls and dripping from the ceilings.
MAKE THEM LOOK AT THE PHOTOS.
Then ask them which one of THEIR loved ones they'd be willing to sacrifice to gun violence while they keep sucking up to the NRA and allowing weapons of war (and don't forget those extra-round magazines) to be available to any civilian who can buy them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hack89
(39,171 posts)Any rifle - not just military style - will cause horrific wounds. Civilian hunting ammo is the absolute worse because it is designed to expand. There is a reason issuing civilian ammunition to soldiers is a war crime under the Geneva Convention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,602 posts)The message that "semi-automatic weapons are bad and we're going to take them away" is an easy sell to gun control advocates but allows the advocates to get tarred as "anti 2A" or "anti gun".
The correct approach would be to START with: "You have a right to own a gun. You will be able to keep your pistol; you will be able to keep your rifle. BUT semi-automatic weapons are only good for violence against innocent people and we're going to take them away"
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Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and the damage done. It kind of nullifies gunners junk that people dont like the looks of assault style rifles.
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Celerity
(43,419 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)They did something like this with gold coins many years ago, and it was done by Presidential executive order. Maybe a law against hoarding ARs combined with limits on ammunition would be a good first step. Start calling folks with a lot of guns what they are: Hoarders.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102
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Moostache
(9,895 posts)You may "keep and bear arms"...in the 17th and 18th century the right to bear arms was hereditary in England and kept in the nobility, away from the commoners and 'riff-raff'...a concept the founders wanted no part of in America. The weapons of the day were single shot muskets and pistols....so, I propose a simple solution...
Bullets will cost $5,000 per round (after your complimentary one round to approximate the intention of the Constitution in 1787 for all those strict 'conservatives') and purchase of ammunition will be controlled as much or more than licensing a vehicle for use. There will be training, tests, and most importantly - liability insurance. If you want to own a gun, fine...but there will be MASSIVE restrictions that make it prohibitively expensive and make civil AND criminal liability exhaustively expensive as well. If you fail to control your gun, and it is used in the commission of a crime, YOU are as liable as the perpetrator for civil damages and criminal charges...your gun, your right, your responsibility.
I don't really want anyone's gun...but I do want background checks, magazine capacity limits, and loopholes closed, and then I want the bullets. No bullets? No mass deaths and they can keep their precious guns...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hack89
(39,171 posts)Arms includes ammo. Settled law.
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greymattermom
(5,754 posts)they all have to be insured. It should be the same for guns.
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Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)Millions are out there:.
"As of 2012, there are an estimated 2.53.7 million rifles from just the AR-15 family of rifles in civilian use in the United States; the total number of assault weapons in the United States among all types is not known, and can not be known because of the different definitions in different jurisdictions."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon.
Voluntary buybacks will fail, as the most dangerous, paranoid owners will keep them.
Confiscation will only partly be effective and most likely lead to violence and a thriving
black market with criminals making fortunes. Think Prohibition.
We need to change our culture; that will take time and only be partly successful. We live
amidst a huge gun cult. It grew around us and now we are paying the price in deaths
and destruction with little recourse in the short term.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,842 posts)'Approved' meaning certified secure for facilities and procedures. People could go to the range to shoot them and get that tingle up their legs or whatever it does for them but they can't carry them off the range.
And anyone who can't afford secure range storage probably shouldn't have bought the thing in the first place.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)every nation has a couple of things that they are just nuts about.
For us, guns is one of those things.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)Remember the majority of American do not own guns.
It has only been in the last fifty years that guns have been the center of a cult in this country.
Understand that the tradition of gun ownership in rural areas goes back through our history.
This "passion for the 2n Amendment" has only been fostered during my life time.
It is driven by the gun manufactures who grew the NRA into an wedge issue for
the Republican Party. These gun owners were successfully weaponized with propaganda
to believe that their right to own guns supersedes our rights to be safe.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)nevertheless guns have been part of our history. From our citizen militias that "defeated the greatest military power in the world to win our independence...twice" to our "taming the West via guns" to the carnage of the Civil War...guns have been a central part of our mythos and identity.
I'm by no means defending it, but it's there and no I don't think it's just the last 50 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)But I am old enough to have watch the culture around guns change from guns being a tool
to being a fetish. It is not by accident as I said above something has changed and it
is important to understand how these people became, not by accident, gun cultists.
As a child in the fifties, I lived in a remote rural area. My father owned a gun; my uncle
owned a gun; every family we knew owned a gun. It was no big deal. Hunting was normative
and protection might be needed from wild life. When we moved to the city, my dad left his
gun behind. It did not serve us in the city.
Now guns are a statement of personal power. The bigger the gun the more power is attributed
to the owner; the more guns that are owned, the more power is attributed to the owner.
Gun ownership has become not an accidental cult, but an intentional one. It is important
to understand this shifting dynamic if we want to unravel this crisis.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but remember Tommy Guns and the glamour of the big mafia/crimelord guys of the 20s and 30s?
Fetishing guns goes back farther than you might think.
Of course, the guns we have today are amazing killing machines by comparison.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)Hollywood in the twentieth century majorly contributed to the "glamour of guns."
From the western genre to mafia movie, guns played a major role in making a man
a man.
We have come a long torturous way from a well-ordered militia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Movies have glamorized a lot of things that are bad for us from guns to smoking.
Of course, they also inspire and move us in positive ways too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)I watched westerns as a kid and even had toy guns.
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Celerity
(43,419 posts)three factors: the proliferation of firearms since the earliest days of the nation, the connection between personal ownership of weapons and the country's revolutionary and frontier history, and the cultural mythology regarding the gun in the frontier and in modern life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_culture_in_the_United_States#History
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Big Blue Marble
(5,093 posts)But the current gun cult that threatens everyone of us was fanned by
political and commercial interests.
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Celerity
(43,419 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)somehow.
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bdamomma
(63,883 posts)is not an answer, if you have issues talk to someone, don't blow away people who have not done one thing to you. Oh, you loose your job, and that warrants a person to kill others??? or to drive somewhere to blow away people because the color of their skin??? WTF.
Are people that insecure or fear someone else based on their colour or being different from others, can you imagine not having diversity in the US, no culture whatsoever. Diversity is what makes us great, tell that to tRumps cult. Rant over.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)off each other in open warfare. To me, the US is a quite sick society ... and worse under tRump. I hope that 2020 will get us back to a better society. There seems to be an awful lot of blood lust in this country ... maybe some acting out of desperation or whatever. I often wonder when I leave the house if I will ever be coming back or murdered someplace. What a way to live. It's really getting creepy. I've been working out front in the yard a lot ... and I often wonder if someone will do a drive-by shooting for the sport of it all. I live in a relatively safe neighborhood, but weird shit sometimes happens.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
J_William_Ryan
(1,755 posts)cant be more laws, more bans, more regulations, and more government overreach, thats not who we are as Democrats such measures will not have the desired effect, and will only contribute to us losing elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
essadaw
(185 posts)Here is a twitter response from Beto's campaign when Meghan attacked him on this
How a gun buyback would work As you may have heard, @MeghanMcCain had some things to say about Beto's mandatory buy back program today, and a lot of her criticisms were based on popular misconceptions about buybacks that deserve to be addressed. (1/6)
How would a buyback even work? This doesn't sound rational
We would not be the first. Australia & New Zealand both did buybacks. Lots of U.S. cities also hold voluntary buyback programs
Australia saw a 42% decline in its homicide rate in the 7 years after its buyback (2/6)
'Theres no official definition for an assault weapon so the government will overreach with an assault weapons ban' & buy back'
Beto's program will apply to all AK & AR-type guns - weapons specifically designed to kill as many people as efficiently as possible (3/6)
How can the government buy back a gun it didn't sell? How much would you pay people?'
An independent commission would determine compensation, using market value as a benchmark. This is what Australia did. It would be paid for by a tax on gun manufacturers (4/6)
What happens if someone refuses to voluntarily turn in their weapon of war? Couldn't that lead to violence?
No. If you dont voluntarily turn in your weapon of war, you will be fined. (5/6)
Bad guys aren't going to turn their guns in
Like New Zealand and Australia, Betos program would create a window of amnesty, allowing individuals to turn in their weapons anonymously, without compensation, no questions asked. (6/6)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Australia and New Zealand had nothing like the sheer numbers of weapons in circulation, nor did they have anything like the entrenched gun culture of the United States.
Some interesting reading here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6187769/
Voluntary municipal buybacks are where one goes to get a $100 gift card in exchange for granddad's rusty old .38 Special. Nobody is bringing in high-quality modern weapons.
This is either ignorance or obfuscation. AK and AR are only two of dozens of designs of semi-auto rifle with various combinations of modular and ergonomic features. To ban those two only would be absolutely futile. To ban all of them would require either an exhaustive list, needing frequent updating, or would have to rely on lists of features and capabilities, leading back to the old "define an assault weapon" conundrum. Unless, of course, the plan is to ban all semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines, but that's going to be an extremely hard sell to the American gun-owning public -- hence the obfuscation.
No. If you dont voluntarily turn in your weapon of war, you will be fined.
Say what? How are going to confiscate that weapon and collect that fine without some form of state-sanctioned violence?
Like New Zealand and Australia, Betos program would create a window of amnesty, allowing individuals to turn in their weapons anonymously, without compensation, no questions asked.
Again, huh? What would prompt "prohibited persons" to turn in their weapons without compensation? They have already demonstrated a willingness to flout the law by possessing the weapon in the first place. Sudden attack of conscience?
This all smacks of back-pedaling to cover a rash and divisive statement. Bad, bad idea.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
kentuck
(111,104 posts)Knowing there are women and children that are terrified by them. They don't know that you're one of the "good guys". It is taking every other freedom away from honest citizens just so they can say they are exercising their right to bear arms. When people cannot walk down the street without fear, there is no freedom. When people see one of these guns in public, they should understand that you are up to no good.
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dalton99a
(81,526 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)He said these guys suffered from "virility compensation syndrome."
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customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)he has no chance of being a US Senator from Texas.
Also, it becomes trying for other Democratic presidential candidates: "Senator So-and-So, a lot of praise was heaped on Representative O'Rourke for his dealing with the situation in El Paso. Do you support his proposal on mandatory buybacks of certain weapons?"
About the only way to dance away from it is to say, "I can understand Beto's passion on this issue, clearly, a mass shooting affected him in a way that few other candidates can fully empathize with, but I don't necessarily share his approach for something that needs bipartisan support to pass through Congress."
It looked like a desperation move for him, and while it might fatten his campaign coffers for a while, it brings him no closer to the nomination, in my opinion.
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Vinca
(50,279 posts)That said, it's got as much a chance of passing as I have of striking gold while digging in the flower bed.
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broiles
(1,368 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrToast
(6,414 posts)I think a ban would go a long way. Most of these mass shootings are by people who recently acquired the weapons.
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LincolnRossiter
(560 posts)And it's never going to happen. So why promise it?
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Hekate
(90,714 posts)...has embarked on a national career as an anti-gun crusader. He knows he's not getting the nomination (or so I assume) but is seizing the moment to hammer his ideas home.
Battlefield weapons have no business in civilian society. Period.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
42bambi
(1,753 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)His distinction that they are weapons of war is intellectually weak. Almost every major design in guns was designed to increase rate of fire in battle including bolt action rifles, revolvers, pistols, pump-action shotguns, and magazine-fed rifles. If he wants to confiscate all "weapons of war" then he's coming for all guns -- even flint-locks.
It is an even more extreme reaction than how we handled machine guns which only required NFA registration and it worked to eliminate homicides with legal machine guns.
I'm personally offended that he thinks I'm a danger if I own one.
It may cost of the 2020 election or subsequent house/senate seats for years to come just as Bill Clinton described after the 1994 AWB.
I'm not impressed with his stance at all and will fight this policy any way I can except for not voting for Democrats.
When people focus on ARs and AKs, I remind them that the larges school mass shooting was at VATech with just two handguns. Even if you snapped your inevitable fingertips and all the ARs and AKs disappeared, it would do nothing to reduce the number of mass shootings.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)I have an AR in the gun safe. I love shooting it, but dont get to often enough. No way I'd support being required to give it up.
But...incentives work. If the buyback price was the right price, I'd sell, and I bet lots of others would too. But, gun enthusiasts usually buy a new gun when they sell a gun. It probably wouldnt reduce the number of guns, only reduce ARs.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,426 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
onetexan
(13,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)It's bold.
The NRA has been very successful in setting the terms of the debate and getting getting gun control advocates to play defense.
They push so hard that it's like to even talk about guns you have to spend half the time placating gun people. Like, "oh no we don't really want to..."
So I like the idea of playing offense and just saying..Yeah. fuck you. We are going to take it
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Some vocal few claim a need. And the NRA, and Russian money, can but enough politicians to block the will of the silent majority.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GumboYaYa
(5,942 posts)stop staking out positions that are political suicide for our party to get attention.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
andym
(5,444 posts)It may cost votes, but it's worth it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Doreen
(11,686 posts)I would say optional buy back but if you choose not to sell your assult weapon and it is found ANYWHERE off of your property you will be heavily fined possibly jailed and then have it taken permanently without pay. Those who rent living quarters out will have the choice to say yes or no to allowing assult weapons on the property by their tenants.
I see the assult weapon people being given a choice there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
doc03
(35,349 posts)Trumpsters picked up on. There are people Republican and Democrat that vote on that one issue. That will be used to paint ALL Democrats as gun grabbers.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DrFunkenstein
(8,745 posts)I hope that it serves to bring more people behind Beto on this one.
Just imagine if someone you knew was killed by the military weapons. Hell yes, confiscate them. Stop pussyfooting around the NRA. Their time has come.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
hack89
(39,171 posts)He is trying hard to gain traction but this comes across as pandering.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
defacto7
(13,485 posts)but it was bad timing and sorely mis-applied. In my heart I'm all for it but this wasn't the way to do it. Just because most of us wanted to hear it doesn't make it useful or workable.
He got attention but he didn't help his campagn or the Democratic party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)repealing the 2nd would be the best.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)If you talk about confiscation, people will panic and the weapons won't be banned at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Its clear hes tired of the stupid doublespeak dance about magazines and just making purchase of a gun harder. I am, too.
Many of us want AR-15s, AK47s, and other firearms like them purged from society. That is what it will take to reduce (I want to say solve) the problem of mass shootings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Killed off the one real thing his candidacy was bringing to the table.. Creating a battleground, and possible flip of Texas 38 electoral votes.
Even if Abrams is tapped as VP it made Georgia harder to turn into battleground and flip.
Is going to be totally used as misleading theyre out to take your guns fodder throughout the Mid-west/critical rust belt states come general election time no matter who our candidate is now.
His calls for legislation and background checks? GREAT
His attacks on Trumps ties to the El Paso shooting? SPOT ON
Wanting to restrict or even eliminate sales of these kinds of weapons? Workable, still would be used but with lessor effect.
The second he crossed over into Yes, were going to take.. Energized their base, and will reduce the numbers that might have been willing to support in key swing states.
Totally fine with a law like that passing, but given the craziness of this country when it comes to taking guns, it was a stupid one to campaign on.
And, even though Biden is my choice now, up until Beto made this turn in the last week, I was 100% for Beto.
Heck, this was one of my posts on him just last week.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=252785
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Winning elections requires a pragmatic reading of the political room and adjusting accordingly.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Although I do freely admit that I am fearful, bordering on outright terror at the very thought of sitting up late into the night of November 3rd/early morning of November 4th of 2020... watching election results being counted and having a repeat of that horrendously crappy feeling I had watching it 2016. Especially if not only Cheetolini gets a 2nd term, but if the Senate hits that 50/50 point and we realize that McConnell gets to stay majority leader because of Pence.. Yeah, you are 100% right that I do have fear.
That said, other than it being an influencer in my decision to focus solely on who has the best chance to make that scenario NOT happen, the reasoning is based in logic.
Gotta win. Our candidates need to stop the crapstorm attacks on each other, and run on issues that will resonate positively with the swing state voters that will get us to 270.
Promises like the MFA or enhanced ACA, or Yes we will take your AK needs to be converted to I will sign any legislation that Congress passes that will move us forward in resolving the abysmal and predatory healthcare system we have now and I will sign any legislation that Congress passes that will move us forward in preventing this spree of mass shootings slaughtering our men, women, and children across this great nation.
At the end of the day, thats what they would do. Congress writes the bills that make policy, the POTUS just signs off, or Vetos.
In Wisconsin and Michigan talk to the Dairy industry that is suffering from Cheetos tarriffs. State how they will restore our foreign policies to relieve them of their suffering. This will translate to critical win votes. Make the campaign speeches to help Pennsylvania shipping and iron industries being harmed by Trump tariffs. In Florida, make speeches on restoring international relations and foreign policy to alleviate the drop in tourism there, which is a primary and suffering industry under Trump.
TARGET THE CHEETO! Identify in each key swing state those hes hurt the most, and WIN them over. Do so with promises that are actually within the power of the Presidency to effect, not ones that will require a congress.. especially one were not likely to have. Whomever does the best job in attacking the Cheeto and winning the most votes in those states to win the election... throw in behind that one!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bev54
(10,053 posts)People are fed up and want something done and would agree to getting these guns off the streets. If the politicians are paying attention to the chants at most town halls with dems and repubs they will hear the chant of DO SOMETHING. I wish all the dem politicians would take this position and I do think they will get more votes. Nobody with a brain cell thinks these guns should be owned by anybody but the military.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
gulliver
(13,186 posts)The ban would make these types of guns unprofitable for the gun industry. That, in turn, would take away the incentive for the gun industry and its lobbying wing, the NRA, to mess with people's heads. Without those commercial interests driving the assault weapon paranoid fad, the assault weapons would start to be seen by their owners as unnecessary, boring, and problematic possessions.
The input flow to the AR-15/AK-47 pool would dry up. The voluntary buybacks would be there to absorb and destroy the remaining guns as they shake loose, either because their owners tire of them, age out of using them, or die and leave them to kids who don't want them.
You couldn't get these guns easily anymore, and that should impact the rampages.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
k2qb3
(374 posts)I don't think we want to see what happens if we cancel it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
liskddksil
(2,753 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)There were no AK 47s in the 18th century. I hate the fact that we cannot send our kids to school or go shopping or even drive a car without worrying that some crazy person will decide to "suicide by cop"---and take a bunch of people with him
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dalton99a
(81,526 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Straw Man
(6,625 posts)Your argument would restrict freedom speech to manual printing presses and the town crier.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)handguns.
The next step would be mandatory buy back of handguns. I know it can't be said, but it would be necessary if you want to make a significant dent in the amount of deaths every year due to handguns.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Iggo
(47,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Like we are not in it just for the (NRA) money. We are in it because we care. That is why the other candidates were being all kumbya with Beto.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Polybius
(15,437 posts)I'm going to watch the debate tonight, I have been working late all week.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)I am convinced this for Beto this is no longer about the great Bull Moose in Heat Fight that is the Democratic Primary (metaphor from the great Hunter S Thompson).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)It may get him a few points in primaries but he super motivated the opposition. Whoever wins will have to deal with that. And all for nothing too because he's never going to be able to take those guns away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
waterwatcher123
(144 posts)Instead of confiscation, maybe the easiest option is to simply make it illegal to own these weapons. Make it illegal to advertise, trade or sell these weapons on-line, at retail stores, gun clubs or gun auctions, and estate and garage sales (anywhere). Then you could give collectors a chance to dispose of them properly at a designated repository. These guns can then be melted down and turned into something useful for society or the people who live with the scars of gun violence.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Last edited Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:03 PM - Edit history (1)
No word play will change the reality.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Seeking Serenity
(2,840 posts)"Buy back" something they didn't sell in the first place?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided