VOX re last night Winners: Inslee, Bernie and Democrats! Losers: Biden, Oil/Gas and Meat

[Hassin Bin Sober]

Also listed as winners: The Audience , The Sunrise Movement, and CNN.

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/5/20850009/cnn-climate-town-hall-2020-presidential-democrats-winners-and-losers

6 winners and 3 losers from CNN’s climate town hall

Winner: Bernie Sanders

At the forum, Sanders benefited from following Biden, who was as rambling and unfocused as he has been this whole campaign season. By contrast, Sanders was sharp and on-message, with easy command over the details of his plan. And the more intimate setting allowed Sanders moments of quiet reflection and — especially in response to a question about fossil fuel workers — real emotion.

“I’ve spent my entire life fighting for workers,” he said. “Let me be clear: The coal miners in this country, the men and women who work on the oil rigs, they are not my enemy. My enemy is climate change.”

Loser: Joe Biden

Joe Biden’s big moment at the CNN town hall was not one he was hoping for: He was called out for planning to attend a Thursday campaign fundraiser co-hosted by Andrew Goldman, who helped found the natural gas company Western LNG.

Although Goldman isn’t technically a fossil fuel executive and isn’t part of day-to-day operations at the company, Biden said he’d consider pulling out of the fundraiser if there was more of a link between the two. But even a whiff of coziness between Biden and someone with ties to a fossil fuel company won’t make climate activists happy. (Immediately after the debate, Sunrise called on Biden to cancel the fundraiser.)

[qazplm135]

1. Bacon

still a winner.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

2. Yes! Still as hot as ever!

[qazplm135]

3. Wrong Bacon

but I'll allow it.

[LongtimeAZDem]

4. Joe Biden was in Change with Barack Obama,

who was in Square Roots: The Story of SpongeBob SquarePants with Alec Baldwin, who was in She's Having a Baby with Kevin Bacon

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. .

[Voltaire2]

6. Disqualifying.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

13. Now that you mention it, yes.

[George II]

26. Why is that disqualifying for Sanders?

[Autumn]

7. Speaking of meat. Carls beyond beef burger is amazing and HUGE. The impossible

whopper from Burger King is overcooked and dry but it's just the RIGHT SIZE. Just a public service announcement.

[BannonsLiver]

17. Reads more like shilling for Carl's and BL than a public service announcement.

[Autumn]

18. Shilling is in the eye of the beholder. You either get it or you don't

[Otto Lidenbrock]

8. Vox has a premeditated agenda vs Biden as Salon did to Hillary

Nothing they can do or say will work for these publications. The goalposts shift, at best you see a reluctant thumbs up.

Biden was the only one who had the receipts of actually doing something in the distant past regarding climate change before it was universally accepted as a crucial issue.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. Sounds like one of them "anti media conspiracy theories" we don't like around these parts, eh?

I mean the Sanders campaign complaining about WAPO was an affront to the Free Press and damn near fascism.

[Otto Lidenbrock]

11. It's my observation. The Biden campaign hasn't complained.

That's the difference.

Biden staffers aren't enabling pile ons on individual reporters either.

And for the record I defended Bernie from a WaPo piece aimed at his wife's college presidency on here last week as a mountain made from a molehill.

[LanternWaste]

12. This is troubling for Bernie.

Disqualifying.







(You guys turned me onto the alleged 'concern' thing. It's fun! Thanks!)

[Otto Lidenbrock]

15. I'll never forget Salon publishing "the liberal case for donald trump"

Those so called progressives hated Hillary so much they thought Trump who was campaigning on - banning Muslims, building a wall, calling Mexicans rapists, insulting a Gold Star family because of their religion, accused of sexual assault by multiple women, ran fraud businesses - was more likely to turn left if he got in than Hillary.

Morons.

[melman]

24. "alleged concern thing''

I get it. We cling to our narratives even when they are unsupported by evidence...because it comforts us...blah blah etc.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

25. Nicely done.

[Autumn]

19. What did he do regarding climate change in this distant past? Did it work?

[Otto Lidenbrock]

21. Politifact: Was Joe Biden a climate change pioneer in Congress? History says yes

The Delaware senator’s first climate change bill, introduced in 1986, died in the Senate. But the following year a version of Biden’s legislation survived as an amendment to a State Department funding bill. President Ronald Reagan went on to sign it into law.

The upshot of Biden’s Global Climate Protection Act was to call on the president to set up a task force to plan how to mitigate global warming.

Biden spoke about the bill on the Senate floor in January 1987 in terms that seem uncannily familiar to present-day warnings. He discussed, among other ills, the threat to human habitat resulting from melting polar ice caps and rising sea levels.

"Life on this planet exists only under highly specialized circumstances," Biden said during a Senate session. "Indeed, so special are these circumstances that even a small rise in temperature could disrupt the entire complicated environment that has nurtured life as we know it."

The measure also called on the president to make climate change a higher priority item on the U.S.-Soviet agenda.

"President Reagan told Secretary General Gorbachev ‘that if we had an invasion from Mars, both sides would put aside our differences.’ While not an exterrestrial threat, global warming could prove no less dangerous," Biden said.

Biden’s amendment became law when Reagan signed the Foreign Relations Authorization Act on Dec. 12, 1987.

"I think Biden’s 1986 bill was the first introduced in Congress on this issue," said Sean Hecht, an environmental law professor at UCLA. "He gets credit for that."

While other legislation predates Biden’s bill, they addressed climate generally and didn’t cite global warming mitigation as a specific goal, wrote Roel Hammerschlag, an associate scientist at the Stockholm Environment Institute, in a 2007 law review article.

At the same time, it’s important not to overstate the impact of Biden’s bill, said Josh Howe, a professor of history and environmental studies at Reed College.

"It's significant insofar as Biden has been more or less on top of the issue since the mid '80s. But let's not stretch the intent of the bill and suggest that this was a comprehensive plan for reducing emissions or adapting to the consequences of climatic change," he said. "It was a plan to make a plan. Which, of course, neither Reagan nor Bush ultimately did."

Some historians argue that climate change and greenhouse gases were the motivation behind a provision of the Clean Air Act of 1963, according to John Reilly, an MIT professor and climate change expert.

Even if you take the view that the Clean Air Act, or Gore’s non-binding resolution, should be classified as climate change bills, Biden didn’t claim to propose the first climate change bill — rather, he claimed he was one of the first.

Paul Bledsoe, a former Clinton White House climate staff member who is now a strategic advisor at the Progressive Policy Institute, told us Biden deserves his due.

"Without question, Biden was among the earliest supporters of climate change action in Congress," Bledsoe said. "His 1987 bill was focused on forcing the Reagan Administration to establish a wide-ranging White House Task Force on Climate Change, a critical action that in fact was not taken until the Clinton Administration, so it was both prescient and influential on long-term policy."

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/08/joe-biden/was-joe-biden-climate-change-pioneer-congress-hist/

[Autumn]

23. "It was a plan to make a plan. Which, of course, neither Reagan nor Bush ultimately did."

Okay. I give him his due on that.

[Thekaspervote]

9. Sierra Club backs Biden. Sierra is the gold standard for all environmental orgs. founded 1892

Published in The Atlantic magazine. Link unavailable as the site was currently undergoing web maintenance

[vsrazdem]

14. Interesting, because they say they back the Green New Deal.

https://www.sierraclub.org/trade/green-new-deal

[Thekaspervote]

16. I will post a link when The Atlantic magazine site is back up

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In a statement, Sierra Club political director Khalid Pitts said that Biden “has helped lead the fight to protect our communities and families from toxic pollution, so we can be sure that any public debate he is a part of is guaranteed to include a robust and thorough discussion of climate action and clean-energy issues."

More at the link: which discusses others as well. Khalid Pitts the Sierra Club director does not talk about the other candidates.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/how-green-is-joe-biden/452970/

[Autumn]

20. That certainly is strange.

[melman]

22. If you're referring to the Morning Consult poll

That doesn't mean they "back" Biden.

[George II]

27. Even before Biden's segment was over Anderson Cooper pointed out that Goldman....

...has nothing to do with Western LNG. But of course, that has to be thrown in here anyway.

And who is "Sunrise Movement" to be telling candidates what they should or shouldn't do?

Then there's this:

...even a whiff of coziness between Biden and someone with ties to a fossil fuel company won’t make climate activists happy.

What exactly WILL make climate activists happy? They seem to have a problem with everyone and anyone.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. Lol @ "nothing to do with"

lead·er·ship
/ˈlēdərˌSHip/
noun
the action of leading a group of people or an organization.


From the “about us” page on Western LNG

[George II]

30. Lol.

[George II]

33. Have you clicked that big black + in the yellow square?

[stonecutter357]

29. good let's go Joe !

[jalan48]

31. It was great to see so many questions about climate change and the fossil fuel industry.

I'm glad to see young people included in the discussion as well.

[Baclava]

32. Heard on twitter: "Oh gross, Joe's eyeball just exploded!"

Talk about timing, same moment...

Joe Biden@JoeBiden

We can't turn a blind eye to the way in which environmental burdens are distributed unevenly...

[Uncle Joe]

34. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.

[PDittie]

35. I actually thought the biggest loser was

the DNC, for everything they have done to try to prevent last night from happening.

I thought about not posting this, but some things need to be said. Moreover, some realities must be acknowledged. As Al Gore said: " an inconvenient truth".