When Did Joe Biden Start Believing He Had Opposed the Iraq War?

[JoeOtterbein]

[link:https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/09/joe-biden-iraq-vote-what-now.html|

And how could he have been surprised that authorizing the use of military force meant Bush would use military force?

By BEN MATHIS-LILLEY


On the heels of getting caught inventing an anecdote about a service member in Afghanistan, in an attempt to make the point that the United States needs to bring its troops back home, Joe Biden has now made some interesting claims about his role in sending troops away from home in the first place. This is from NPR:

[Biden] explained that his rationale in authorizing the use of military force in Iraq in 2002 was based on a commitment he had received from then-President George W. Bush that he would not go to war in Iraq. “[Bush] looked me in the eye in the Oval Office. He said he needed the vote to be able to get inspectors into Iraq to determine whether or not Saddam Hussein was engaged in dealing with a nuclear program,” said Biden. “He got them in and before you know it, we had ‘shock and awe.’ ” …

“Immediately, that moment it started, I came out against the war at that moment,” Biden told NPR.

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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Just stop it.

[Rstrstx]

3. Agreed

[NurseJackie]

28. Thank you.

[LongtimeAZDem]

29. +∞

[Hekate]

6. Tell us how you really feel; don't hold yourself back...

Chin Music

[revmclaren]

10. Hey Hekate...

I just posted the online author analyzing software in a new post. here is the link -

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212439167

Please pass the word and share the link. Seems a lot more trolls are appearing these days. Tis the season I guess.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[betsuni]

8. Hillary said in her previous dealings with Bush he had been honest with her, it was the most

difficult decision on a vote she ever made. That her and Biden's votes are seen as proof Democrats want war is just as stupid as the years of claims from anti-Democratic trolls that President Obama's hobby was murdering innocent people with drones and would start WWIII any minute now.

[onetexan]

24. Joe, Hillary and any other Dems & decent Repubs who initially voted for the war was lied to big time

remember the WMD's who to this day remain MIA?

So do not try to pin this on Biden.

[LongtimeAZDem]

30. +∞

[emmaverybo]

4. Stop already.

[NurseJackie]

31. The undecided voters are afraid their candidate isn't going to be the nominee.

That's why we see all these efforts to kneecap Biden.

[emmaverybo]

34. Yep. I don't like it when it's Bernie and babies either. That reminds me...

[Hekate]

5. Just about the time he leaned across and practically throttled some smarmy NeoCon sent by Dubya

...to bullshit the Senate about said war.

Said Joe, with such acid it is still etched in my brain: "My nephew is there."

Sorry if I don't have every detail ready to reel out to you, and sorry if you look it up and it turns out he said it was his niece or his uncle. But like Joe's stories -- the essence is true and I stand by it.

[Hortensis]

7. Agree. Sigh. Cases and attacks that are not honest and accurate

shouldn't be made at all. We're not trumpsters.

POTUS at the time NEEDED war power to stop Iraq from breaking out. Ten years of highly successful containment after the First Gulf War was about to fall apart because Saddam Hussein knew the U.S. president didn't have authority from congress to stop him and was on the move.

Of course Biden hoped W wouldn't misuse it but wasn't sure. Of course Hillary spoke forever on the senate floor about how the necessary power wasn't to be abused and hoped it wouldn't be. Hell, I believed W would probably listen to his father and every expert adviser who said both no WMD and that invasion was not only not necessary but would be a disaster. Those included Arnold Schwartzkopf, head of U.S. Central Command of 100 nations in the First, and literally everyone who should have been listened to.

[crazytown]

11. Ask John Edwards

(not this shit again)

[emmaverybo]

12. John Edwards was the only candidate to address poverty in decades. Losing his voice was not a

good thing.

[crazytown]

13. Yes,

but he was the most self righteous of the candidates in supporting the war, and afterwards condemning it later on. I am comment about about turns on Iraq here.

IWR vote

[emmaverybo]

14. Ok Was not up on his conduct in this context and interpreted mention of him differently.

[crazytown]

15. This is the worst

John Edwards Booed At 2003 California Democratic Convention

Biden never made a statement like this.

[NurseJackie]

32. Sarandon loved him. His IWR vote didn't matter... yet others do.

Strange, not strange.

[crazytown]

33. Sorry

fuck Susan Sarandon on a flaming stake. What was HRC's greatest crime? The fact she was a woman, dedicated to humanity's highest ideals. OMG don't even say, no matter who her 'husband was', that a measly fake whatever the 'girl child 'might reach for the star' is someone worth debating about.

Hillary Rodman Clinton, the best president the Republic never had. FU GOP.

[RandiFan1290]

16. Democrats that trusted Bush/Cheney on Iraq

showed horrible judgement and ignored millions of their constituents.

[betsuni]

17. In 2002 G.W. Bush had a 90% approval rate.

[RandiFan1290]

18. Woop de doo?

Do what's right

Not what's popular

[betsuni]

19. Ignore constituents?

The job is to do what constituents want. Like voting against gun control because it's Vermont.

[RandiFan1290]

20. The people of New York, Massachusetts, and Delaware were not begging for war.

Those Senators could have EASILY voted against Bush/Cheney.

[betsuni]

21. That vote was not: Do you want war? Yes or No.

As everyone knows.

[RandiFan1290]

22. lol

[betsuni]

23. Democrats don't want war, obviously.

Propaganda that they do (both sides) is silly.

[Joe941]

25. This is concerning.

[OilemFirchen]

36. This is banal.

[procon]

26. Every day, it's always the same theme.

It appears that the repetitious posts do nothing beyond irritating the community. If you have some sort of goal, perhaps this isn't the most effective method, yeah?

As an "undecided", much like myself, it far more productive to look at the strengths of our candidates, rather concentrating on just one of them and only focusing on things you dislike.

The cat's out of the bag now, so as others have said, stop it. Go find a different candidate and extol their virtues.

[sheshe2]

35. +1000

[stonecutter357]

27. good let's go Joe !