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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:11 AM Sep 2019

Beto Campaign responds to Megan McCain On Mandatory AK & AR Gun Buyback




"Beto's program will apply to all AK & AR-type guns - weapons specifically designed to kill as many people as efficiently as possible"
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Beto Campaign responds to Megan McCain On Mandatory AK & AR Gun Buyback (Original Post) liskddksil Sep 2019 OP
Her response on behalf of Beto was in the form of six tweets. You included only one... hlthe2b Sep 2019 #1
I saw the full stream. PatrickforO Sep 2019 #3
as she did in five more readily readible tweets for those who can't watch video. hlthe2b Sep 2019 #4
All six: dalton99a Sep 2019 #7
thanks dalton99a... hlthe2b Sep 2019 #8
Em... where is Beto's response? n/t Eyeball_Kid Sep 2019 #2
I said it was from the campaign not the candidate nt liskddksil Sep 2019 #5
Megan McCain loudly proclaimed ... left-of-center2012 Sep 2019 #6
Beto's buy back proposal is a great approach. It worked very well comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #9
Beto's campaign staffer is not saying what Beto said . Its an "assault weapons buyback" aikoaiko Sep 2019 #10
I don't know what this has to do with Beto's proposal? liskddksil Sep 2019 #11
He's also said "Assault Weapons" have to go in his own words -- not some campaign staffer aikoaiko Sep 2019 #13
Assault weapons do have to go. Starting with the 2 he mentioned. liskddksil Sep 2019 #14
So his plan is start with 2 and then confiscate more guns? aikoaiko Sep 2019 #15
Slippery slope. Interesting, did I stumble into the NRA website or something? liskddksil Sep 2019 #17
Hey, you're the one who said just ARs and AKs for now, more later. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #18
"slippery slope of confiscating more guns" jcgoldie Sep 2019 #19
This lifelong Democrat is opposed to forced buybacks of currently legally owned firearms. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #20
I didnt accuse anyone of not being a democrat jcgoldie Sep 2019 #21
Forced gun buyback policies can criticized for their weaknesses -- word choice aside. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #22
Sure they are your own jcgoldie Sep 2019 #23
The data don't support the idea that Assault Weapons Bans save very many if any lives. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #25
This lifelong Democrat is also opposed to enforced gun buyback schemes Devil Child Sep 2019 #24
This lifelong Democrat is for forced buybacks of currently legally owned firearms. Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #26
Perhaps you can answer this... aikoaiko Sep 2019 #28
Semi/Full - Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #31
So are you advocating for a new department of pre-crime? discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #32
"Pre-crime?" No; prevention. Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #33
Well, you say prevention... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #34
Tired. Chronic neuropeptide collapse. Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #35
Understandable discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2019 #36
U2, my friend. Comatose Sphagetti Sep 2019 #37
Here's the problem in general: ppl put a high priority in individual rights Kurt V. Sep 2019 #29
I get that. There is conflict, often, between individual rights and collective good. aikoaiko Sep 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Sep 2019 #16
Beto rules!! nt NYMinute Sep 2019 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #27
 

hlthe2b

(102,337 posts)
1. Her response on behalf of Beto was in the form of six tweets. You included only one...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

Should you not include all six? (and before you say it, MOST will not go to her twitter feed nor watch the entire stream. (If you are watching on a break at work, many if not most workplaces will block). I did because it didn't make sense that what you posted would be Beto campaign's full response to Meghan's tirade).

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PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
3. I saw the full stream.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:34 AM
Sep 2019

She points out some good policy outcomes Australia experienced.

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hlthe2b

(102,337 posts)
4. as she did in five more readily readible tweets for those who can't watch video.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:37 AM
Sep 2019

as is the case for many DUers who are reading on a break at work. Just basic consideration, IMO.

If you want to use this kind of thing to support your candidate, take the time to actually post what was said.

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dalton99a

(81,566 posts)
7. All six:
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:03 AM
Sep 2019

As you may have heard, @MeghanMcCain had some things to say about Beto's mandatory buy back program today, and a lot of her criticisms were based on popular misconceptions about buybacks that deserve to be addressed. (1/6)

‘How would a buyback even work? This doesn't sound rational’

We would not be the first. Australia & New Zealand both did buybacks. Lots of U.S. cities also hold voluntary buyback programs

Australia saw a 42% decline in its homicide rate in the 7 years after its buyback (2/6)

'There’s no official definition for ‘an assault weapon’ so the government will overreach with an ‘assault weapons ban' & buy back'

Beto's program will apply to all AK & AR-type guns - weapons specifically designed to kill as many people as efficiently as possible (3/6)

‘How can the government buy back a gun it didn't sell? How much would you pay people?'

An independent commission would determine compensation, using market value as a benchmark. This is what Australia did. It would be paid for by a tax on gun manufacturers (4/6)

‘What happens if someone refuses to voluntarily turn in their weapon of war? Couldn't that lead to violence?’

No. If you don’t voluntarily turn in your weapon of war, you will be fined. (5/6)

‘Bad guys aren't going to turn their guns in’

Like New Zealand and Australia, Beto’s program would create a window of amnesty, allowing individuals to turn in their weapons anonymously, without compensation, no questions asked. (6/6)

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hlthe2b

(102,337 posts)
8. thanks dalton99a...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:05 AM
Sep 2019
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Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
2. Em... where is Beto's response? n/t
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:27 AM
Sep 2019
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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
5. I said it was from the campaign not the candidate nt
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 10:44 AM
Sep 2019
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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. Megan McCain loudly proclaimed ...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:02 AM
Sep 2019
"I am a proud lifetime member of the NRA"
and then turned to the audience for approval.

She didn't get it.
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comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
9. Beto's buy back proposal is a great approach. It worked very well
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 11:10 AM
Sep 2019

in Australia and more recently New Zealand.

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aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
10. Beto's campaign staffer is not saying what Beto said . Its an "assault weapons buyback"
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 03:55 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:59 PM - Edit history (1)

Here is the last iteration of the AWB ( S.2095 — 115th Congress (2017-2018). It includes lots of non-AR15--type and non-AK-type weapons that have never been used in mass shootings.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2095/text

A BILL
To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Assault Weapons Ban of 2017”.

SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.

(a) In General.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

(1) by inserting after paragraph (29) the following:


“(30) The term ‘semiautomatic pistol’ means any repeating pistol that—

“(A) utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round; and

“(B) requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.

“(31) The term ‘semiautomatic shotgun’ means any repeating shotgun that—

“(A) utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round; and

“(B) requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.”; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:


“(36) The term ‘semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any of the following, regardless of country of manufacture or caliber of ammunition accepted:

“(A) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

“(i) A pistol grip.

“(ii) A forward grip.

“(iii) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

“(iv) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

“(v) A barrel shroud.

“(vi) A threaded barrel.

“(B) A semiautomatic rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, except for an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

“(C) Any part, combination of parts, component, device, attachment, or accessory that is designed or functions to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic rifle but not convert the semiautomatic rifle into a machinegun.

“(D) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any 1 of the following:

“(i) A threaded barrel.

“(ii) A second pistol grip.

“(iii) A barrel shroud.

“(iv) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

“(v) A semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

“(E) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

“(F) A semiautomatic shotgun that has any 1 of the following:

“(i) A folding, telescoping, or detachable stock.

“(ii) A pistol grip.

“(iii) A fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 5 rounds.

“(iv) The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

“(v) A forward grip.

“(vi) A grenade launcher or rocket launcher.

“(G) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

“(H) All of the following rifles, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) All AK types, including the following:

“(I) AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.

“(II) IZHMASH Saiga AK.

“(III) MAADI AK47 and ARM.

“(IV) Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.

“(V) Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

“(ii) All AR types, including the following:

“(I) AR–10.

“(II) AR–15.

“(III) Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.

“(IV) Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.

“(V) Armalite M15–T.

“(VI) Barrett REC7.

“(VII) Beretta AR–70.

“(VIII) Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.

“(IX) Bushmaster ACR.

“(X) Bushmaster Carbon 15.

“(XI) Bushmaster MOE series.

“(XII) Bushmaster XM15.

“(XIII) Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.

“(XIV) Colt Match Target rifles.

“(XV) CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.

“(XVI) Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles.

“(XVII) Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.

“(XVIII) Diamondback DB15 rifles.

“(XIX) DoubleStar AR rifles.

“(XX) DPMS Tactical rifles.

“(XXI) DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.

“(XXII) Heckler & Koch MR556.

“(XXIII) High Standard HSA–15 rifles.

“(XXIV) Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.

“(XXV) Knight’s Armament SR–15

“(XXVI) Lancer L15 rifles.

“(XXVII) MGI Hydra Series rifles.

“(XXVIII) Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.

“(XXIX) Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.

“(XXX) Olympic Arms.

“(XXXI) POF USA P415.

“(XXXII) Precision Firearms AR rifles.

“(XXXIII) Remington R–15 rifles.

“(XXXIV) Rhino Arms AR rifles.

“(XXXV) Rock River Arms LAR–15.

“(XXXVI) Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.

“(XXXVII) SKS with a detachable magazine.

“(XXXVIII) Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.

“(XXXIX) Stag Arms AR rifles.

“(XL) Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.

“(XLI) Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.

“(XLII) Windham Weaponry AR rifles.

“(XLIII) WMD Guns Big Beast.

“(XLIV) Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles.

“(iii) Barrett M107A1.

“(iv) Barrett M82A1.

“(v) Beretta CX4 Storm.

“(vi) Calico Liberty Series.

“(vii) CETME Sporter.

“(viii) Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C.

“(ix) Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000.

“(x) Feather Industries AT–9.

“(xi) Galil Model AR and Model ARM.

“(xii) Hi-Point Carbine.

“(xiii) HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC.

“(xiv) IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.

“(xv) Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.

“(xvi) SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.

“(xvii) Springfield Armory SAR–48.

“(xviii) Steyr AUG.

“(xix) Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.

“(xx) All Thompson rifles, including the following:

“(I) Thompson M1SB.

“(II) Thompson T1100D.

“(III) Thompson T150D.

“(IV) Thompson T1B.

“(V) Thompson T1B100D.

“(VI) Thompson T1B50D.

“(VII) Thompson T1BSB.

“(VIII) Thompson T1–C.

“(IX) Thompson T1D.

“(X) Thompson T1SB.

“(XI) Thompson T5.

“(XII) Thompson T5100D.

“(XIII) Thompson TM1.

“(XIV) Thompson TM1C.

“(xxi) UMAREX UZI rifle.

“(xxii) UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine.

“(xxiii) Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78.

“(xxiv) Vector Arms UZI Type.

“(xxv) Weaver Arms Nighthawk.

“(xxvi) Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

“(I) All of the following pistols, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) All AK–47 types, including the following:

“(I) Centurion 39 AK pistol.

“(II) CZ Scorpion pistol.

“(III) Draco AK–47 pistol.

“(IV) HCR AK–47 pistol.

“(V) IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol.

“(VI) Krinkov pistol.

“(VII) Mini Draco AK–47 pistol.

“(VIII) PAP M92 pistol.

“(IX) Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

“(ii) All AR–15 types, including the following:

“(I) American Spirit AR–15 pistol.

“(II) Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol.

“(III) Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II.

“(IV) CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol.

“(V) Daniel Defense MK18 pistol.

“(VI) DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol.

“(VII) DPMS AR–15 pistol.

“(VIII) Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol.

“(IX) Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol.

“(X) Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol.

“(XI) POF USA AR pistols.

“(XII) Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol.

“(XIII) Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.

“(iii) Calico Liberty pistols.

“(iv) DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.

“(v) Encom MP–9 and MP–45.

“(vi) Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.

“(vii) Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.

“(viii) IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.

“(ix) Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.

“(x) The following MAC types:

“(I) MAC–10.

“(II) MAC–11.

“(III) Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol.

“(IV) Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11.

“(V) Velocity Arms VMAC.

“(xi) Sig Sauer P556 pistol.

“(xii) Sites Spectre.

“(xiii) All Thompson types, including the following:

“(I) Thompson TA510D.

“(II) Thompson TA5.

“(xiv) All UZI types, including Micro-UZI.

“(J) All of the following shotguns, copies, duplicates, variants, or altered facsimiles with the capability of any such weapon thereof:

“(i) DERYA Anakon MC–1980, Anakon SD12.

“(ii) Doruk Lethal shotguns.

“(iii) Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12.

“(iv) All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following:

“(I) IZHMASH Saiga 12.

“(II) IZHMASH Saiga 12S.

“(III) IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP–01.

“(IV) IZHMASH Saiga 12K.

“(V) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–030.

“(VI) IZHMASH Saiga 12K–040 Taktika.

“(v) Streetsweeper.

“(vi) Striker 12.

“(K) All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including TNW M2HB and FN M2495.

“(L) Any combination of parts from which a firearm described in subparagraphs (A) through (K) can be assembled.

“(M) The frame or receiver of a rifle or shotgun described in subparagraph (A), (B), (C), (F), (G), (H), (J), or (K).

“(37) The term ‘large capacity ammunition feeding device’—

“(A) means a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device, including any such device joined or coupled with another in any manner, that has an overall capacity of, or that can be readily restored, changed, or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and

“(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.”.

(b) Related Definitions.—Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following:


“(38) The term ‘barrel shroud’—

“(A) means a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a firearm so that the shroud protects the user of the firearm from heat generated by the barrel; and

“(B) does not include—

“(i) a slide that partially or completely encloses the barrel; or

“(ii) an extension of the stock along the bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or substantially encircle the barrel.

“(39) The term ‘detachable magazine’ means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed from a firearm without disassembly of the firearm action.

“(40) The term ‘fixed magazine’ means an ammunition feeding device that is permanently fixed to the firearm in such a manner that it cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm.

“(41) The term ‘folding, telescoping, or detachable stock’ means a stock that folds, telescopes, detaches or otherwise operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability, of a firearm.

“(42) The term ‘forward grip’ means a grip located forward of the trigger that functions as a pistol grip.

“(43) The term ‘rocket’ means any simple or complex tubelike device containing combustibles that on being ignited liberate gases whose action propels the tube through the air and has a propellant charge of not more than 4 ounces.

“(44) The term ‘grenade launcher or rocket launcher’ means an attachment for use on a firearm that is designed to propel a grenade, rocket, or other similar destructive device.

“(45) The term ‘permanently inoperable’ means a firearm which is incapable of discharging a shot by means of an explosive and incapable of being readily restored to a firing condition.

“(46) The term ‘pistol grip’ means a grip, a thumbhole stock, or any other characteristic that can function as a grip.

“(47) The term ‘threaded barrel’ means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a device such as a firearm silencer or a flash suppressor.

“(48) The term ‘qualified law enforcement officer’ has the meaning given the term in section 926B.

“(49) The term ‘grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon’ means any semiautomatic assault weapon the importation, possession, sale, or transfer of which would be unlawful under section 922(v) but for the exception under paragraph (2) of such section.

“(50) The term ‘belt-fed semiautomatic firearm’ means any repeating firearm that—

“(A) utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round;

“(B) requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge; and

“(C) has the capacity to accept a belt ammunition feeding device.”.

SEC. 3. RESTRICTIONS ON ASSAULT WEAPONS AND LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.

(a) In General.—Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

(1) by inserting after subsection (u) the following:


“(v) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a semiautomatic assault weapon.

“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession, sale, or transfer of any semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed under Federal law on the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2017.

“(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that—

“(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

“(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

“(C) is an antique firearm, as defined in section 921 of this title.

“(4) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

“(A) the importation for, manufacture for, sale to, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a sale or transfer to or possession by a qualified law enforcement officer employed by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty), or a sale or transfer to or possession by a campus law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);

“(B) the importation for, or sale or transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or possession by an employee or contractor of such licensee on-site for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving a firearm, of a semiautomatic assault weapon—

“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or

“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement;

“(D) the importation, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession of a semiautomatic assault weapon by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General; or

“(E) the importation, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession of a firearm specified in Appendix A to this section, as such firearm was manufactured on the date of introduction of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2017.

“(5) For purposes of paragraph (4)(A), the term ‘campus law enforcement officer’ means an individual who is—

“(A) employed by a private institution of higher education that is eligible for funding under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq.);

“(B) responsible for the prevention or investigation of crime involving injury to persons or property, including apprehension or detention of persons for such crimes;

“(C) authorized by Federal, State, or local law to carry a firearm, execute search warrants, and make arrests; and

“(D) recognized, commissioned, or certified by a government entity as a law enforcement officer.

“(6) The Attorney General shall establish and maintain, in a timely manner, a record of the make, model, and, if available, date of manufacture of any semiautomatic assault weapon which the Attorney General is made aware has been used in relation to a crime under Federal or State law, and the nature and circumstances of the crime involved, including the outcome of relevant criminal investigations and proceedings. The Attorney General shall annually submit a copy of the record established under this paragraph to the Congress and make the record available to the general public.

“(w) (1) It shall be unlawful for a person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a large capacity ammunition feeding device.

“(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2017.

“(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

“(A) the importation for, manufacture for, sale to, transfer to, or possession by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, or a sale or transfer to or possession by a qualified law enforcement officer employed by the United States or a department or agency of the United States or a State or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty), or a sale or transfer to or possession by a campus law enforcement officer for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);

“(B) the importation for, or sale or transfer to a licensee under title I of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical protection system and security organization required by Federal law, or possession by an employee or contractor of such licensee on-site for such purposes or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or transportation of nuclear materials;

“(C) the possession, by an individual who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency and is not otherwise prohibited from receiving ammunition, of a large capacity ammunition feeding device—

“(i) sold or transferred to the individual by the agency upon such retirement; or

“(ii) that the individual purchased, or otherwise obtained, for official use before such retirement; or

“(D) the importation, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession of any large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

“(4) For purposes of paragraph (3)(A), the term ‘campus law enforcement officer’ means an individual who is—

“(A) employed by a private institution of higher education that is eligible for funding under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070 et seq.);

“(B) responsible for the prevention or investigation of crime involving injury to persons or property, including apprehension or detention of persons for such crimes;

“(C) authorized by Federal, State, or local law to carry a firearm, execute search warrants, and make arrests; and

“(D) recognized, commissioned, or certified by a government entity as a law enforcement officer.”; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:


“(aa) Secure Storage Or Safety Device Requirement For Grandfathered Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.—It shall be unlawful for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer, to store or keep under the dominion or control of that person any grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon that the person knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, will be accessible to an individual prohibited from receiving or possessing a firearm under subsection (g), (n), or (x), or any provision of State law, unless the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon is—

“(1) carried on the person, or within such close proximity that the person can readily retrieve and use the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon as if the grandfathered semiautomatic assault weapon were carried on the person; or

“(2) locked by a secure gun storage or safety device that the prohibited individual has no ability to access.”.

(b) Identification Markings For Semiautomatic Assault Weapons.—Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: “The serial number of any semiautomatic assault weapon manufactured after the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2017 shall clearly show the date on which the weapon was manufactured or made, legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast on the weapon, and such other identification as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe.”.

(c) Identification Markings For Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices.—Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by this Act, is amended by adding at the end the following: “A large capacity ammunition feeding device manufactured after the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2017 shall be identified by a serial number and the date on which the device was manufactured or made, legibly and conspicuously engraved or cast on the device, and such other identification as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe.”.

(d) Seizure And Forfeiture Of Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices.—Subsection (d) of section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

(1) in paragraph (1)—

(A) by inserting “or large capacity ammunition feeding device” after “firearm or ammunition” each time it appears;

(B) by inserting “or large capacity ammunition feeding device” after “firearms or ammunition” each time it appears; and

(C) by striking “or (k)” and inserting “(k), (r), (v), or (w)”;

(2) in paragraph (2)—

(A) in subparagraph (C), by inserting “or large capacity ammunition feeding devices” after “firearms or quantities of ammunition”; and

(3) in paragraph (3)—

(A) in subparagraph (E), by inserting “922(r), 922(v), 922(w),” after “922(n),”.

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liskddksil

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11. I don't know what this has to do with Beto's proposal?
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:13 PM
Sep 2019

"Beto's program will apply to all AK & AR-type guns - weapons specifically designed to kill as many people as efficiently as possible"

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aikoaiko

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13. He's also said "Assault Weapons" have to go in his own words -- not some campaign staffer
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:25 PM
Sep 2019

See here:
"That’s why, as president, I would institute a mandatory buyback of every assault weapon in America."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/22/beto-orourke-president-institute-mandatory-assault-weapons-buyback-editorials-debates/2089652001/

I think his campaign is trying to minimize the impact of this blunderous policy by saying its just two types of guns, but it won't be.

Either that or he'll be leaving out firearms just as capable of mass shootings as ARs and AKs which makes his policy ineffective.

Not being direct about the plan for forced buy-backs or ineffective policies is no way to work toward reducing gun violence.

edited for more respectful word choices.


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liskddksil

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14. Assault weapons do have to go. Starting with the 2 he mentioned.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:31 PM
Sep 2019

He's more upfront than anyone about this.

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aikoaiko

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15. So his plan is start with 2 and then confiscate more guns?
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:53 PM
Sep 2019

That's not ok.

eta: In case this is alerted upon I edited it out the offending phrase, but I note the defender of this policy who said Beto just wants the ARs and AKs for now, but more "assault weapons" later.

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liskddksil

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17. Slippery slope. Interesting, did I stumble into the NRA website or something?
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:55 PM
Sep 2019

I thought this was DU.

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aikoaiko

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18. Hey, you're the one who said just ARs and AKs for now, more later.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 04:57 PM
Sep 2019

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jcgoldie

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19. "slippery slope of confiscating more guns"
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:45 PM
Sep 2019

Did that quote come directly off the back of your fucking NRA membership card? For fucks sake.

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aikoaiko

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20. This lifelong Democrat is opposed to forced buybacks of currently legally owned firearms.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 06:50 PM
Sep 2019

It a more extreme policy than what we did or have with machine guns.

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jcgoldie

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21. I didnt accuse anyone of not being a democrat
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:07 PM
Sep 2019

A lifelong democrat can come on here spouting right to life shit too and that doesn’t mean its not a republican talking point. That’s exactly what it is when you call a democratic presidential candidate advancing plans for gun control “ignorant” and its exactly what it is when you use bullshit NRA language about gun control as a “slippery slope.”

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aikoaiko

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22. Forced gun buyback policies can criticized for their weaknesses -- word choice aside.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:21 PM
Sep 2019

My thoughts are my own.
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jcgoldie

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23. Sure they are your own
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:26 PM
Sep 2019

Excuse me if I fail to understand how someone’s central concern in this debate is that the government might have too loose of a definition of “assault weapons” and overstep taking other types of weapons when kids in school and people in movie theaters and malls are getting gunned down by the dozens because these fuckers can legally buy and possess a gun designed for no other reason than killing as many people as possible before they have to reload.

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aikoaiko

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25. The data don't support the idea that Assault Weapons Bans save very many if any lives.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:48 PM
Sep 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/sunday-review/the-assault-weapon-myth.html

As an owner of AR15s and other firearms on the AWB list I am offended that my party leaders don't think I can be trusted to own semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines, but I am trustworthy enough to own machine guns.

There has to be some accountability for gov decisions. I am a legal owner of those firearms and have done nothing to be prohibited.

I won't get into the whole 2nd amendment interpretation thing, but yes I think there are civil liberty implications.

I'm sure we disagree, but I feel just as passionate about keeping my access to certain firearms as others who want to take them from me.

But after thinking about things, I should be more mindful about the language I use.
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Devil Child

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24. This lifelong Democrat is also opposed to enforced gun buyback schemes
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 07:32 PM
Sep 2019

You are not alone aikoaiko.

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Comatose Sphagetti

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26. This lifelong Democrat is for forced buybacks of currently legally owned firearms.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:12 PM
Sep 2019

Make it simple -
Semi-auto anything. Get rid of them.

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aikoaiko

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28. Perhaps you can answer this...
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:15 PM
Sep 2019

Why should we have a more extreme policy for semi-autos than we do for full-auto machine guns?

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Comatose Sphagetti

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31. Semi/Full -
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 09:08 PM
Sep 2019

A matter of degree, but both are WMDs. Both need to go.

As a former BHP (Behavioral Health Professional), I'll give a little insight as to where I'm coming from -

Just as we cannot predict with any certainty what our physical health will be a year, or even a week from now, neither can we predict what our emotional/psychological health will be - as witnessed by countless examples of "I..! I..! I can't believe he killed (him/her/them!) He was always such a loving, caring, person!"
So background checks are feel-good policies, but do nothing to address any future negative emotional/psychological event(s) or current undiagnosed/untreated/undocumented issues.
The only way I can see to address the problem with WMDs - the preferred weapon of mass shooters (no one has or will walk into a movie theater with a single-shot H&R Topper break-action shotgun; can't get those numbers before you off yourself or the cops kill you) - is to get rid of them.

With respect,
CS

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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32. So are you advocating for a new department of pre-crime?
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 02:00 PM
Sep 2019

Someone informed me that revolvers can be fired at a faster rate than semi-autos. Do they need to go as well?

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Comatose Sphagetti

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33. "Pre-crime?" No; prevention.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

And yes, all 30 to 100 round capacity revolvers must go. (A little humor.)

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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34. Well, you say prevention...
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 06:47 PM
Sep 2019
...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Restricting a constitutionally protected right sounds like a case requiring due process.

BTW, do you have evidence that laws do, in general, prevent crime?
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Comatose Sphagetti

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35. Tired. Chronic neuropeptide collapse.
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 07:13 PM
Sep 2019

Perhaps I shall be strong enough in the near future to respond.

Kudos.

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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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36. Understandable
Thu Sep 5, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

Watching the news about 45 is depressing and tiring. I get more tire when I'm depressed.

Get some rest
In the AM have some

Thanks for the exchange.

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Kurt V.

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29. Here's the problem in general: ppl put a high priority in individual rights
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:17 PM
Sep 2019

instead of the greater good. where the wants of the few is more important than the needs of the many.

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aikoaiko

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30. I get that. There is conflict, often, between individual rights and collective good.
Wed Sep 4, 2019, 08:26 PM
Sep 2019


There are other things we can do besides forced buybacks.
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