CNN's Toobin Dismisses 'Rinky-Dink' New Poll Showing Biden Down: It's 'Kind of a Joke'

[highplainsdem]

From Mediaite, with video at the link:

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/cnns-toobin-dismisses-rinky-dink-new-poll-showing-biden-down-its-kind-of-a-joke/


The article is from last night, which is why it refers to the Monmouth poll as "the new poll out today."

The new poll out today everyone’s buzzing about shows Joe Biden down and both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders tied at 20%, followed by Biden veep at 19%.

There’s been some skepticism of the poll, given the margin of error and small sample size. On CNN tonight, Jeffrey Toobin joined in as the Situation Room panel dissected the poll.

Wolf Blitzer started the segment by noting the margin of error and the difference between the Monmouth poll and a recent CNN poll showing Biden with a comfortable lead.

Toobin practically rolled his eyes at the Monmouth poll:

“Come on, that 298 sample, that’s a rinky-dink poll. Sorry, I mean, Monmouth has often done good work, but I think that poll itself is kind of a joke.”

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[qazplm135]

1. boy

for such a crappy poll, you sure seem shook up about it with all these posts about it.

[George II]

3. Not nearly as many as those claiming Biden "plunged", "crashed", etc.

[qazplm135]

5. right because if the roles were reversed

and your candidate didn't have a great poll, even if it might be an outlier, Biden supporters would have been quiet and played down the report.

[highplainsdem]

4. Nope. Just enjoying seeing the media self-correct a bit after giving too much attention to that

poll yesterday.

Both NBC and MSNBC this morning noted that the Monmouth poll is an outlier and polled fewer than 300 people.

[Cha]

12. So you call correctring the facts being

"shook up"?

[qazplm135]

15. "correcting" what facts?

It's not "correcting" anything. It's AN interpretation of a recent poll. It's literally opinion.

and it's posted numerous times so yeah, clearly this one poll has struck a nerve.

Which is not surprising the way some folks have been posting each and every new poll as if it's some mystical key when in reality most of these polls are still way early, the end result is as likely to not look like this as to look like it, and polling averages is always the only way to even try to analyze a race.

[Cha]

19. So what the OP posts a lot of

current information.. you don't have to try to insult her by claiming she's "shook up".

[qazplm135]

22. you know

the concept of "insult" sure is awfully broad these days.

I didn't insult anyone.

[Cha]

53. That's your opinion.

[True Blue American]

51. When Jeffrey Toobin

Poo poo’s you can believe it.

[Cha]

52. Yeah, some can't handle it.. Thanks,

True Blue American!

[Wellstone ruled]

6. Sample size was suppose to be

1400 and only made contact with 289. Wow,that means tons of wrong numbers or hang ups as well as just plain bad call Center Staffing or lack of Training.

[qazplm135]

16. we are trained to not answer unknown numbers these days

thanks to spammers.

So I'm not surprised that polling is a lot harder to get big numbers.
Obviously, you do want more than 298...I'd say a poll that gets to 500 is a pretty good number...but having said that, it doesn't automatically invalidate it.

As with all polls, you throw it on the pile and add it to the averages.

[Wellstone ruled]

48. Worked the Call Center Gig.

It is all about the Training of the Call Makers. This appears to have been a really half ass run operation. You should loose a small percentage do to Number issues. This seems to be jacked from the get go.

[George II]

7. Here's the bottom line that would make Biden's number "plummet"...

...at 32% of 289 polled, 92.48 people would have chosen Biden, at 19% 54.91 would have chosen him.

[Celerity]

14. your maths are seriously off

32% of 289 is 92.48, NOT 57.80

[George II]

17. You're right! Time to change the batteries in my keyboard (not an excuse)....

My formula had .2 instead of .32

[Celerity]

35. all good!

[melman]

8. For a rinky-dink poll..

..this thing sure seems to have a lot of people rattled.

[highplainsdem]

9. Not rattled. Skeptical, since the poll is so clearly an outlier with a tiny sample size.

[Demsrule86]

11. No, not a bit.

But I will say since I think Biden is the one to beat Trump and polls support this...why would anyone go with a candidate less likely to win...makes no sense...trying to pound a square peg in a round hole...will cost us the general...the pure perfect candidate fantasy...needs to go before we lose in 20.

[melman]

21. The number of threads on it suggests otherwise

And what you're saying there is just your opinion. I happen to think the opposite.

What I think is that If Biden is nominated it will cost us the election.

[qazplm135]

24. no...that's just as wrong as the Biden folks

who claim only Biden can win.

ANY of our top candidates can win. Period.

[highplainsdem]

38. You may think that if Biden's nominated it'll cost us the election, but polling so far

indicates he's our strongest candidate.

[Cha]

55. Yes.. Amazing.. those polled have

a very different opinion!

[Demsrule86]

58. Of course we will comment on it...polls are interesting...but I think this is just more wisful

thinking on the part of those who favor other candidates...I believe Biden can beat the orange piece of crap...maybe the only one.

[Cha]

13. So reporting new information is now

considered "rattled" by you, melman?

[melman]

18. Did I say that?

No. Try again.

[Cha]

20. Oh good to see you're not claiming anyone

is rattled by posting new information.

[melman]

25. No I'm not claiming anyone is rattled by posting new information

Why would I claim that. Those are your words. I never mentioned anything about "posting new information"

[Cha]

27. Good.. it's done.

[melman]

29. Shouldn't have started

But some just can't handle others having a different opinion.

[Cha]

32. Oh, you mean like the OP having

a different opinion than you?

[George II]

26. Reminds me of the "Henry the Eighth" song:

"Second verse, same as the first!"

[Cha]

28. lol

[True Blue American]

54. I'm Enery The 8th.:)

[George II]

34. Cha:

melman (4,956 posts)

8. For a rinky-dink poll..

..this thing sure seems to have a lot of people rattled.

[Cha]

46. Exactly, George.. Mahalo!

[qazplm135]

23. repeatedly posting it is

once no problem...multiple times? Why?

[Cha]

30. Too bad it bothers you.. I quite like her OPs.

[qazplm135]

36. I'm sure you do

of course, has nothing to do with like, and as you are trying to subtly imply, nothing to do with her gender either.

[Cha]

37. I'm not trying to "imply" anything.

[TCJ70]

43. What new information is in the OP?

The sample size? Brought up in the threads yesterday.
The margin of error? Also in the threads yesterday.

So what's new? As far as I can see all we have in this OP is a commentator...commenting.

[George II]

56. What's new is that yet another political analyst is dismissing this outlier poll.

[TCJ70]

59. Oh so it isn't even the first? We have different definitions of new...n/t

[Cha]

60. Thank you for explaining that, George..

even though it's still not quite "new" enough. lol

[BannonsLiver]

39. It's fair to say it's also given a lot of folks the tingles

People who can’t stand Biden, don’t want him to be the nominee etc.

It’s the poll that launched a lot of wishful thinking tingles!

[melman]

40. Searing

[BannonsLiver]

41. No, it's tingly.

[melman]

42. Okay

Whatever your into I guess. I don't judge.

[Cha]

50. lol

[Cha]

44. lol.. Thanks BannonsLiver!

[quickesst]

10. some people, including a few in the media...

.... have suggested the Monmouth poll was a projection of a future poll using a tried-and-true method of prediction. 🤔🤑

[Cha]

45. Or lol Wishful Thinking?!

But, they're trying so hard to bring Joe Biden down!

[bluewater]

31. Paid CNN media personalities talking up a CNN Poll! Shocking! lol

Please.



Just, Please.

[democratisphere]

33. No credibility at all.

Nice try on a rigged sampling to get the desired outcome.

[George II]

47. More about that "rinky-dink poll"...

Link to tweet

[Cha]

49. You should make that an OP, George!

Good find!

Mahalo!

[oasis]

57. MSM milked that bogus Monmouth poll all day long. nt

[Cha]

61. And now seemingly, they

have egg on their collective face whether they know it or not.

Aloha, oasis

[oasis]

62. With "egg on their faces" after "milking a bogus Monmouth Poll"

the MSM had butter (sp) wake up and smell the coffee when it comes to touting half-baked information.

Aloha, Cha

[Cha]

63. Brilliant way to carry on with the

food/drink metaphors, oasis! I'll to that!

Aloha!