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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 12:54 PM Aug 2019

Joe Biden is my Harvard, not my 'safety school.' He really is my favorite 2020 Democrat.

USA Today op-ed by Melinda Henneberger, who's "an editorial columnist for The Kansas City Star and a member of the USA TODAY Board of Contributors."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/25/biden-top-choice-2020-democrats-he-would-be-best-president-column/2094104001/


I keep reading that no one — not even Jill Biden — actually prefers Joe Biden to the other Democratic presidential candidates. Supposedly, he is a front-runner who is solely supported, with tiny sighs and great regret, by those too fearful to follow their hearts. My friend Walter Shapiro has written that Biden is the “safety school” of Democrats — regarded fondly, but the first choice of nobody.

Early admission: He’s my Harvard, OK? And I do not favor the former vice president because I think he has the best chance of winning, which may or may not be true.

Instead, if the contest were tomorrow, I’d vote Biden because I think he’d do the best job if we did manage to grab the wheel away from a president who reminds me more every day of “Vinny the Chin” Gigante, a mob boss who used to go around New York City in his bathrobe and house shoes, babbling to himself. (Vinny may have been faking madness to stay out of prison, but the guy currently faking sanity to stay in the Oval Office does a pretty good Vinny imitation all the same.)

-snip-

It’s early in the campaign, and I’m not even trying to win converts; love who you love, and I will, too. But pundits, please stop insisting that nobody is excited about Biden's candidacy, or that he’s the head-over-heart guy who appeals only to those making a bloodless, Vulcan and strictly strategic choice.

Really, have you met Joe Biden, people? I ask because if you’ve glimpsed him at any point over the last 40 years, you may have noticed that his biggest selling point is his giant heart, and the way that after multiple tragedies, he walks through the world as the compassionate consoler and messy, highly emotional and ever-ready empathizer we do need most right now. It's strange for those of us who appreciate these qualities in him most of all to then be told that we shouldn't be so passionless and practical in choosing a candidate.

It’s so painful to watch Biden being Al Gored, with every utterance shorn of context in service to the narrative. Then, it was that Gore exaggerated. And he did, but the planet is considerably worse off today because we were saved from that nightmare. Today, of course, it’s that Biden is gaffe-prone. And he is, but by getting stuck on Biden gaffes as we did on Gore exaggerations, the planet will be worse off.

-snip-



I hope you'll read the entire column at the link. She makes other great points.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Joe Biden is my Harvard, not my 'safety school.' He really is my favorite 2020 Democrat. (Original Post) highplainsdem Aug 2019 OP
Great points, however saidsimplesimon Aug 2019 #1
You're entitled to your opinion, but he wouldn't be the frontrunner if many people agreed with you. highplainsdem Aug 2019 #3
Biden's support has fallen since he announced on April 25th bluewater Aug 2019 #9
His support has stayed at about 30% for ten months now. That is NOT a "fragile front runner." highplainsdem Aug 2019 #12
+1 LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #13
+1 Mars and Minerva Aug 2019 #18
ZING! Princetonian Aug 2019 #24
Lol its crazy to think someone calling a steady 30% fragile onetexan Aug 2019 #26
His support has stayed roughly that of his two closest rivals COMBINED LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #14
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #16
Oh and by the way, Biden's average lead in all the polls- RCP is 12.8% as of 8/25 Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #21
Exactly! Well said, Thekaspervote. Princetonian Aug 2019 #25
Hi princetonian!! I would imagine you watched the whole speech with President Obama and VP Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #30
More than once. Gets me every time. Princetonian Aug 2019 #33
Luv the jif!! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #34
How's this one? Makes me smile... Princetonian Aug 2019 #38
Yes, the top four candidates have all dropped somewhat in the last few weeks. George II Aug 2019 #40
You will notice that EVERY candidate's support has fallen over the last few weeks. George II Aug 2019 #39
Fragility is not in fact, a steady and commanding lead. LanternWaste Aug 2019 #42
Really? I don't think so...I actually adore Biden...he will win. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #4
lol Princetonian Aug 2019 #27
Hummm... one wonders Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #32
Such petty swipes at Biden...he is a good guy. Demsrule86 Aug 2019 #36
Joe Biden has never, ever been a whiner. Your belief is not widely shared. If it were MSM emmaverybo Aug 2019 #6
And stayed classy every time. LongtimeAZDem Aug 2019 #10
Yes! NT emmaverybo Aug 2019 #11
+1 Princetonian Aug 2019 #29
VP Joe has qualities that are rare in anyone much less a politician: grace, humility and class. Princetonian Aug 2019 #31
That's a Ridiculous accusation! Biden Cha Aug 2019 #15
I really honestly and truly do not have a favorite. Any one of 'em will do. Iggo Aug 2019 #2
I could not be more enthusiastic about any candidate.. he is my Peacetrain Aug 2019 #5
Me too peacetrain!! I think the whole of the free world is rooting for Joe...since he's the ONLY Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #23
So true. With Joe, due to hisany years of experience, relationships onetexan Aug 2019 #28
Thank you for this post. I feel gratitude for Joe's running and am inspired by his message. Joe emmaverybo Aug 2019 #7
I have adored Joe for 25 years, since my early twenties and have always found him captivating and Skya Rhen Aug 2019 #8
'I cannot put into words how ecstatic I am to see him become our next President.' Celerity Aug 2019 #41
Great post and a point that hasn't already been made ad nauseum. Hortensis Aug 2019 #17
K & R thanks for posting this! FakeNoose Aug 2019 #19
Joe is my #1 with a bullet. I don't think he's the perfect candidate, but I sincerely believe LincolnRossiter Aug 2019 #20
If not for his son passing, SCVDem Aug 2019 #22
K&R Tarheel_Dem Aug 2019 #35
Joe's... myohmy2 Aug 2019 #37
 

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
1. Great points, however
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:13 PM
Aug 2019

I don't agree. imo, Biden is showing weakness when he whines or claims injury when his voting past is questioned. Every candidate should practice turning a critique to their advantage.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)
3. You're entitled to your opinion, but he wouldn't be the frontrunner if many people agreed with you.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:26 PM
Aug 2019

He isn't whining or showing weakness.

And he had every right and every reason to point out that those whose question his background might have questions raised about theirs.

He's running for president, not high school debate champ or wonk of the year.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
9. Biden's support has fallen since he announced on April 25th
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:40 PM
Aug 2019

On April 25th, the day Biden announced as a 2020 candidate, his support was at 29.3%

As of today his support is at 28.8 %.

This is why many people consider him a fragile front runner. He is not generating enthusiasm.

Anyone can see the rise and decline of Biden's support at RCP Polls Tracker:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

highplainsdem

(49,005 posts)
12. His support has stayed at about 30% for ten months now. That is NOT a "fragile front runner."
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:51 PM
Aug 2019

Holding a steady lead for ten months is unusual.

Especially with two dozen rivals.

I know you want to pretend he isn't doing well, bluewater. You posted just a few days ago that Biden was "flatlining." The day I hear that a human or a horse holding a steady lead in a race, well ahead of all competitors, is "flatlining," I might consider that your belittling descriptions of how Biden's doing in the polls, with a very crowded field and very ambitious and well-known and well-funded competitors, could somehow be accurate.

So far they aren't.

But keep trying...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
24. ZING!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:30 PM
Aug 2019
highplainsdem
12. His support has stayed at about 30% for ten months now. That is NOT a "fragile front runner."
Holding a steady lead for ten months is unusual.

Especially with two dozen rivals.

I know you want to pretend he isn't doing well, bluewater. You posted just a few days ago that Biden was "flatlining." The day I hear that a human or a horse holding a steady lead in a race, well ahead of all competitors, is "flatlining," I might consider that your belittling descriptions of how Biden's doing in the polls, with a very crowded field and very ambitious and well-known and well-funded competitors, could somehow be accurate.

So far they aren't.

But keep trying...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
26. Lol its crazy to think someone calling a steady 30% fragile
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:48 PM
Aug 2019

Biden is IT! If there was any other candidate better their poll #s would have surpassed his by now. Rather everyone else stay 10 points below.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
14. His support has stayed roughly that of his two closest rivals COMBINED
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:57 PM
Aug 2019

Your spin is wishful thinking, IMO.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

Response to bluewater (Reply #9)

 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
21. Oh and by the way, Biden's average lead in all the polls- RCP is 12.8% as of 8/25
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:58 PM
Aug 2019

Polls are going to go up and down. For a poll to drop 0.5% is nothing. One could point to any one of the other candidates and see the same, or more

Here’s a link to a guardian article as to why “joe the boring candidate is in the lead.”

You can look at the link... or not, hopefully others will. The paragraph below the link sums up the article

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate


Sanders’s and Warren’s policy platforms are more removed from Trump’s than Biden’s, but they are also perceived as highly divisive candidates. And this is not the kind of change most anti-Trump voters are looking for. What they want, is a return to order and civility.

Far from a fragile front runner.. he has the qualities the voting public are hungry for

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
25. Exactly! Well said, Thekaspervote.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:39 PM
Aug 2019
Star Member Thekaspervote (4,185 posts)
21. Oh and by the way, Biden's average lead in all the polls- RCP is 12.8% as of 8/25

Polls are going to go up and down. For a poll to drop 0.5% is nothing. One could point to any one of the other candidates and see the same, or more

Here’s a link to a guardian article as to why “joe the boring candidate is in the lead.”

You can look at the link... or not, hopefully others will. The paragraph below the link sums up the article

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate

Sanders’s and Warren’s policy platforms are more removed from Trump’s than Biden’s, but they are also perceived as highly divisive candidates. And this is not the kind of change most anti-Trump voters are looking for. What they want, is a return to order and civility.

Far from a fragile front runner.. he has the qualities the voting public are hungry for


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
30. Hi princetonian!! I would imagine you watched the whole speech with President Obama and VP
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:19 PM
Aug 2019

Biden. It is so heartfelt by both of them...

This is how a real leader does it!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
33. More than once. Gets me every time.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:31 PM
Aug 2019

That speech is bookmarked in my "Fav Moments" file.

I want to see this leader stepping into the White House next year. Let's make it happen!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
34. Luv the jif!!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 06:25 PM
Aug 2019

I don’t have it bookmarked, but me too have watched more than once...and know exactly where to find it

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
38. How's this one? Makes me smile...
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 08:16 AM
Aug 2019

... Barack biting back a grin... how anyone could not like these two?



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Yes, the top four candidates have all dropped somewhat in the last few weeks.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 10:00 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
39. You will notice that EVERY candidate's support has fallen over the last few weeks.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 09:57 AM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
42. Fragility is not in fact, a steady and commanding lead.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:11 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,589 posts)
4. Really? I don't think so...I actually adore Biden...he will win.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:42 PM
Aug 2019

Harris doesn't like being questioned either...is she weak?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
27. lol
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:51 PM
Aug 2019

"Harris doesn't like being questioned either...is she weak?"





If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,589 posts)
36. Such petty swipes at Biden...he is a good guy.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 07:30 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
6. Joe Biden has never, ever been a whiner. Your belief is not widely shared. If it were MSM
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:16 PM
Aug 2019

would be chewing daily over his thin skin, not his gaffes.

He corrected willful misinterpretations of his fund-raiser anecdote, apologized for any hurt it had caused, expressed his surprise at Harris’s attack, and MOVED ON as he always does.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
10. And stayed classy every time.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:41 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Princetonian

(1,501 posts)
31. VP Joe has qualities that are rare in anyone much less a politician: grace, humility and class.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:22 PM
Aug 2019
He corrected willful misinterpretations of his fund-raiser anecdote, apologized for any hurt it had caused, expressed his surprise at Harris’s attack, and MOVED ON as he always does.


President Obama had these qualities too. I miss them both in the White House every day.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,323 posts)
15. That's a Ridiculous accusation! Biden
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:00 PM
Aug 2019

is the furthest thing from a "whiner" as you so accuse.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
2. I really honestly and truly do not have a favorite. Any one of 'em will do.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:18 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Peacetrain

(22,877 posts)
5. I could not be more enthusiastic about any candidate.. he is my
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:10 PM
Aug 2019

first choice... with the mess our government is in now with its allies.. he is needed more than ever!.. no one running has more skill or experience in foreign policy..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
23. Me too peacetrain!! I think the whole of the free world is rooting for Joe...since he's the ONLY
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:07 PM
Aug 2019

One they were begging to run. Seems a pretty hefty resume.

GoJoe..go...we luv ya and we’ve got your back

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

onetexan

(13,043 posts)
28. So true. With Joe, due to hisany years of experience, relationships
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:52 PM
Aug 2019

With allies would instantly ne restored, America would be the leader of the free world again, &our stance against the strongmen of the world renewed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
7. Thank you for this post. I feel gratitude for Joe's running and am inspired by his message. Joe
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:32 PM
Aug 2019

is one of the most qualified, experienced, and knowledgeable candidates to run for the presidency in decades.

Many supporters respect and love ❤️ Joe.

Against bigger dogs, the small dog barks the loudest because he knows he’s small.

Biden supporters don’t need to overstate the case. His resume speaks for itself.

Our love and respect is not adoration, not blind worship.

MSM has chosen to interview luke-warm supporters and to play up an opposite narrative to the truth about Biden: he is a widely popular politician.

He connects emotionally with the widest swath of the public.

Icing on the cake is that this seasoned, gifted, and inspiring candidate is also probably the most
electable.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
8. I have adored Joe for 25 years, since my early twenties and have always found him captivating and
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 02:37 PM
Aug 2019

intriguing.

I cannot put into words how ecstatic I am to see him become our next President. He is the only one that I feel this way about and he is the only candidate that excites me - no one else even comes close...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,419 posts)
41. 'I cannot put into words how ecstatic I am to see him become our next President.'
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 11:05 AM
Aug 2019

You may (even more than likely are) be right, but this sort of hubris reeks of the 2016 group-think I saw on both Brexit and the POTUS race as well, especially with the American expats in London in regards to the later. (I am sure it was here on this board too, I was not here then, but I am probably correct, perhaps someone can correct me if I am not.)

Way too early to be making 'it's a done deal'-type statements, especially with a Rethug Party and even more so with a monster like Rump, who are both willing to do any level of lying, cheating, stealing etc. to win by any means necessary. Also, an 'it's in the bag' attitude will have the horrid effect of depressing our turnout, which not only hurts us at POTUS level, but will truly impact in a negative way down ballot

I am taking ZERO for granted.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Great post and a point that hasn't already been made ad nauseum.
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:04 PM
Aug 2019

For all the criticism, including a despicable but quickly doomed attempt to recast him as a sexual predator, Biden is still widely seen as a nice man and a good, stable and competent leader because he is. His long record also shows him to have always been a solid progressive liberal by nature, working on most of today's issues long before public awareness lead to demand that newer politicians are insisting only they can meet.

I haven't committed to anyone, but I'd be so worried if a candidate like Biden wasn't out front all this time. Above all we really need leaders who can inspire national commitment to the liberal democratic principles we were raised with and to using them to create a much better tomorrow. So far Biden is the one, and I am looking for others I like to show they can provide that critical leadership or get out of the way.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
19. K & R thanks for posting this!
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:28 PM
Aug 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
20. Joe is my #1 with a bullet. I don't think he's the perfect candidate, but I sincerely believe
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:34 PM
Aug 2019

he’d far and away make the best president of anyone currently viable for the presidency. I think he’ll be a wonderful, competent, compassionate leader for ALL Americans.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
22. If not for his son passing,
Sun Aug 25, 2019, 03:59 PM
Aug 2019

Joe would have assumed his rightful place as the VP next in line to replace a termed out president .

Those who deride him for mentioning Obama forget that Gore distanced himself from Clinton and lost.

Biden is where he should be.

There are not many candidates who can match his experience and some were in diapers when he started. It's easy to pick on an extensive resume and use it to your advantage.

Times have changed and so has Joe Biden!

That said, you will never hear me disparaging a Democratic candidate.

That's what Republicans are for!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
37. Joe's...
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:19 AM
Aug 2019

...a decent guy and I'll gladly vote for him should he get the nomination...

...but shouldn't we be thinking smarter, dreaming bigger, doing better?


...check out Joe,

https://joebiden.com/joes-vision/


...then wander over to Bernie,

https://berniesanders.com/issues/


...and tell me who has the better vision for America....

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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