Beto

[Horizens]

Beto really needs to drop out and run for the senate in Texas. He'd have an excellent flip the sand and help the Dems flip the four open house seats. It'd the right thing for him to do.

[cwydro]

1. There's already a good (and also female) candidate running for senate.

What do you have against her?

[OKNancy]

2. +1

[DrToast]

27. Maybe they feel Beto would be a better candidate

Is that not allowed?

[OldDem65]

38. I guess it's allowed but it's pretty dumb if you ask me

I guess some people just like spitting in the wind.

[Horizens]

55. "Good" isn't good enough

We need a strong candidate who can win and we don't have one now.

Daily Kos (today)

"“The poll also projects a wide-open Democratic primary race for the Senate seat held by longtime incumbent John Cornyn. At 19%, "someone else" is leading the field, a blow to former Army helicopter pilot MJ Hegar, who's been campaigning for most of the year.

That "someone else" is leading the entire field is an oddity, but reflects the complexity of the primary race and the conundrum felt by many Democrats.

Hegar was the choice of 10% of those polled, followed by state Sen. Royce West at 8%, former U.S. Rep. Chris Bell at 7% and Houston City Council member Amanda Edwards at 5%. A whopping 51% of respondents were unsure.
Still plenty of time for Texas Democrats to find their nominee …”

[RLG]

57. You're making the assumption that O'Rourke will manhandle Cornyn.

There's no guarantee this will happen.

Also, if he loses again, his national political career is practically over.

[Horizens]

59. Guessing

I'm guessing that Beto would lead the field, by far, if he were running and included in the poll I cited.

If the Dems fail to win the 2020 elections

Nothing will be done about
climate change
health care
civil rights
gun control
two tiered autocratic society when the tax code isn't turned upside down
the politicalization of the FBI, intelligence agencies (the justice dept is already politicized)

This is a Last Chance election for the U.S.A. and I don't give a fly'n fck about ANY politicians political career.

[RLG]

60. So what you are saying is you don't feel he could do this if he was elected president?

He should settle for a Senate seat instead?

[OldDem65]

58. Democrats need to accept and support candidates that will be on the ballot

MJ Hegar would be much higher in the polls if Democrats would stop hurting her campaign with the non-stop whining that O'Rourke has chosen not to fun for Senate. No amount of whining will make him run for Senate and at this point, those who continue to whine are going to ensure those running will lose.

Whether you like it or not, Mr. O'Rourke is far too talented and has too much to offer to be limited to a state wide race. He is exactly where he belongs. With how strong he is proving himself to be I'd much prefer seeing him help beat Mitch McConnell and Cornyn by being the nominee and helping dozens of candidates on ballots all across the country down those tickets.

[Merlot]

3. Good thing Beto's got you to tell him what to do

Otherwise, he might just be president or VP.

He already lost one senate race in Texas, why try again? Leave that to the candidate already in the race instead of splitting the vote. That's what someone who wants the best for the party would do.

[Horizens]

12. Not a Shot in Hades

Beto hasn't got a shot in hades of getting the nomination. And you'd rather see him as VP than turning a senate seat in Texas.

[OldDem65]

19. This morning after his WTF to the media went viral I'm seeing people on twitter saying

that they are voting for him and have even seen people say they are switching from other candidates because of how O'Rourke is leading on this. The ability to step up and show leadership in the wake of tragedy has proven that he can rise to the occasion. Everything has changed in the race now, whether you care to admit it or not.

[Merlot]

28. He's got a better shot at VP than at turning a senate seat

It's wishful thinking that he would turn another senate seat when he couldn't turn the first one. He'd be a fool to try that again. However, he's more popular than Biden in Texas, so could easily be the VP nominee.

[Horizens]

33. That's Just Plain Silly

If he could carry the state for Biden, he'd obviously win the senate seat. Anyway, the ticket won't be two white males.

[Merlot]

49. When you can't defend the facts, attack the messanger.

"just plain silly"

[Horizens]

54. Wimpy Response

No one attacked you, the messenger. I wrote that you wrote was "just plain silly". Claiming an opposing view is a personal attack is just plain wimpy.

[Celerity]

51. there's nothing 'obvious' about that. Beto could help deliver TX at VPOTUS level, yet potentially

be thrashed versus Cornyn (who is vastly more popular than Cruz.)

Tester won the Senate in a state that went massively for Rump. Manchin did the same (even more so) in WV. Voters split their tickets all the time.

[treestar]

52. It can be two white males

No one wants a spot on the ticket just for their gender or race.

[left-of-center2012]

4. I disagree

I think he should buy an old VW bus and
travel the country drumming up support
in a "people's campaign".

[Horizens]

34. "People's Campaign ?

Any political movement/slogan in the U.S. with "People's" in it is a loser. Know your history.

[left-of-center2012]

35. "Know your history."

[OldDem65]

5. Just based on how he has stepped up to be a real leader the last few days

It's going to be really difficult for him to be a Senator from the oval office. There just isn't any denying it. Mr. O'Rourke has proven that he is up to the job and has superior leadership qualities. I'd happily vote for this young man.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Beto moved mountains this morning

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/o-rourke-el-paso-made-safer-stronger-because-of-immigrants-65324101823

[JI7]

7. he could give us Texas' electoral votes as presidential nominee

[OldDem65]

8. I agree

especially after the terror attack on Texas soil. Texas is ground zero for the fight against Trump. Kids in cages, eminent domain theft of property for a dumb wall, racism and terror. O'Rourke has been strong for Texas and I think they will show up for him.

[Skittles]

29. "Texas is ground zero in the fight against Trump"

I haven't thought about it but I do believe you are correct, OldDem65 - now it seems that how goes Texas, so goes the nation

[Amimnoch]

16. Not only the EC votes, but a +1 senate seat.

We already have a strong candidate running for Senate in MJ Hegar.

We gained several house seats because of Beto's Senate run (my own district with Lizzie Fletcher to name just 1)

MJ Hegar has a tough fight in unseating Cornyn. We throw Beto on our national ticket and Texas is definitely going to be the hottest battleground in the country.

[treestar]

53. Then he'd have won the Senate seat

How would it be different for the Presidency? People are much more ideological now - people won't go from red to blue or vice versa just for a state son.

[OBrien]

9. What about all those Senators running?

Why is that I hear repeated calls for Beto to drop out and run for Senate but the Senators running are just fine? Aren’t they putting that seat in jeopardy?

[essadaw]

10. Why settle for just 1 Senate Seat?

He could deliver us the Presidency by taking Texas electoral votes. And he's proven to have downballot coattails in 2018--as the presidential nominee, he would have coattails for all of the Senate races. The Texas poll that has him thumping Trump had a breakout with Independents and he was doing great with Independents. All solid Democratic voters will vote for the Democratic nominee. We need a nominee that also inspires independents and infrequent/non-voters--and Beto's straight talk appeals to these voters.

Beto has the potential to politically wipe-out the Republican party.

[Horizens]

13. He's Not Going to be the Nominee.

Beto is not going to win the nomination. He's easily the strongest Dem candidate to run for the TX senate seat and would likely help capture the pres. electoral votes.

[OldDem65]

14. He has celebrities calling on people to donate to him and posting about him

I've seen many people say they have decided to vote for him and have even seen people say they are switching from supporting other candidates. I think it is because over the last two days he has been more effective in attacking Trump and setting the narrative of the conversation than any others have been able to do up to now. That's a pretty big deal.

I think the last two days have changed everything in the race.

[cwydro]

32. Who are all these people you have "seen say" they are switching to him?

And which celebrities?

[OldDem65]

39. Seen some Bernie supporters and Biden supporters say it and many just say they now support him

but didn't mention if or who they supported before.

And Alyssa Milano is the first one that comes to mind. Rhianna also followed Beto on Instagram and made a post about Trump. There have been athletes and lots of blue check accounts, lots of people of color with blue checks.

That video of him in Milano's tweet went viral.

Here is the tweet from Alyssa Milano and she has 3.61 million followers.

Link to tweet

[cwydro]

40. Yes, I saw hers.

Seems Buttigieg has more of the Hollywood crowd.

Really, I actually don’t give a damn about celebrities and whom they support. I don’t think most people do. So many celebrities don’t even seem to bother to vote.

Kanye, Kaepernick, and even my fave Serena didn’t bother to vote last time. Sad.

[RLG]

56. Serena Williams is a Jehovah's Witness.

They do not vote.

[essadaw]

17. Why not let the primary process play out?

If only we had a process where people could vote on whether he should be the nominee...Oh wait, we do.

I understand supporters of many other candidates (as well as Trump supporters and Russian bots but I hope none of those are on this forum) would love for him to drop out, but his supporters would be very disappointed.

Texas has excellent candidates for Senate. My preference is MJ Hegar. If you truly care about Texas Senate and aren't just concern trolling, check them out and donate to one of them. Beto is not dropping out and you are just hurting the campaigns of the fabulous women running by implying that they aren't capable.

[Horizens]

18. Because

he won't be the nominee and it will be too late for him to enter the senatorial race in TX.

[essadaw]

21. He's not going to run for Senate

He has said supportive things about MJ. It is not in his character to push her out of the race. All you are doing by pushing this attack is hurting MJ's chances of beating Cornyn.

[Horizens]

23. It's not an attack

it's a desire to win the presidency and the senate. He's not going to be president

[essadaw]

24. It is an attack started by Republicans and then echoed by other candidate supporters

Give it up--Beto is running for President. He isn't dropping out. Your preferred candidate will have to win fair and square.

[Horizens]

31. BS

I've never heard a republican express this and doubt you can provide a source.

[OldDem65]

26. If you really want Democrats to win the Senate you ought to support people who are actually running

Instead of wasting time and energy on someone who isn't. Pardon me, but that tactic just doesn't seem very smart.

[Horizens]

36. More Silliness

My post will have ZERO affect on MJ"s chances. How do come up with such nonsense?

[liskddksil]

11. Or we can support one of the fantastic candidates already running

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like MJ Heger. Beto is needed on the Presidential ticket to turn Texas blue, and changing the Electoral map forever, and help the Senate candidate over the line.

[OldDem65]

15. MJ Hegar called Cornyn out on that "don't have the answers" tweet he made

People should support her! She's feisty!

Link to tweet

[Amimnoch]

20. Yep! This!

I don't think some realize just how strong the sentiment of "nationalism" runs in Texas.

Put a "Texan" against a "New Yorker" and there will be several % points right off the top. Ridiculous, but true. There IS a small percentage of Texans who would come out to vote for Beto just on that ridiculous metric. He only needs 2% better than he did against Cruz, and Cruz beat Trump during the primaries 43.76% to 26.75%.. 17% Cruz beat out Trump vs less than 2% vs Beto.

It's basic election math:
Democratic party base in Texas + Voters who will vote just because he's Texan + voters being turned out by MJ Hegar's running = Texas EC votes going to us.

[essadaw]

22. Plus presidential year turnout vs midterm

Presidential year turnout will be even higher than Beto was able to get in teh midterm.

[TexasTowelie]

25. Oh, another one of these Beto should withdraw threads.

Beto knows what he is doing and he doesn't need your advice. Republicans are scared of Beto which is why they have done everything possible to hurt his candidacy.

Anything could happen over the next 5-6 months, particularly when two of the lead candidates are men that are in their upper 70s. Beto's response to this tragedy shows his effectiveness as a leader and this could be the beginning of his rise in the polls.

[RLG]

30. Why do you bring up this meme?

Why don't you tell Julian Castro to drop out and run for the Senate in Texas? Or tell Hickenlooper to drop out and run for the Senate in Colorado? Or tell Buttigieg to drop out and run for Governor in Indiana? Or tell Warren or Sanders to stay in the Senate or their seats will go to Republicans?

Enough is enough. Beto is in the race whether you like it or not.

Also, there are qualified candidates running for the Senate in Texas, including MJ Hegar who nearly defeated a sitting Republican Congressman.

[Horizens]

37. Why do I Bring up this Meme?

Because I want to win the Senate and Beto is our best chance in TX. Hickenlooper and Buttigeig should run for the senate. Warren and Sanders have realistic shots at being the Dem Pres. nominee.

If we don't win the Senate, we won't achieve anything close to the dramatic changes that have to happen in this country.

[OldDem65]

41. Only people who actually run can be the best shot at winning

Aren't we supposed to support Democrats who are running for office over those who aren't? How much you are pushing this makes no logical sense at all. It's counterproductive.

[OldDem65]

42. OK, I think I know the source since you mentioned who you support

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David Sirota tweeted yesterday trying to push O'Rourke to run for Senate. I don't trust that guy one bit and it was really rude of Sirota to post something like that amid a horrible tragedy. You really should stop.

[JI7]

43. Sanders supporters are in Betos pages saying Sanders spoke out before Beto

[Horizens]

44. HorseHockey

There have been hundreds of political posts since the horrible tragedy. Have you called those posters rude or are you just trying silence someone with a view you oppose?

[OldDem65]

45. I'm just trying to understand why you aren't supporting one of the Democrats running

It's very important not to throw your support behind people who won't be on the ballot. That's just not what good Democrats do.

[Horizens]

46. Like you

I'm undecided. I was very disappointed that Sherrod Brown chose not to run and I'd really like to see Inslee in the next debate but that ain't going to happen.

[OldDem65]

47. I'm not so sure I'm undecided anymore

Young Mr. O'Rourke has impressed me a great deal over the last few days. While Trump was off playing golf, O'Rourke rose to the occasion and stepped into the leadership role. I think this will change everything in this race. I'm going to watch him on Chris Cuomo here shortly. If he impresses me I may have made my choice.

[Horizens]

48. Issues

I'm undecided until I have an understanding of how each candidate stands on

climate change
the tax code
health care
Sanctioning Russia/foreign interference in policy and elections
Immigration
Voting rights

also will consider electability.

[dalton99a]

50. I want Beto to drop out Right Fucking Now!!!

Leave. Get Out and Stay Out!!!

Go back to Texas and kick MJ Hegar out of the race!

He must make the announcement TODAY!!!!

[MustLoveBeagles]

61. ROFLMAO

[OldDem65]

62. I've seen tweets from people closely tied to three different campaigns pushing it

I wish the candidates would forbid it because it looks bad no matter the timing, but right now when the victims haven't even been buried yet it just horrendous and callous.

[MustLoveBeagles]

63. Three? Wow!

I agree that it's poor form and it gains nothing for their candidate. My hope is that Beto is ignoring those tweets.

[OldDem65]

65. Yes, and people are taking screenshots and calling it out loudly

The ones I saw circulating was a staff member for Bernie Sanders (some David something or other I think), a Pete Buttigieg fundraiser or donor with a last name of Olin or Odin or something like that. The last one really disappointed me. It was a family member of Kamala Harris. I think people were saying it was her niece or something. There is a lot of anger and hurt from O'Rourke supporters in Texas, especially those in El Paso. Guess we all know which campaigns won't ever get any Beto caucus goers if he doesn't have enough people at any point.

[MustLoveBeagles]

66. As they should

This is disappointing but not surprising. The calls for him to drop out don't usually bother me but it's hitting a raw nerve for me right now. It would've been nice if people had given it a rest for a week or two.

[Skittles]

64. thank you

so tired of people telling Beto where to go