Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumE Warren Appreciation Thread: "We are the Democrats."
"We are not about trying to take away health care from anyone."Thank you for that, Senator Warren. Some people need reminding of exactly what our party is about and the big ideas that we've fought for and put into practice for generations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RainCaster
(10,912 posts)Here's the link
Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) distinguished themselves during Tuesday nights Democratic Party presidential primary debate in Detroit, pulling away from the pack. Nobody else broke through. Sanders and Warren both know what they believe and they can express it without appearing phony, rehearsed or synthetic. They stood apart from the other candidates on the stage: From one to 10, heres how the competitors emerged from the first of two nights of debates on CNN:
(my summary)
1. Elizabeth Warren - "the best natural candidate in the field"
2. Bernie Sanders - actually well spoken
3. Mayor Pete - thoughtful and well organized, but he's not it
4. Amy Klobuchar - consistently in the weeds
5. Beto - we are not in Texas anymore
6-9 (who cares)
10. Marianne Williamson (She spoke a lot of words, but she said nothing)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)The 'it factor' indeed. I guess time will tell.
Tonight's debate was very good too. The gloves came off. The media spin is off, of course.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)Go Liz!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,036 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
monmouth4
(9,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,649 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zentrum
(9,865 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,372 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)Did you hear Warren say that she was tired of hearing Republican talking points regarding health care. I'm pretty stupid but that was a big shot at the Democrats on the stage.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It's unclear to me what you're driving at, but I can tell you that I have yet to hear her call the Democratic party "feeble" or "corrupt". She has never suggested that there's no difference between the Democrats and the GOP. I also haven't heard her say that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". She never gives any indication that she holds great contempt for the party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Moral Compass
(1,525 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Scotch-Irish
(464 posts)Democrats just couldn't go wrong with her. She can hold her own against anyone, because
#1 She knows what she's talking about
#2 She loves her country
#3 She knows what's right
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Karadeniz
(22,564 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
silentEcho
(424 posts)who I am presently supporting, is being claimed by the "Sanders coalition" far left that damaged the party and elections in 2016. I am supporting a Democrat that is aligned with our other Democratic Leaders. If they continue this game, I can easily switch my support to Harris, Guttigieg, Klobuchar and even Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as theirs, just as Repubs claim Lincoln. That's just something that comes with being the only party with admirable and occasionally genuinely great leaders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
silentEcho
(424 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)find offensive power over you. Maybe you could consider sympathizing? A tiny bit? It can't be easy watching the one wonderful candidate (the only one who can save us from whatever disaster is currently impending) always lose to terrible ones, every election, decade after decade.
Personally, I don't want to see what'll happen when Sanders turns on her. She is a committed establishment Democrat, after all. He has a lifetime of contempt and zero tolerance for them all, no matter how he's hugging and smiling to appropriate some of her approval right now. But, I just won't read all the spewing that'll be inevitable. Problem solved.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
silentEcho
(424 posts)My sympathy sits with all that is being hurt today.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,440 posts)gets my vote for line-of-the-night!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Saviolo
(3,283 posts)It was awfully rude of her to murder Delaney in front of all those people like that!
Someone even edited Delaney's Wikipedia page last night:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAxLpAaXUAAjhzL?format=jpg&name=small
Link to tweet
?s=20
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calimary
(81,440 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"We are the Democrats." I loved her for saying that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AllyCat
(16,216 posts)I couldn't watch as I was working, but BBC was reporting on her performance last night on the drive home...fantastic!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
paleotn
(17,946 posts)Allowing it to remain so damn expensive, only the well employed or wealthy can afford it. Or, allowing American families to be forced into bankruptcy in order to save the life of a family member.
I think the country needs to be reminded daily what our party is about. What it's really about. AND what our opposition is about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)she wouldn't admit that M4A would mean an increase of taxes.
She kept saying it would lower costs.
I know what she was trying to say... yes your taxes will go up, but you total costs will go down because you or your employer will not pay for private insurance AND you will get similar care for less total out of your pocket (co-pays, prescriptions, etc).
All of which might be true ON THE AVERAGE... but for specific people with little or almost no health care issues... they will probably pay more and it will be in the form of higher taxes. Corporations will pay higher taxes too but without the burden of paying for those private insurance plans... probably close to a wash for them.
And people will be covered no matter what happens to them job wise, etc.
But that is hard to explain in a sound bite... she needs a sound bite that explains this concept to folks like Matthews and she needs to say "yes, taxes will go up BUT your total cost will be lower". She just couldn't say "taxes will be higher" because she knows the media and the repukes will nail her with that tag line.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)No it wasn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)especially when it was hammered at her... she would just say "the cost would be lower" and without the explanation it appeared that she was avoiding admitting the truth
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)It's not her problem to support or affirm their fragmented misrepresentations and self promoting ignorance.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapfog_1
(29,219 posts)get that... unfortunately they aren't the only ones that vote... and there are many more average to less than average people (some willfully uninformed so there is no reaching them) who vote
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)she was trolling the media for being obsessed with baiting. The increase in taxes will be offset by waving out of pocket costs for health care so the net amount of money a family gets to keep would be higher. The main tax increase will be on 1% or less. She actually sold MFA to me as I wasnt on board and preferred public option as a bridge. But if you start with public option as a negotiating point, youll end up with status quo. If you start with MFA, maybe youll get public option first.
She made most dems look like chicken afraid of repubs (embarassing).
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)that's why I'm hanging by a thread.
Who all are we allowed to bash besides Bernie, Tulsi, and Marianne Williamson? (sarcasm)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lapucelle
(18,305 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)She laid it on the line like nobody's business!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)Hope the Media via CNN Mods learned this last night. As well as some of her fellow candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,598 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DCofVA
(714 posts)She exceeded them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)After all these crappy, horrible repub presidents - don't we deserve someone this good?
Come on! We deserve Elizabeth Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Wizard
(12,547 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden