Gillibrand Preparing Attack on Biden

[DavidDvorkin]

They don’t want to talk about it, but the struggling Kirsten Gillibrand campaign appears to have spent a lot of time Googling Joe Biden as of late. The New York senator has publicly —and cryptically — alluded to unnamed Democratic candidates who ‘do not believe necessarily that it’s a good idea that women work outside the home.’

https://politicalwire.com/2019/07/28/gillibrand-preparing-attack-on-biden/

[ucrdem]

1. Oh this is going to be comical.

I'm glad Joe has a sense of humor.

[democratisphere]

2. WTF is THIS about?!

Democrats attacking Democrats is no way to endear yourself to voters.

[pazzyanne]

10. That's for sure!

Attacks are a sure way to lose this voter.

[treestar]

24. And Gillibrand is already pretty much in the doghouse

The media rewarded Harris for that behavior but the voters didn't.

[PatSeg]

45. Apparently she will never learn

Mind-boggling.

[Butterflylady]

53. Right on!

And to think as president she would be making decisions that concern our country. That alone is a very scary thought. No way would I trust anything she would say or do.

[Hekate]

58. I would not go that far, by any means. She's still miles better than the one we've got now. nt

[PatSeg]

81. True

But really, who isn't miles better than the one we've got now?

[PatSeg]

82. I never really cared much for her

but because at the time, I couldn't put my finger on why, I thought I might be reading something that wasn't there. I was open to the possibility that I was wrong. Then her call for Franken to resign confirmed my initial gut feeling. I don't really trust her either.

[Thekaspervote]

3. Oh yeah... as if Joe Biden ever promoted women staying at home... give me a break!

[Drunken Irishman]

4. Here's Biden's comments on that matter.

From 1981:

I think it is a sad commentary on this society when we say, as a matter of social policy, that we should make it easier for people who have neither the financial necessity nor the personal need to forget their responsibility to take care of a child all day from the time the child is an infant until the time he or she gets in school. I do not care whether in a modern marriage you want the man or the woman to take that responsibility. That has to be resolved by each couple individually. ...

So what we are doing now as a social policy, is saying, “Here, drop them off at 8 o’clock in the morning and pick them up at 3 o’clock in the afternoon, because I want a new patio; because I want to go on vacation; because I want to expand my horizon.” As a social policy I think it is undesirable and wrong.

Biden did not oppose the child tax credit - he supported it for couples making less than $30,000 (about $88,000 in today’s terms). The amendment he voted against benefited people earning more than $30,000.

Biden offered his own amendment to eliminate the credit for couples making a combined income of more than $30,000. Single parents would have had no cap.

Biden said this:

In his floor remarks on July 28 of that year, Biden framed his argument in personal terms. He noted that his own Senate salary was $60,000, and his current wife, Jill Biden, made $15,000 as a teacher.

“It is outrageous to make my father, who makes less than $20,000 a year, to pay a tax to see to it that I can put my child in a day care center. I think that is preposterous,” he said, using his father as a stand-in for the U.S. taxpayer. “If my wife and I want to do that, no one should be able to stop us. ... But my father should not pay for that.”

Here's a whole article on it where I took these quotes:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-child-care-tax-credit_n_5d39fc3be4b004b6adbcee1f

So, it looks like Gillibrand is revving up for a disingenuous attack.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Let's see first which of Biden's past positions KG is vetting.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[customerserviceguy]

8. I figured

she'd go after Biden on the Hyde Amendment.

In any case, this week's debates are strongly going to resemble a circular firing squad.

[Cha]

7. Wow.. another disingenous attack

on Biden from the last tier. Shocking.

Well Biden should be ready for that one since it's in the news.

[PatSeg]

47. Maybe she's trying to move DOWN

even farther, if that is possible.

Hope she wasn't expecting the eventual nominee to pick her as a running mate. She is running out of bridges to burn.

[MustLoveBeagles]

66. She's telegraphing it

Not very smart. At least Kamala had the element of surprise. Say what you will about Beto, but he doesn't go after other democrats like this.

[Cha]

67. Oh that's one of

the best reasons I like Beto!

MustLoveBeagles!

[treestar]

25. that is pretty bad, because it presumes middle class statuts

about the patio. Poor women have always worked. But it is 1981, a time now not relevant. See how far back they have to go to come up with something bad.

[rzemanfl]

31. Gee, that's not quite as bad as hopping on a Repuke ratfucking

attack.

[NBachers]

6. Followed by her blockbuster announcement of Tulsi Gabbard as her running mate.

Susan Collins turned her down.

[PatSeg]

48. Oh now, that's mean

Hilarious though!

[dchill]

9. Desperado...

Why don't you come to your senses?

[quickesst]

11. my best scenario....

.... Would be to let her get the full on attack she has planned out. The moderator then asks "Mr. Biden, would you care to respond?" Joe turns to Kirsten gillibrand, pauses for 5 seconds, smiles, then calmly utters two words.........Al Franken.

[Cha]

12. omg!

I've read the responders only have 30 seconds so that would be plenty of time.

[quickesst]

13. haha

I wonder if he really did it, would the other candidates on stage be able to keep a straight face? Or the audience and moderators?

[Cha]

14. All pure speculation..

but it's fun to imagine since it sounds like she's going for dirty tricks.. I could be wrong..

Background from Drunken Irishman..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=214559

Prove me wrong, Gillibrand!

It might be perfect, though.. bringing up what she did to Franken and seemingly proud of it.

quickesst

[quickesst]

15. yep

I know it won't happen, but it doesn't stop me imagining it. I'm out.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. By other candidates do you mean Booker and Harris

who both called for Franken to resign the very same day.

[quickesst]

23. Sure I did

I asked if the other candidates would be able to keep a straight face. I'm sure their reaction would reflect their feelings on the issue. Anything else?

[Trumpocalypse]

32. But their feelings on the issue

was exactly the same as Gillibrand.

[quickesst]

33. It seems as if you are struggling....

.... to make a case for an argument. Is there anything I can do to help you? Perhaps if you could be a tad more concise?

Before you reply, you do understand that my original post was done tongue and cheek, and not meant to offend anyone here. If you understand that, and would like to continue, please carry on.

[Trumpocalypse]

36. Not struggling at all

Just trying to understand the double standard and hypocrisy.

[quickesst]

40. Once again....

It seems as if you are struggling
.... to make a case for an argument. Is there anything I can do to help you? Perhaps if you could be a tad more concise?

I can't help you if you don't take my suggestion and clarify your accusation. I'm going to eat a bowl of cereal. That should give you plenty of time to provide me something to work with.

I just remembered that I've run into you before, and if memory serves, it did not turn out well for you then. I can almost guarantee the same results this time.

[Trumpocalypse]

46. Once again

not struggling. Nor making an accusation, just stating facts.

[quickesst]

52. Hahaha

If I have committed such a huge faux pas why are you the only one crying about it?
Just stating facts? A prosecutor can point at a defendant and state as a fact that he or she is a murderer, but it doesn't mean shit without a trial proving so. You have got to do better than this because I'm not having any fun at all.

[Trumpocalypse]

56. Sorry you're not having fun

but it is a fact that Harris and Booker called for Franken to resign.

[quickesst]

59. So what?

I still don't know what you're talking about.😕

[Trumpocalypse]

62. Just stating a fact

Sorry if it bothers you so much.

[quickesst]

63. Hahaha

I don't know how it can bother me if I don't know what you're talkin about. As in the last time we ran into each other, I think you may be one of those people who deny miserable failure, and somehow convince yourself that you we're successful. I know someone else who does that a lot.

[Trumpocalypse]

64. Sounds like you're projecting

[quickesst]

68. Hell.....

I'm still trying to figure out whether I should be bothered or not.

[Trumpocalypse]

69. That depends on

how you feel about facts.

[quickesst]

70. I like facts

Problem is, I haven't heard one yet. Well, from your side of the conversation anyway.

[Trumpocalypse]

71. Are you saying that

Harris and Booker didn’t call for Franken to resign. That is a fact. BTW So did Warren and Sanders.

[quickesst]

72. I didn't say that....

....and you know it. Keep repeating your fantasy, but I doubt you will find the audience in here the other guy finds so easily out there.

[Trumpocalypse]

73. But it is not a fantasy

It is a fact that Harris, Warren, Sanders and Booker all called for Franken to resign.

[quickesst]

74. It is also a fact....

.... that I never said they didn't, as the fantasy you're living in suggests.

[Trumpocalypse]

75. But I never said that you didn't

I'm just stating the fact that they did.

[quickesst]

79. OK....

Well....

[Trumpocalypse]

80. You're welcome

But speaking the truth is never pointless.

[quickesst]

83. "But speaking the truth is never pointless."

Water is wet. 🤔

[Trumpocalypse]

84. Agreed

[quickesst]

85. Until next time......

[Trumpocalypse]

86. Hasty la vista

[madaboutharry]

16. Jill Biden has always worked.

She is a professor at a community college. She worked the entire time Biden was VP. So I don’t get it if Gillibrand is talking about Joe Biden.

[Cha]

17. I know.. I was thinking of

Dr. Jill Biden, too.

Thank You for that.

[wyldwolf]

18. how does someone polling 1-2% think this helps?

My guess is she (and Booker) are doing someone else's dirty work.

[PatSeg]

49. That dawned on me as well

Being neither of them can go much lower, what is the point in attacking a frontrunner?

[Trumpocalypse]

19. Bad idea!

The candidates shouldn't be attacking each other. I didn't like it when Harris didn't last time and don't like this either.

[still_one]

35. Debating where candidates stand on the issues today is fair game, but if she is doing internet

searches that isn’t what this is about though

[Trumpocalypse]

37. True

But there is a way to do that without attacking someone personally as Harris did.

[still_one]

38. You nailed it Trumpocalypse!!!

[Gothmog]

21. Who cares what she thinks?

Gillibrand is in her last DNC debate

[nini]

22. Doesn't Jill Biden work outside the home?

I'm guessing if he was a jerk about it he wouldn't be married to such a strong independent woman.

Gillibrand makes me sick.

[Peacetrain]

26. Oh Lord.. really.. well why am I not surprised..

sometimes you just have to wonder what the point of a campaign by some is.. is it to win, or so smear someone else so that no one can win.. just my thoughts

[treestar]

27. How nice of her to give him a chance to prepare!

How is it known what she is googling?

[rzemanfl]

28. Good lord, wasn't Franken enough? n/t

[Polly Hennessey]

29. Ask Dr. Jill Biden.

Believe she has always had a career. Ms. Gillibrand, you cannot climb out of the hole but you can make it deeper.

[no_hypocrisy]

30. Biden's wife is a doctor. How is Gillibrand going to reconcile that?

[still_one]

34. No surprise. She was one of the leading cheerleaders trying to push Franken out.

[Funtatlaguy]

39. KG is great at making mole hills into mountains

[tritsofme]

41. Does she want to be as irrelevant as a senator as she is as a presidential candidate?

When your campaign has already failed, why throw dirt at the man likely to be president after next year?

[The Blue Flower]

42. Everytime I see her, I think of Reese Witherspoon in the film "Election"

The character ran a dirty campaign to become student body president.

[DavidDvorkin]

43. Excellent comparison.

[SouthernProgressive]

44. Attacking Biden on womens issues is going to backfire dramatically.

Maybe Gillibrand is looking to help Biden.

[madville]

50. Does she have T-shirts ready to sell also?

She can maybe also say "I was that woman" or something during the debate.

I guess her and Booker will follow Harris's lead and attack Joe, will be glad when those three eventually drop out.

[stonecutter357]

51. good let's go Joe !

[bitterross]

54. She's starting to look like a misandrist.

Time to back your bags and go home Kirsten.

[wyldwolf]

55. Quarterbacks who stare down receivers seldom put points on the board.

[Hekate]

57. Not supporting women outside the home? Tell that to Jill Biden, PhD...

Increasingly I just want to tell Kirsten to piss off.

Yes, yes, yes, if she's the last one standing I will certainly vote for her.

[Trenzalore]

60. He is expecting it

She will fall flat on her face if she tries to one line Biden.

[Vegas Roller]

61. This is akin to

a terminally ill cancer patient who gets shot with multiple bullets and then develops a severe infection about to get into toxic shock --- and then said patient chooses to take cyanide as a last ditch effort to survive.

[MustLoveBeagles]

65. I knew it

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=214311

[samplegirl]

76. Playing right into the GOPs

hands. This lady is horrible!

[ecstatic]

77. I only want to hear about the future in the debates.

Anyone dredging up the past to score cheap shots (and divide democrats) will not get my vote.

[lapucelle]

78. Snooping and sleuthing at Axios!

The intrigue: [...] an account on the site newspapers.com that appears to be linked to her campaign has been gathering news articles about the former vice president's stance on the child tax credit in the '80s. (The newspaper.com account and related Twitter account appear to have been taken down after we approached the Gillibrand campaign for comment.)

--- The account belongs to somebody called wilcox8405. Gillibrand employs a researcher named Alexandra Wilcox.

--- This newspaper clipping service shows which articles its users save. By default, clippings users save are made public unless they change their settings to render them private.

--- The wilcox8405 account — which doesn't show the user’s full name — appears to be the Gillibrand staffer because the account has a Gillibrand article clipped and also articles from 1981 about Biden's vote against expanding the child tax credit.

---Wilcox8405 clipped these Biden articles on July 11 and 12, indicating that Gillibrand's team has been preparing this attack on Biden for more than 2 weeks.

When we asked Gillibrand's campaign about all of this, spokesperson Meredith Kelly said: "Kirsten believes we need to have a broader and more intentional conversation about valuing women in this country and even this primary, and she intends to do so in the coming days. Stay tuned."

https://www.axios.com/democrats-prepare-detroit-debates-biden-attacks-a68c17d9-104e-4e6c-8f2d-1e50d12dce95.html

We need more serious journalists.