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question everything

(47,487 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:15 PM Jul 2019

Kamala Harris Is Now the Candidate to Beat - WSJ op-ed

By Gerard Baker Editor at Large

(snip)

It’s an especially curious state because I suspect that, if we weren’t all talking about the squad right now, we would be talking incessantly about Kamala Harris. There’s not much doubt that the California senator has suddenly become the sensation of the primary season so far. In the space of a month she has traveled from the crowded middle of the distant second tier of candidates to, arguably perhaps, the front of the front. It’s difficult to recall such a sudden shift of fortunes in a primary contest absent an actual primary or caucus vote.

The polling speaks for itself. In the Real Clear Politics polling average, her score has almost doubled from around 7% before the first Democratic debate to just under 13%. But that national poll picture doesn’t fully capture the momentum she has established in the early primary states of Iowa and New Hampshire. It must be noted that she still trails Joe Biden in all the polls. But it’s not easy to find a thoughtful Democrat outside the Biden camp who sees an easy way for the former vice president to pull out of his free fall since his widely panned performance in the first debate.

(snip)

Nicolas Checa, a pollster and political consultant and managing director of McLarty Associates, says the Democratic race is evolving into a contest between advocates for remedies to what he calls the two inequalities. The first concerns gender, race and sexual identity. The second is economic. Ms. Harris has jumped ahead in the fight to win the first contest. That’s why her take-down of Mr. Biden at the first Democratic debate on the race issue was so effective. On the issue of economic inequality, Sen. Elizabeth Warren is forging steadily ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders.

(snip)

What could stop her? So far she hasn’t yet made much headway with black voters, who for the time being are mostly remaining loyal to Mr. Biden; he wins support by reminding everyone he served alongside President Barack Obama for eight years. But if Mr. Biden does fade, Ms. Harris may win over that support... One experienced Democratic figure who’s signed on to the Harris campaign says the bigger risk to her prospects may be a temptation to push herself out to the left—especially if she’s in a final battle with Ms. Warren.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/kamala-harris-is-now-the-candidate-to-beat-11563556667 (paid subscription)

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Kamala Harris Is Now the Candidate to Beat - WSJ op-ed (Original Post) question everything Jul 2019 OP
Great opinion page, lol. BootinUp Jul 2019 #1
The interesting thing is that, so far, most of the comments - question everything Jul 2019 #3
Seems rather premature to put it mildly... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #2
I can't read the whole piece but I feel very certain Kamala Harris will win wasupaloopa Jul 2019 #4
California primary is not winner-take-all. It's proportional... Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #41
At this point in time, Kamala Harris would be Trump's choice. crazytown Jul 2019 #5
If she wins the nomination, Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #8
He doesn't have to customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #12
But I still think he will. Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #20
"since his widely panned performance in the first debate" bluewater Jul 2019 #6
Biden's problem long term, as I see it Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #9
Many, if not most of the lower tiered candidates customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #13
Not even if he start talking about love? question everything Jul 2019 #29
In politics, love means the same thing customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #43
Right now, the lower-tiered candidates make up only 13% of the vote... Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #16
That math left out the 28% undecided. bluewater Jul 2019 #19
Yes but the question wasn't about undecideds. It was about the lesser candidates. Drunken Irishman Jul 2019 #21
Thanks for the Discssion. bluewater Jul 2019 #23
Biden is the favored second choice candidate with Sanders supporters and others as well Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #26
Sanders supporters I have met, some in my own family Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #30
Sounds like lots of wishful thinking from Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal. emulatorloo Jul 2019 #11
free fall lol. is this written by the harris campaign. nt msongs Jul 2019 #14
Obama's first debate against Romney was "widely panned". Guess how that turned out. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #18
Exactly, The 2nd debate is CRUCIAL for the Biden Campaign. bluewater Jul 2019 #22
Not as much trouble as you'd like. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #24
No need to get personal. bluewater Jul 2019 #25
You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2019 #27
Proceed, governor. n/t Mr.Bill Jul 2019 #31
I'm one of those African American women who is not on the underthematrix Jul 2019 #7
Good point- they do use racial grievances in their campaigns.To me not agood quality in a president Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #35
+1,000,000 Skya Rhen Jul 2019 #42
Love how the right snowybirdie Jul 2019 #10
The WSJ customerserviceguy Jul 2019 #15
Gerald Baker also wrote this op-ed question everything Jul 2019 #33
No shit.... LakeArenal Jul 2019 #36
Kick mcar Jul 2019 #17
the title is most likely true. Kurt V. Jul 2019 #28
We'll see who she takes a knife to in the next debate samir.g Jul 2019 #32
Yahhh! Thekaspervote Jul 2019 #34
All the polls are too early.. But a right leaning paper... and bam... Not so early for opinions.... LakeArenal Jul 2019 #37
Well, that's one man's opinion left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #38
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jul 2019 #39
Thank you, Rupert Murdoch, for letting us know. NNadir Jul 2019 #40
 

question everything

(47,487 posts)
3. The interesting thing is that, so far, most of the comments -
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:26 PM
Jul 2019

they are readers of the WSJ after all - disagree with this oped...


If I were to vote in a presidential
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hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
2. Seems rather premature to put it mildly...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:24 PM
Jul 2019

Maybe wait and see how everyone does after (only the) SECOND debate? Geez

Yes, she's impressive, but wow.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
4. I can't read the whole piece but I feel very certain Kamala Harris will win
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:29 PM
Jul 2019

the nomination after Super Tuesday. We Californians will put her over the top.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Skya Rhen

(2,701 posts)
41. California primary is not winner-take-all. It's proportional...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. At this point in time, Kamala Harris would be Trump's choice.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jul 2019

He is wanting to run against the squad, and would co-opt Harris as a member.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
8. If she wins the nomination,
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:49 PM
Jul 2019

I predict Trump will break out the N word.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
12. He doesn't have to
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jul 2019

He has plenty of dog whistles that mean the same thing.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
20. But I still think he will.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jul 2019

That's the level he will be at by that time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
6. "since his widely panned performance in the first debate"
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:31 PM
Jul 2019

"But it’s not easy to find a thoughtful Democrat outside the Biden camp who sees an easy way for the former vice president to pull out of his free fall since his widely panned performance in the first debate."

The next debate is make or break for the Biden Campaign. Another disappointing debate performance will lower his support from ~25% now down to the teens.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
9. Biden's problem long term, as I see it
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:51 PM
Jul 2019

is when the lower tiered candidates drop out, who will the people who support them go to? Unfortunately, I don't see many of them going to Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
13. Many, if not most of the lower tiered candidates
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:17 PM
Jul 2019

are centrists, and they would go to Biden. Of course, I'm not talking about Williamson or Yang here, but their current support is inconsequential.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,487 posts)
29. Not even if he start talking about love?
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
43. In politics, love means the same thing
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 09:38 PM
Jul 2019

that it does in tennis.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
16. Right now, the lower-tiered candidates make up only 13% of the vote...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jul 2019

And that's including Mayor Pete, who I wouldn't really consider a lower-tier candidate (but I went with any candidate polling with less than 10% nationally).

It's unlikely any of those candidates' supporters go to one candidate. But let's assume they all dropped out today and of that 13%...

5% went to Warren
4% went to Harris
2% went to Biden
2% went to Sanders

That would give Biden 30.4% nationally and Warren would take Sanders' spot at second with 19.6% nationally - still over ten-points behind Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
19. That math left out the 28% undecided.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:35 PM
Jul 2019

Who knows where they will go after the next debate? No one knows... yet.

If Biden has another disappointing debate, they probably won't be getting behind him, would they?

I think not. The undecided haven't supported Biden yet, so it seems likely they would not after another poor debate performance.

Also, Biden dropped in the polls after a poor performance in the first debate, so I think it's fairly safe to say he would drop again in the polls after a second poor performance.

Let's wait for the next debate and see what actually happens with the polls.




If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. Yes but the question wasn't about undecideds. It was about the lesser candidates.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
23. Thanks for the Discssion.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jul 2019

Thanks for sharing your perspective, and thanks for hearing mine.

Let's agree to see what happens as the next debate goes forward.



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
26. Biden is the favored second choice candidate with Sanders supporters and others as well
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
30. Sanders supporters I have met, some in my own family
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jul 2019

pretty much act like they will vote for Sanders if he is in a coma.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)
11. Sounds like lots of wishful thinking from Rupert Murdoch's Wall Street Journal.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:13 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

msongs

(67,420 posts)
14. free fall lol. is this written by the harris campaign. nt
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
18. Obama's first debate against Romney was "widely panned". Guess how that turned out.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jul 2019

Go on....guess.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
22. Exactly, The 2nd debate is CRUCIAL for the Biden Campaign.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

President Obama overwhelmed Romney in their second debate and turned the Presidential race around.

Joe Biden MUST do significantly better in the next debate or his 2020 Primary Campaign is in big trouble.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
24. Not as much trouble as you'd like.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:01 PM
Jul 2019



If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
25. No need to get personal.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jul 2019

"Not as much trouble as you'd like."



We're just talking politics on a political forum.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Tarheel_Dem

(31,235 posts)
27. You Better Believe It!
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
31. Proceed, governor. n/t
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
7. I'm one of those African American women who is not on the
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:46 PM
Jul 2019

the Harris train. She's my senator and I think she's doing a great job. But she's not even in my top five.

It's interesting that both she and #TraitorTrump used racial grievance to improve their poll numbers.

With that said I will support/VOTE for the DEM nominee even if it's her. We're in the most important fight of my lifetime and if we lose this battle we lose everything and everyone we hold dear.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,778 posts)
35. Good point- they do use racial grievances in their campaigns.To me not agood quality in a president
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jul 2019

President Obama NEVER used the race card

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

snowybirdie

(5,229 posts)
10. Love how the right
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jul 2019

tells the Dems what to do. Harris is very impressive, but I think her lack of foreign policy experience will hurt her. She is the product of one state's political process. At least Pres Obama had lived abroad, had an international background and was well traveled. Even though it's California, her experience is in one State.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
15. The WSJ
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jul 2019

is not talking to Dems. They're talking to their right wing country clubber Republicons to "warn" them about Harris, and maybe cover themselves with a little more financial support to Biden to shore him up.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

question everything

(47,487 posts)
33. Gerald Baker also wrote this op-ed
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128758437

Imagine for a moment you’re the ruler of China. You’ve got a master plan to run the world. The main obstacle to your ambitions, of course, is America, shining city on a hill, a nation founded on an ideal—the most inspiring and destabilizing ideal in human history—that all are created equal and that they should be free to pursue their own cause without undue interference or direction from some despotic monarch or party chairman.

This nation, powered by this ideal, rose from upstart to superpower in a little more than a century, and despite proliferating challenges, remains dominant not just militarily and economically but as an idea—a beacon of hope and opportunity for billions of people not fortunate enough to call it home. Mindful of all this, you look across at this great nation and discover that the big question preoccupying the people who control the public conversation there this week is: Should Joe Biden be disqualified from the presidency because he sniffed that woman’s hair?

I have a simple question for you: Is this really happening, people?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
36. No shit....
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:38 PM
Jul 2019

Also as much as they try to ignore it... Franken baggage......

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
28. the title is most likely true.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:11 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

samir.g

(835 posts)
32. We'll see who she takes a knife to in the next debate
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LakeArenal

(28,820 posts)
37. All the polls are too early.. But a right leaning paper... and bam... Not so early for opinions....
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:39 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
38. Well, that's one man's opinion
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:54 PM
Jul 2019

It's from the WSJ 'opinion page'.

I suspect other newspapers have their opinion?

And there's that old expression about 'opinions',
ending in "Everyone's got one".

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NNadir

(33,525 posts)
40. Thank you, Rupert Murdoch, for letting us know.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:22 PM
Jul 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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