Bernie Sanders Says Biden 'Is Sounding Like Donald Trump' on Medicare for All

[DonViejo]

By Tommy Christopher Jul 18th, 2019, 1:30 pm

Independent Vermont Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders compared rival Joe Biden with President Donald Trump, saying that the former vice president “sounds like Donald Trump” on the issue of Sanders’ “Medicare for All” plan.

On Thursday, The New York Times published an article in which Sanders takes a hard shot at Biden over the rollout of his health care plan, which Sanders says distorts his own Medicare for All plan.

“I am disappointed, I have to say, in Joe, who is a friend of mine, really distorting what Medicare for All is about,” Sanders told the NYT Wednesday, adding, “And unfortunately, he is sounding like Donald Trump. He is sounding like the health care industry in that regard.”

Biden name-checked M4A in his health care rollout video, in which he says he “understand(s) the appeal” of the bill, but says “it means getting rid of Obamacare, and I’m not for that.”

And at an Iowa AARP forum on Monday, Biden told the crowd, “I think the transition from having roughly 60 million people … on Medicare now, to add another roughly 300 million people in one fell swoop, … Medicare goes away as you know it,” adding “All the Medicare you have is gone, it’s a new Medicare system.”

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[George II]

1. UNITY PLEDGE, UNITY PLEDGE, UNITY PLEDGE!!!!!!!!

[Gothmog]

82. sanders is again violating his pledge

[NurseJackie]

93. I know, right?

[LakeArenal]

105. I believe I heard him say:

https://m.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. OK, that's just screwed up. No Dem candidate ever should be equating another Dem with Trump

in any way, especially when they are just dead wrong. Biden never said anything of the kind; he's advocating for improvements in the ACA - not even close to what Trump wants, which is a complete repeal of the ACA.

[Uncle Joe]

8. No Dem should be using Republican talking points to distort another

Dem candidate's policy.

If Medicare for All passed, everyone would be covered, if it doesn't; that takes nothing away from existing Medicare and its' coverage.

No American under Medicare is in danger from losing their coverage because of Medicare for All, indeed it would be strengthened and improved, Biden was just trying to mislead and scare the older folks.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. There are legitimate arguments for both positions - MFA and ACA.

Equating Biden's position with Trump's is not one of them. Bernie isn't winning any friends by suggesting that Biden = Trump. Bernie is making me like Biden more and him less.

[Uncle Joe]

15. A legitimate argument from Biden would've been nice.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. He did. And even if he didn't, it's not OK to suggest it's like Trump's.

Bernie is sounding desperate. No Democratic candidate should ever accuse another of advocating Trump positions. But then, Bernie isn't a Democrat.

[Uncle Joe]

23. Distortion and fear-mongering.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. It sure was, and I wish Bernie would stop it.

[George II]

27. And you still support BS?

[George II]

42. How? BS supporters keep saying that, but can't explain it.

[Cha]

113. Yes, BS needs to Stop it.

[George II]

33. A civil response from BS would've been nice. I thought he signed the "Unity Pledge" and....

....bragged about being the first as he cajoled the other candidates to do so?

NO Democrat should ever compare another Democrat to donald trump.

[NurseJackie]

124. Well, there's the problem right there.

[Demsrule86]

75. MFA scraps the ACA and starts over and then plans to force every American on the MFA...

People who have good workplace insurance don't want this...we can build on the ACA and get to universal coverage without the drama and bad feelings MFA would generate...end up just like Clintoncare ...not happening and the party get punished.

[Gothmog]

94. How is sanders going to pay for his plan? How will he get it adopted in the real world?

Why did sanders fail to get this plan adopted in Vermont?

[trueblue2007]

108. Bernie needs to shut his mouth. He is not supposed to be bad mouthing Dems & calling them TRUMPS

That is the same thing he did to Hillary. Bernie took a pledge and he has broken it. I am so upset with him.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

70. There's no legitimate argument that MFA would take away Medicare. And you know it.

[Demsrule86]

77. It would end what is there now...and who knows if seniors would like the end result better...

Biden is correct.

[Cha]

21. BS is Desperate and Wrong and this will come

back to bite him.. like his equating Biden's Plan with Fucking 9/11.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Uncle Joe]

29. The numbers of dead Americans under a facsimile

of the status quo (even before Trump) as compared to Medicare for All will most definitely result in many times more deaths than 9/11.

Whether that stings someone's sensitivities or not it is the cold hard truth.

[Cha]

32. BS is Desperate and he's getting Slammed on

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Twitter from those who aren't even Biden supporters.

"I'm not even a Biden fan, but this is straight up bull sh*t. To state this is irresponsible & a bold faced lie. Like Trump/GOP want to save ACA"

[George II]

43. What Sirota said is vile. That's why he deleted his tweet. It's only July 2019....

....what will they be doing next spring?

[trueblue2007]

110. David Sirota's tweets are just digusting. How can Bernie have a hateful lying man be his spokesman

Bernie needs to cut the HATE crap and come out and speak about HIS OWN OPINIONS AND AGENDAS and not striping the throats of the other Democrats.

I am very very disappointed in Bernie Sanders.

[Cha]

122. The Tweet is back, George.. I don't

know what the hell happened to it. It was Gone and now it's back.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=202541

Not counting on it staying, though.

[AncientGeezer]

106. You can souce that claim....with any reputable study?

[Cha]

121. It has nothing to do with "sensitivities" and Everything

to do with the fucking Vileness of bringing up the "9/11 terrorist attacks" to equate with Biden's Health Plan that builds on ACA.

Don't try to normalize that despicable shite.

[George II]

25. That's totally false. BS and Nina Turner called Biden a liar yesterday. Nobody even KNOWS....

....what's in "Medicare for All", the details haven't even been developed yet.

Saying that Biden used republican talking points is WAY out of line. You should edit or delete.

[Uncle Joe]

31. Did you read the article?

(snip)

On Tuesday, former Hillary Clinton senior adviser and current CNN analyst Jess McIntosh made an observation that was nearly identical to Sanders’ attack on Biden.

McIntosh told the hosts of New Day that Biden was coming “dangerously close to using Republican talking points when talking about Medicare for All.”

“There was a lot of ‘Medicare as you know it will go away, seniors will be left with nothing,’ that sounds suspiciously like Donald Trump,” she said, and added “As long as Biden is trying to appeal to the Democratic base during the primary, they are not going to like him engaging with this topic using that kind of language.”

As Sanders himself has pointed out, Medicare for All would replace the current program with more comprehensive benefits, but as Biden and even supporters of the plan like Senator Kamala Harris have pointed out, would entail a significant transition.

(snip)

https://www.mediaite.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-biden-is-sounding-like-donald-trump-on-medicare-for-all/

[George II]

34. Jess McIntosh isn't another Presidential candidate, BS is. You apparently excuse your candidate...

....for comparing Biden to trump.

Noted.

[Uncle Joe]

36. The truth is the truth no matter the messenger

and Bernie was speaking of Biden's reprehensible tactics, not the man and I believe the same of Clinton's former senior adviser.

[George II]

40. What was "reprehensible"? How about this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287204257

[Control-Z]

59. "Biden's reprehensible tactics"???

What the fuck? I heard what Biden said. He wants to build on the ACA with a public option for everyone who does not have insurance they like. He's talking about adding a public option for a government run insurance - like MFA would offer.

How is Biden's plan reprehensible? What, only Sanders is allowed to have a plan? That is straight up bull shit. And Biden is nothing like Trump. Not a thing. And I believe you should think twice about repeating it. Biden is a great democrat. We don't bash or demean Democrats on this site.

[Cha]

112. NO. It's NOT Biden who has

"reprehensible tactics"

Quit Projecting.

[Cha]

80. Yeah, BS & Nina are So Desperate..

and it's having the opposite effect.

So many who aren't even behind Biden are defending him on Twitterverse.

Here's one good example..

"I'm not even a Biden fan, but this is straight up bull sh*t. To state this is irresponsible & a bold faced lie. Like Trump/GOP want to save ACA"

[trueblue2007]

111. BS and Nina Turner are horrible. Especially Turner.

[FarPoint]

44. All Democratic Candidates.....

Should be Democrats....not Independents....or a temporary Democrat for self serving campaign needs to seek the Presidency. Just my opinion.

When a Democratic Candidate shares this concept as shared by Bernie for Democrats, regarding such repuplican talking points...I tend to be more attentive to the message. I'm focused on our Demicratic Candidates.

[Doitnow]

45. Medicare for All would NOT be done in "one fell swoop." It would be done over 4 years or so

----each year the age you would be eligible for it would be lowered 10 years.

[marylandblue]

66. The way he describes it, that is one fell swoop, as thousands of doctors

and hospitals are suddenly forced to accept lower payments for many of their payments. I'm pretty sure my own doctor would retire immediately. Meanwhile insurers will lose millions of customers and possibly go bankrupt before they are forced to close, leaving people to scramble for coverage.

[marylandblue]

64. No, Biden is correct. The system Bernie describes is not Medicare except in name

And changing healthcare coverage for 300 million people is not without risk. I've considered various scenarios for my own personal situation(which you know nothing about, so don't tell me I'm wrong or misinformed) and it's possible that I would pay more in taxes than I pay now in premiums and copays while my quality and access would go down.

[Gothmog]

85. Exactly how will sanders get this plan passed?

Biden's plan is feasible and does not eliminate the ACA. I would love to know how sanders intends to pass his plan in the real world.

I like living in the real world and Biden's plan can be implemented in the real world

[KPN]

91. Bingo.

[Gothmog]

131. Biden is telling the truth

No Biden supporter is going to switch their support to sanders based on false claims by sanders

[silentEcho]

3. Kind of like, both parties the same, lesser of two evil? Is Sanders starting this again?

[highplainsdem]

4. Desperation.

[zentrum]

5. Look, Joe....

...of course it will be rolled out in a rational way and take time. It's not going to happen over night.

He should get on board and explain the ways it could be done that would, in fact, lower costs and increase medical care for the most people. He should explain why it's not okay to have profits go to unnecessary middle-persons---the insurance companies.

Just take care of all our people---as they do in other industrialized countries.

A name is not magic. An actual policy is transformative.

[Cha]

7. BS is desperate to say Biden sounds like

fucking trump.. and it will come back to bite him.

I see people standing up for Biden on this when he's not even their candidate.

Just like this is biting him and his speech writer, 3rd party stein pusher, David Sirota.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

BS is so desperate he's dragging on Biden with trump and 9/11.

[still_one]

6. and Bernie Sanders is sounding like the loser he is

[Cha]

9. Can you believe this shite? Why yes

I can!

[still_one]

22. Same here

[mcar]

10. No difference between the parties, right Bernie?

[Buzz cook]

11. Bernie is right though.

Biden's attacks on Medicare for all do echo the insurance industry claims.

Biden claims that 300 million people would be added in an instant, the current bill has a four year roll out. That is not an instant.

Biden claims you will lose your doctor. That's the same claim made against the ACA.

This is a Biden problem not a Sanders problem. Biden needs to stop attacking from the right.

[Cha]

16. BS is Desperate and Wrong.. and this

will come back to bite him. Like his equating Biden's Plan to Fucking 9/11.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

BS needs to Stop Smearing.

I'm not even a Biden fan, but this is straight up bull sh*t. To state this is irresponsible & a bold faced lie. Like Trump/GOP want to save ACA

[Buzz cook]

37. Biden needs to stop attacking

from the right.

You need to respond to what I type not what appears in your fever dreams.

[George II]

38. Biden is attacking from the left-center, NOT "the right".

[Cha]

57. Yeah, that was another smear.

[melman]

60. "Biden is attacking"

Why is he doing that? Didn't he hear about the unity pledge?

[George II]

62. That's Buzz Cook's word, not mine. Go to the OP and read the responses sequentially. Thanks!

[melman]

65. I read it all

You said Biden was attacking.




As we can see here you've put "the right" in quotes. But no quotes on attack. This makes it your word.


And you're quite welcome!

[George II]

67. Semantics. This is a discussion about BS attacking Biden as being just like trump.

I guess you missed that when you were reading "it all".

[melman]

68. No it's really not

It's not semantics at all. You said Biden was attacking.




I'm starting to suspect you might not really care about that pledge. I don't mind telling you I find that quite disappointing.

[George II]

69. Read it any way you want. Obviously BS doesn't care much about that pledge, right?

Try reading the OP again, okay?

[Cha]

76. Wasn't BS the First One to Sign "The Unity Pledge"?!

Why is he Disingenuously trying to Smear Biden with Fucking trump?

2020 Candidates Begin Signing Unity Pledge, With Sanders Taking the Lead

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128793259

[melman]

79. No idea

I'm not the one who brings it up incessantly as if it means something.

[Cha]

81. BS is So Desperate.. he broke his Unity Pledge.. saying "Biden

sounds like trump."

[George II]

102. Inasmuch as BS talked about it and told all the other candidates to sign it....

....it must have meant something to him.

[George II]

101. Yes he was, and he then chided other candidates who hadn't gotten around to signing it before him.

[thesquanderer]

133. My response to that is this post in another thread about...

what the unity pledge means, and how it's not just Sanders tinkering around its edges.

[Cha]

134. lol@WHATABOUT!!!!!!!!!

[thesquanderer]

135. Did you read the whole post? That was the only the beginning, the greater point being...

...that NEITHER of these things are so bad. It's not "your candidate is just as bad," rather it's "it's not bad when either of them does it." It was not "whataboutism" to itself try to excuse anything, nor to change the subject, you have to look at the actual point being made.

[Cha]

50. You need to stop Insulting Again. BS is Desperate and Wrong to Smear Biden with

trump and 9/11.

Not everybody is a MFA fan.

Lots of people want to save ACA.. BS doesn't.. and certainly fucking trump doesn't.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

Despite a large division in the Democratic party over the best health care solution ― single-payer or a continuation and possible expansion of something like Obamacare ― progressives in Congress appear to be in lockstep with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s priority of shoring up the ACA before tackling anything like Medicare for All.

“I’m happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that we’re seeing, particularly as it’s under assault by the president,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. “I think it’s part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top

Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden

Here's Beto..

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top

Link to tweet

[bluewater]

17. +1000

[Thekaspervote]

24. When did Joe Biden ever attack any of the dem candidates? Name just one!

Your statement is patiently false

[Buzz cook]

35. His attack is on Medicare for all

By doing so he is attacking every candidate that supports it.

Biden opposes the Green New Deal even though it is just an aspirational pledge. By doing so he is attacking all democrats that support it.

By positioning himself as opposed to programs popular with the activist base, Biden risks alienating the activist base.

I don't want another 2016 with Biden standing in for Clinton.

[Cha]

41. Yeah, and BS' Attack is on ACA. Lots of people

don't buy into the MFA.. not just Biden.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All

Despite a large division in the Democratic party over the best health care solution ― single-payer or a continuation and possible expansion of something like Obamacare ― progressives in Congress appear to be in lockstep with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s priority of shoring up the ACA before tackling anything like Medicare for All.

“I’m happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that we’re seeing, particularly as it’s under assault by the president,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. “I think it’s part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.”

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top

Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden

Here's Beto..

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top

Link to tweet

[Thekaspervote]

48. Weak!!

[Princetonian]

52. You make good points.

"Biden's attacks on Medicare for all do echo the insurance industry claims.

Biden claims that 300 million people would be added in an instant, the current bill has a four year roll out. That is not an instant.

Biden claims you will lose your doctor. That's the same claim made against the ACA.

This is a Biden problem not a Sanders problem. Biden needs to stop attacking from the right."

Though I agree with Biden that I would not want to eliminate ObamaCare. I do not see a way we could pass Medicare For All in the current political climate. Democrats will need to retain the House and take the Senate in 2020 which does not seem likely.

[Cha]

61. Why do you even have a Biden

pic if you think it's ok for BS to smear him with "sounding like trump" and Smearing Biden's Plan with "the terrorism of 9/11"? Which he has since deleted because it was so GD stupid and mean-spirited.

You need to stop smearing Biden with "Attacking from the right".. For your information.. Biden is attacking from the Center Left.

Biden is NOT Right wing.. get it?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. Biden's incremental healthcare plan is DOA... every other top-tier candidate has adopted

Bernie's progressive vision of Medicare For All. It's the ONLY way to go!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

109. "...every other top-tier candidate has adopted Bernie's progressive vision of Medicare For All."

No they haven't.

[dem4decades]

87. Sanders is the problem. End of discussion.

[marylandblue]

104. People actually did lose their doctors under ACA.

And I know my doctor would retire rather than deal with M4A.

You are arguing about the metaphorical use of the word "instant?" Really?

[Cha]

116. Biden is "attacking" from the Center Left.

Why is BS so Desperate to Smear Biden with the Psycho trump?

[BeyondGeography]

13. Shocking

You'd think these two were competing for the nomination or something.

[Amimnoch]

14. Big reason I will never support BS..

These policies that he and the other candidates have? Pie.. just Pie to eat on. I never cast my vote in the primary for POTUS based on policy. I cast my votes for Senators and my congressperson based on policies. Congress writes the laws (sets the policy).

For POTUS: Best chance to win? Will Veto harmful Republican led legislation? Will sign off on Democratic Party led legislation?

BS isn't the best chance to win.. at all.
I don't doubt for a second he'd Veto harmful Republican led legislation.
I really question if he would pass Democratic Party led legislation, and this is my biggest problem with him. Odds are, anything passed by our Democratic Party members in Congress, unless we happen to gain a super majority in the Senate (not happening 2020), and maintain our hold in the House is going to almost definitely have something compromising in it. We don't need president purity tester in office. If it moves us forward, we need a president that will sign off on it.. even if parts of it requires nose holding.. BS ain't that guy.

He's the ONLY candidate running that I have absolutely NO confidence in supporting our party's legislation that does make it through the hurdles.

Take just this issue: Even though he's not fully behind it, if we elect a congress that does pass a bill that provides Medicare for all, does ANYONE, for a second think that a President Joe Biden would not sign on it? Does ANYONE really think he'd break out the Veto pen??? Preposterous. However, I likewise don't doubt for a second that BS WOULD veto a hard fought for bill that provides for what Joe is proposing just because it isn't pure enough for his tastes.

[betsuni]

74. +1

[redstateblues]

89. Post of the day!

[calguy]

20. BS is sounding more and more

like a senile old man.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Indeed!!

[AlexSFCA]

30. Biden wants to protect ACA, trump and BS want to destroy it

so isn’t Sanders much more like trump in that regard?

[Otto Lidenbrock]

39. Bernie Sanders sounds like Trump on Trade

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Joe Biden: "I helped lead the fight against NAFTA. He voted for NAFTA. I helped lead the fight against PNTR with China. He voted for it. I strongly opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership. he supported it.”

[George II]

46. Anti-NAFTA (like trump), anti-PNTR with China (like trump), anti-TPP (like trump). He's even....

....against immigration, like trump.

Against Russia sanctions, like trump. Against the Magnitsky act, like trump.

A year after the 1994 Crime Bill was passed Democrats including Biden, tried to lower the penalties for some crimes. BS tried to RAISE them, saying they weren't strong enough!

He should be very careful about comparing other candidates to trump.

[betsuni]

78. +1

[Cha]

55. Yeah yeah, BS.. we know all about your

"votes".

[Princetonian]

47. A bit of hyperbole from Bernie but at least he didn't cynically infer Biden is racist for media hype

I credit Bernie with driving the Democratic Party out of the clutches of the DLC in 2016 by evangelizing the youth vote to join the party and become engaged as liberal Democrats so I am inclined to give him a pass. Medicare for All is his baby so he is naturally protective of it.

[Cha]

51. Just No. ".. a little hyperbole..".. To smear

Biden with trump and 9/11?! No.. that's flat out disingenuous and Wrong.. not very principled.

ACA is President Obama's "Baby".. and BS wants to destroy that..

Bernie Sanders opposes House bill to strengthen the Affordable Care Act.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128739743#top

Link to tweet

[George II]

63. "Medicare For All" is not his baby, it's just his name for it. Democrats have been introducing it..

...in the House in one form or another just about every year since 1943, when John Dingell Sr. first did so. That's about two years after BS was born.

[SouthernProgressive]

49. Trumps little buddy.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287203609

[Hoyt]

53. Says the candidate that sounds like trump on immigration and trade -- preferring America First.

[qazplm135]

54. Oof

Least favorite candidate attacks my second least favorite candidate unfairly.

Low blow Bernie and unnecessary because it's not accurate and no one is going to listen to what you are actually saying they are going to focus on the "like Trump" part.

[Cha]

56. Exactly.. I agree with you

for once.

I'm not even a Biden fan, but this is straight up bull sh*t. To state this is irresponsible & a bold faced lie. Like Trump/GOP want to save ACA

[George II]

58. Long-time Democrats zero in on things like that. We don't accept that divisiveness.

[myohmy2]

71. I like Bernie...

" “I am disappointed, I have to say, in Joe, who is a friend of mine, really distorting what Medicare for All is about,” Sanders told the NYT Wednesday, adding, “And unfortunately, he is sounding like Donald Trump. He is sounding like the health care industry in that regard.” "

...and I've never known Bernie to willfully lie...

...

[Trumpocalypse]

72. There is a first time for everything

[Cha]

73. BS is Desperate. "Friends" don't disingenuously

compare their "Friends" to Fucking trump.

Biden isn't the only one who doesn't think MFA is all that.. he's in Good Company.

BS is just hurting himself with trying to Smear Joe Biden.

[Gothmog]

83. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[Cha]

86. Exactly, Goth. Tom Watson is

definitely not a Biden fan. But, this disingenuous Attack from BS is making all kinds of non supporters of Biden stand up for him!

It's call Blowback, BS. the Law Of Unintended Consequences.

Thank You!

[myohmy2]

90. don't...

...be like that, Cha...

"...he is sounding like Donald Trump. He is sounding like the health care industry..."

...trump doesn't want MFA

...the health care industry doesn't want MFA

...Joe doesn't want MFA

...what's the problem?

...

[comradebillyboy]

95. More importantly the voters don't want MFA, especially if

it impacts their current insurance. I'm on medicare now but every employer subsidized health insurance package I ever had was better than medicare.

[myohmy2]

98. I'm...

...on Medicare too...

...with all the deductibles, co-pays and limited benefits we have, it's the polls way of shrinking the program...we can thank everyone in Washington for that...

...I've worked blue-collar most of my life with only a couple of good Union shops in the mix...to me, Medicare is still a better deal than what I had in most of those scab shops...

...my only concern about Medicare For All is that somehow they'll further degrade our current Medicare...

...you know, we should be demanding improvements to Medicare like the elimination of deductibles and co-pays, inclusion of vision care, dental, hearing aids, drugs, etc.

...we need to stop getting distracted and voters need to be convinced...

...when do we get our turn at bat?...

[Cha]

100. Right. and this poster and BS are trying to Smear

Joe Biden.

BS is Desperate.

[Cha]

99. Quit Smearing Joe Biden like BS is

Smearing Joe Biden.

Fucking trump does NOT want ACA, either.

BS is So Desperate all he can do is try to Smear Joe Biden with trump.

[Fresh_Start]

84. Bernie sounds a lot like the Bernie that got Trump elected nt

Int

[Gothmog]

92. Yep

[comradebillyboy]

96. Indeed he does...

[betsuni]

97. Here we go again with the "lesser of two evils" bullshit!

[Mike Nelson]

88. Yikes!

… Biden and Trump are not even remotely similar regarding health care! Maybe Bernie misspoke and will clarify...

[Vegas Roller]

107. Sanders has nothing

No plan, no policy, no substantive framework to get any of his slogans become reality.

He is sounding more and more like a televangelist who says "send me money and god will give you plenty" while demonizing anyone exposing it as satan.

The devotees reach for their pocketbooks and Putin laughs.

[NurseJackie]

125. Wow! Excellent analogy.

PTL

[Gothmog]

114. I seriously doubt that this stunt will help sanders

I doubt that many if any Biden supporters will flip to sanders in the real world for a host of reasons. This false claim will likely hurt sanders with these voters. As a Biden supporter, I found this attack to be both false and to further reinforce my support for Biden

[NurseJackie]

126. It won't help. It may hurt.

I'm perfectly okay with that.

[Gothmog]

130. Biden supporters will not be shifting to sanders in the real world

[NurseJackie]

132. Yep. The real world is very different from DU.

[peggysue2]

115. Perfect!

This is deja vu all over again. Except this ain't 2016 and Sanders is frustrated with the field of many choices where the game has changed and old schtick isn't working. Telling Dems that we're no different than Republicans is one sour note after another.

The Senator from Vermont needs to take his grumpy old man act back to his native state. Leave the 2020 contest to actual Democrats dedicated to erasing Donald Trump and his hatred out of the equation, repairing the damage done and getting on with the job of recovery.

The false equivalencies aren't working, Bernie.

[Princetonian]

117. A former Hillary Clinton senior advisor echoed Bernie's words on CNN on Tuesday.

On Tuesday, former Hillary Clinton senior adviser and current CNN analyst Jess McIntosh made an observation that was nearly identical to Sanders’ attack on Biden.

McIntosh told the hosts of New Day that Biden was coming “dangerously close to using Republican talking points when talking about Medicare for All.”

“There was a lot of ‘Medicare as you know it will go away, seniors will be left with nothing,’ that sounds suspiciously like Donald Trump,” she said.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-biden-is-sounding-like-donald-trump-on-medicare-for-all/

I support Joe but I will not be disingenuous nor do I suffer from Bernie Derangement Syndrome.

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119. Hey, way to insult those who Don't Like what BS

smears Joe Biden with.

It's Not Working.. we'll call out BS when he needs it.

I don't care what some "senior adviser.." says.. she's trying to Smear Biden, too.

trump does Not support ACA.. Biden Does!.

I'll ask you again.. Why are you sporting a Biden pic when you think "BS' smearing him with trump" is ok?

And, they aren't just Biden Supporters who are calling out BS.. all kinds of other Candidates' supporters don't like what BS is doing.

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120. This is from a Non-Biden Supporter...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=205327

[Drunken Irishman]

123. Biden is correct, though - Bernie's plan isn't the current Medicare system.

It completely revamps it.

Biden never said, "Medicare as you know it will go away, seniors will be left with nothing..." this is something Bernie's camp has spun.

Biden never said seniors would be left with nothing. He mentioned a hiatus, but later clarified:

What Biden was saying, Bates said, was that Sanders' plan for a sweeping overhaul of the health care system would take much longer than Biden's own plan to be approved by Congress -- so, under Sanders, there would be a hiatus between the status quo and the possible future arrival of an improved system.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/18/politics/biden-sanders-medicare-for-all-fact-check/index.html

So, even this person is now being disingenuous by suggesting Biden claimed 'seniors would be left with nothing'.

[Princetonian]

129. I get that.

Read: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=205723

[gulliver]

118. Criticizing a fellow Dem in that way is disqualifying.

[NurseJackie]

127. I agree completely.

A scorched-earth tactic is not the way to win a nomination. BS will not be our party's nominee.

[samnsara]

128. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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136. KICK!