Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAl Sharpton criticizes 'progressives' - says they have an ivory tower view of the black vote
On this morning's Morning Joe, Al Sharpton stopped just short of castigating 'progressives,' saying "these so-called progressives candidates have an ivory tower view of the black vote."
He also agreed with Scarborough, stating many black voters are small 'c' conservatives that have little in common with the progressive wing of the party and their loyalty to Biden is indicative of their loyalty to Obama and that by voting for Biden, they'll stop Trump from completely rolling back Obama's record.
Also included in the discussion: Biden's strength withe party's most reliable voting blocks - African-Americans and people over 50.
New Hampshire and Iowa, while still extremely important, will not be the bellwether South Carolina will.
Certain this conversation will be replayed throughout the day and repeated on social media.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Dorn
(523 posts)and there are whites, Indians, and Chinese, youth, and Polish who vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)The OP stands. And the black vote exists.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/17/opinion/pete-buttigieg-black-vote.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/22/us/politics/black-voters-south-carolina-democrats-primary.html
http://umich.edu/~lawrace/votetour2.htm
...and about 700,000 other search results vs. Dorn who says "nyuh uh!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,250 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Was it your intent to prove Rev. Sharpton's point?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Well done.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,240 posts)about Sharpton on MJ's Wyldwolf.
We'll see!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Black voters have routinely sided with establishment candidates vs insurgents. Whether that produces a good outcome in the GE is another question. Biden eg is the weakest establishment candidate weve had in a very long time. In the first six weeks or so of his campaign he has already lost half his support and 3/4 of voters are looking elsewhere for now. At this point in 2015, HRC claimed 50-60 percent of the vote. If Biden doesnt hold up in IA, NH and NV, black voters will start looking elsewhere in SC.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
oldsoftie
(12,546 posts)Just like many white, hispanic, etc, voters did
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)the most electable candidate we have.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
watoos
(7,142 posts)his performances need to match the narrative that is out there. He had a terrible debate.
And if the argument about Biden being the most electable is coming from polling, good luck with that. I have zero faith in polls, especially early polling.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
zaj
(3,433 posts)... in the debate.
There are 20+ candidates this year Every one is "weak" compared to any year where there were only 2 candidates.
Hi didn't look sharp in the debate. I do think that he and Kamala Harris are the likely ticket... or Warren and Beto/Buttigieg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)as a set up...personally I didn't think he did badly and it was not until the pile on by the media that people jumped on that...he will be fine and prepared for such things next time...My belief in Biden comes from the map- I look at candidates that can win the rust belt...I live in Ohio and have lived all over including other rust belt states...Wisconsin in fact so I know what plays in this area...Biden can win. The only other candidate who would have any chance is Beto or Ryan and neither will win the primary...Biden can win the rust belt.
Also, Warren will not be the nominee if the South Carolina polls is accurate...she is polling very badly with the AA community. It is early but I am more and more convince Joe will be the nominee maybe as early as super Tuesday. Hell, South Carolina might make him the nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,250 posts)if he had not done that hard work his Iowa win would not have helped him win later on. but it was his combination of focusing on the black vote early on and working hard for it and the Iowa win which helped him later on.
the same will be true this time around .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)His apology speech on Saturday is one sign of that. I think we all know that wasn't really necessary but he did it anyway.
p.s. and he's taking some heat for it in the RW press, but these days that's just about all of them. Incidentally when did Larry O'Donnell turn into a Biden basher??
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)I heard the first positive coverage for Biden in a while ...and Reverend Al called out progressives...which was surprising. I was driving and changed the radio station and heard it...I had not been listening, I was so angry at the coverage...particularly appalling after the CNN interview.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Much more so than many other Democrats give us credit for.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)They act on smelling bullshit, unlike a lot of other groups, and their votes closely parallel what is best for them as individuals and for the larger country. I have not seen any other group put of a track record like that, the worst group by far is White women.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)That is exactly the perception of most AA voters I have spoken to.
All the smears directed at Biden remind them of the smears directed at Obama and their disdain for the White progressives of the North deepens.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,576 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lucky Luciano
(11,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)The conversation, though, was in the context of Harris / Warren / Sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
djacq
(1,634 posts)Both our adult son and daughter (mid 20s) #1 pick is Warren, which is our #2.
This African American family is very knowledgeable about the candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)18 year old is very excited to vote. He watched the debates. However, he has not picked a candidate. All my 21 year old talks about is Andrew Yang. 🙄 Guess he is popular on campus. Nothing wrong with that but he will not discuss other candidates. My 25 year old is still undecided. Im just happy that they are at least paying attention and that they will vote. One thing that they agree on is that they want Trump to be a one term president.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The AA community has a higher percentage of religious people than the other demographic groups in the Democratic Party. That's not ALL they are about, obviously. But it means they have issues with voting for certain things that other Democrats do not, like gay marriage, transgender rights, later term abortion, etc.
I think it's social moderation, not economic. The AA community is, IMO, progressive in the economic policies it will vote for. Other demographics are just the opposite, like older middle class Democrats who are, I think, moderate in their economic beliefs, but progressive in the social area.
But not everyone fits neatly into a box.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Mouth
(3,150 posts)There are limits to your observation (e.g. Saunders is an economic progressive who polls terribly in the AA community) but otherwise fits my observations.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)The media has been having too much fun piling on Biden who is our most electable and experienced candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KPN
(15,646 posts)an important piece to ultimate victory for any of the primary candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and expand on them.
The issue is whether Biden is the best candidate to build on those accomplishments.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(48,980 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
5starlib
(191 posts)That the candidates running for the nomination don't particularly seem 'comfortable' around black people. I use that term loosely, but you get my drift. Yes, they talk a good game. Yes, they have policy propositions. Yes, they will help black people as president...but they are not used to being around black people everyday and you can tell in their interactions. It's not natural.
One white politician that comes to mind is Mitch Landrieu. That is one white politician that can go to a black cookout and run the whole show.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)He is always so at ease around black people and I just love to see him do that cool handshake with the AA men...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Umm ...
Oh, never mind.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Well, damn!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden