Please don't let the MSM do to Biden what they did to Hillary!

[maxrandb]

I was so disgusted at the absolutely unfair and viscous attacks against Joe Biden on MSNBC that I had to turn it off.

This man has been a champion of civil rights and progressive causes for his entire political career. MSNBC just gave the Retrumplicans hours of misleading political ads to use against him.

I can see them now! If Biden is our nominee, we'll start hearing the "he's just the same as Donnie Short Fingers" bullshit all over again.

We'll be told that it is just "hold your nose and vote", but it's not that.

Compared to Donnie Shit for Brains, Hillary and Biden smell like fresh baked cinnamon rolls in the middle of fresh baked chocolate chip cookies... Donnie Dollhands smells like horseshit mixed with cow shit and turkey poop baking in the desert with rotted potatoes on top.

Have we learned nothing?

[treestar]

1. And MSNBC; just imagine Fox

They always have to be so negative to create a horse race!

Seems they could as easily create one by saying good things about the candidates with less support.

[lambchopp59]

2. Regardless of media slant

There are over a dozen young people I work with who are not motivated to vote for Biden. In light of the supreme court rejecting gerrymandering restrictions, our odds just got worse, and we cannot afford to lose a mobilized youth vote. They want Bernie, or will settle for other candidates who will work towards getting young Americans out of the perpetual debt cycle.
I'll vote for whoever gets nominated, but I fear we're heading for another 2016 foible.

[RHMerriman]

4. Perhaps you should remind these individuals that Trump wants an active military draft.

Perhaps you should remind these individuals that Trump wants an active military draft. He said as much in his idiotic Independence Day speech.

If he wins a second term, the Republicans continue to hold the Senate, and retake the House, he'll get it.

Perhaps that will motivate them.

[link:https://www.nps.gov/vive/index.htm|]

[lambchopp59]

10. Hmm, I didn't know that.

Thanks for the strategic tip.

[RHMerriman]

13. No one is quite so supportive of the concept of mandatory national service than the

No one is quite so supportive of the concept of mandatory national service than the individual who skipped out on it when provided the opportunity.

[Honeycombe8]

73. Ain't that the truth. Chicken hawks, all. But then...Biden didn't serve, either.

Although Biden didn't have bone spurs.

[RHMerriman]

78. Nope; Biden's deferments were for college and then his marriage, I'd expect

He was born in 1942, entered the University of Delaware in '61, graduated in '65, entered Syracuse for law school the same year, and married in '66.

He was 18 in 1960 and still in high school, and then went to college. Although there was an active draft, the major mobilization for Vietnam did not begin until 64-65, when the first large US Army deployments began, and the Army and Marine Corps expanded significantly in terms of deployable combat units.

So did he chose not to volunteer? Yes. Did he dodge the draft? Eye of the beholder, but I'd say no, compared to many of his peers.

And, of course, Biden doesn't attempt to wrap himself in the flag and portray himself as being more patriotic then the rest of us pool SOBs who actually went down and took the oath, unlike Trump and the GOP chickenhawks.

[lambchopp59]

80. Another irony in the pyramid of bullshit

The Fox Noise viewers eat up with relish. I was in a patient's room this morning that had that damn propaganda channel going. They were bending themselves into pretzels to say wonderful things about Trump's economic recovery from the dank days of that Obama monster with the bottom ticker telling everyone to be AFRAID of immigrants.
The MAGA hat bedside is disgustingly filthy.

[RHMerriman]

88. MD, RN, or other?

[Hortensis]

75. Perhaps you can motivate them by

Asking if they’ll be moving in with their grandma when Medicaid is canceled and Medicare and Social Security, or if she’ll be moving in with them. And where? Does she get the couch? Or them? If any are young homeowners, can grandma have the dining room and share the master bath on the main floor, if there is one?

It’s way past time for you to do they do them a huge favor, and yourself, and your nation, by wising them up to what’s at stake.

You have a huge duty here.

[lambchopp59]

79. Careful approaches necessary, these are co-workers.

Political badgering is rewarded with dismissal. But I do what some allow.

[Hortensis]

89. :). Been there. Wondered where I would put my

mother-in-law and/or my very elderly aunt if the people in controlling the Republican Party got their way, just leaving out that they were both no longer living. Not completely phony. Both had been invited to move in with us at one time and declined, but then they were able to.

[maxrandb]

6. Want to suppress the youth vote

Let them be convinced that Donnie Short Fingers and Biden are "just the same".

If young people's choices are Biden or Donnie Shit for Brains and they stay home and don't vote... they deserve the fascism they will get.

[lambchopp59]

8. And drag us all down with their complacency.

I'd be all for making voting compulsory.
Don't shoot the messenger here, I'm doing all the GOTV efforts I can without getting fired for bringing political bias to work with me.

[maxrandb]

12. Hi lambchop, no way I'll shoot the messenger

But if anyone can watch the shitshow that is currently in office and not vote for even a ham sandwich to put a stop to it, deserves to have front row seats to the destruction of our country.

[appalachiablue]

42. These folks need motivation, and not directed at you but they

better get over the pickiness and vote D if they don't want to see more chaos and deterioration in America and the western democracies which are now under assault. As is well known, they are the very ones whose futures are most at stake, and our very existence is facing peril from the climate crisis.

Currently, we are in real danger of losing our democracy and ALL that entails, and that's not hyperbole. It's happened before to other countries. The US and allies defeated fascism once, and it looks like we could be heading in that lethal direction again God forbid.

We have experienced major challenges for some years, namely from the extreme right and threatening now is the potential loss of free speech and press, clean elections, human, civil and equal rights for women, religious and ethnic minorities, LGBTQ: also at risk are labor protections, regulation of consumer products and the basics of water, food and drugs which are being eroded daily. Not to mention ongoing attacks on the safety net, on minorities and also the further corruption of our educational systems, democratic institutions and more.

We are truly living in very dangerous times, and are at a crossroads with this major coming election. Our freedoms and democracy are at stake. So it's all hands on deck because four more years like this will be disaster.

> Putin & Western Liberal Democracy: 'Liberalism Is Obsolete,' US Foreign Relations, Refugees, LGBTQ
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016235149

> How Democracies Die
https://indyweek.com/news/soapboxer/watching-democracy-burn-part-1/

[Midwestocrat]

14. And I could say the same about middle-aged folks...

...that I politic with, about Harris, Warren and Sanders. They want to win. They like Joe and think he can bring over enough independents and moderates to reclaim Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida.

[DownriverDem]

17. Then educate

them. It's clear they don't know who Biden is and what he stands for. Tell them if trump doesn't motivate them, nothing will.

[justie18]

40. Well

I know what he has done during his career as a Senator. Just ask Anita Hill. Why is he incapable of an apology for that episode and the comments about the segregationists.

[emmaverybo]

61. Does not owe her one. Due to Biden, Hill got a hearing. She was well aware that

Republicans would ruthlessly attack her credibility, but she wanted to go forward. It was far from a slam dunk case in that her accusation was based on verbal sexual harassment from ten years previous. She had gone to work a second time for Thomas and maintained a seemingly amicable
relationship with him after she no longer worked for him. These were perceived case weaknesses Republicans aggressively attacked.

Republicans had played racial politics in nominating Thomas, an arch conservative, to fill Thurgood Marshall’s seat. Thomas helped their scheme when he called the hearing a “high tech lynching.”

This cowed Dems on the committee. Black support ran to Thomas, not to Hill.

It was Biden who tried to shake Thomas; Ted Kennedy was remarkably disengaged as an example of the chilling effect racial politics had on Dem’s challenge to Thomas who would be only the second black judge in American history to sit on the Supreme Court.

Biden voted against Thomas. He has always expressed confidence in Hill’s credibility, and praise for her coming forward. He lobbed no insult at Hill nor did he rig the hearing against her. On the other hand, he could not act as her personal attorney.

At the time, this hearing was never about Biden vs. Hill. In its aftermath, continuing smears against a Hill certainly did not come from Biden.

He has apologized for the flawed process, and said he might have ignored committee counsel not to
subpoena a reluctant witness and treat as hostile at the risk of hurting Hill’s case.

Anyone weighing in needs to get a transcript or watch a video. Also read contemporaneous accounts.

[justie18]

69. There is a little detail

you are leaving out of your narative - that there were corroborating witnesses that Biden refused to allow to testify that would have backed up Anita's story.

But no wonder you love Biden, who endorsed a Republican in Pennsylvania this past fall, who went on to defeat the Republican.

Merrick Garland was suggested to Obama by none other than Orin Hatch - can't he find someone a little more liberal than that for the Supreme Court?

[emmaverybo]

70. One refused to testify. Biden was advised by committee counsel not to call her as a hostile

witness. Another witness could not claim to have been sexually harassed by Thomas herself. She also knew nothing about Harris and Thomas’s conversations. She did not want to publicly testify though she had written an affidavit suggesting a sexist atmosphere in Thomas’s office.

I expressed what I know about the hearing. I watched them and followed the controversy.

Your attack on me is uncalled for. You argue that I support Biden because he is like a Republican and I am too?

I don’t think you intended all that.

[MicaelS]

71. I am sick and fucking tired of hearing about Anita Hill.

That was nearly 30 years ago. A lot of voters were not even born then.

[Honeycombe8]

74. I'm tired of Democrats walking around apologizing for everything they may or may not have done...

or said decades ago. That has to stop, IMO. It makes Democrats look weak, and it doesn't change anything. They're also viewed as being political, anyway. An apology is only meaningful if it's one on one, IMO. What matters most is what people do. Not what they say.

I saw most of the Hill-Thomas hearing. Biden didn't do anything wrong, that I saw. He has nothing to apologize for. By today's standards, maybe he could have said something when a particularly egregious question by a Repub popped up...but he couldn't stop it. The committee members had the right to ask questions.

As a viewer, I had some issues with Anita Hill, too. Not just some Democratic senators. All in all, I was shocked that they confirmed Thomas. But I did have some issues with Hill's testimony. I'm not going to get into that now, decades later. I would have done what Biden did...NOT vote to confirm Thomas.

Public apologies often don't mean much. Personal apologies, one on one, are more meaningful. Otherwise, they're viewed as seeking to get votes and move off the subject. And the politician is left looking weak. Time to get over that practice of demanding apologies for everything. If someone wants not to vote for Biden because of the Thomas hearing or anything else, they are free not to vote for him in the primary.

[Control-Z]

28. This could be an opportunity.

Make it a teaching moment. Share your knowledge with them.

[gldstwmn]

39. I believe you are correct.

Biden isn't motivating a lot of people to get off the couch. It doesn't help when he's not very visible. It also doesn't help when you have interviews like the one he did with Chris Cuomo. We have better candidates. I wish people would let go of the ridiculous mindset that he's the only one who can win. His campaign is fraught with problems and is only going to get worse I think.

[lambchopp59]

49. Quote from one of my young colleagues: "Biden's another Washington insider".

We're already up against unprecedented gerrymandering, voter suppression efforts, bots spitting out memes like manic nutjobs, people who will believe the most insane rhetoric if it comes with slick graphics and flag waving, not to mention the resurgence of racism I never saw coming or would even have believed could happen a decade ago.
The numbskulls in "Idiocracy" have got nothing on the Trumpers.
We need a razor sharp candidate who can take Trump behind the proverbial woodshed at the debates.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

56. You could point out that anybody who's a Senator is a Washington insider.

It's hard to be much more inside Washington than a Senator. They're right there in the belly of the beast.

[lambchopp59]

58. Not me. I'm relating what I hear from these youths.

Again, don't shoot the messenger. The proverbial "you" is not here reading this.

[marylandblue]

62. Powerful Senator for 36 years and VP for 8 makes you the beating heart of the Beltway,

not just an ordinary insider. And he is not even trying to pretend he is anything but an insider, not that he could credibly claim otherwise.

Warren is successfully running an outsider campaign despite being a Senator because she entered politics late in life in a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," and has been riding a wave of economic populism from the day she got there.

The question is, do people actually want Washington insiders as Presidents? History says they don't.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

64. Hillary Clinton was one. First Lady, Senator, then Secretary of State.

Can't get much more inside than that. And she won the popular vote. I don't think inside vs. outside really makes that much difference if the message is persuasive.

[marylandblue]

66. I don't count moral victories, she lost the election.

And even if she had won those extra 80,000 votes, I'd still have a lot of the same concerns for 2020. We'd have the advantage of incumbency of course, but it's likely Clinton would have below 50% approval (different 50% of course) and the Republicans would be looking for a smarter, smoother fascist to lead them.

I would not be at all confident that Clinton could beat a smart fascist, but I do know a lot of people would dismiss my concerns. They dismiss my concerns now, so why would they listen if Clinton had won three states by 80,000 votes?

[lambchopp59]

67. Certainly makes a big difference when gerrymandered districts

Can swing an election against the wishes of nearly 3 million voters. Now with the supreme court rejecting gerrymandering restrictions, we're likely in a far steeper uphill battle now.
There were enough write in votes for Bernie that would have won it for Hillary:
I trust the Joe Biden fans would still vote for the democratic nominee if he does not win the primary.
I'm not so certain we can pull the independents and undecideds our way without far more Bernie-esque platforms.

[gldstwmn]

59. The racism came out of left field.

It's been exploited to maximum capacity. As a party we can't keep doing the same things over and over and expect a different outcome. I must admit I'm also concerned about a 76 year old trying to take on this mess. And I still can't get past the NRA comment. I don't know if I will ever get over that. .

[treestar]

63. The Dotard was not

So maybe insiders know what they are doing? That argument should be dead now. That an outsider can shake it all up and that would have to be a good thing.

[33taw]

47. And, I know 32 people over 60 who do not like other candidates and have no motivation to vote.

So, maybe we all agree that the goal is to vote in the primary and vote for the candidate who is nominated in the GE. Otherwise, the courts get redder and redder. We are already 30 years into Clarence Thomas.

[PatrickforO]

54. I'm not sure they 'want Bernie.'

I'm not sure Bernie is that strong this time around. Not when there are others, like Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, Castro and Booker.

The bottom line is the Democratic party has gone to the left on things like healthcare, student debt and climate change and the candidates I've mentioned here all have plans of some sort that would address these issues.

This isn't about Biden vs Bernie; it isn't 2016.

It is about defeating the monster in the White House, but at the same time bringing in policies that will actually make our lives better, and save our species from a slow, miserable descent to extinction.

Biden isn't my guy, but I will support him if he's our nominee. Still - he (and Bernie too) was in Congress for decades, and if he (and Bernie) have such good plans and are so capable of getting stuff done, then why have things steadily gotten worse and not better. Why are we where we are now, with this horror in the White House, Russia hacking our elections, power grid and God knows what else, our farmers going broke because of tariffs, thousands of auto workers being laid off, accelerating temperature increases, and concentration camps to imprison brown-skinned people all over the country? Why?

You might not think that's a fair question, but I do. The Third Way did not work. Trickle down fiscal policy has NEVER worked. Immigration wasn't ever a front-burner issue until racists like Dobbs and Coulter and Limbaugh made it so.

So...what will Biden, Bernie, or ANY OF THEM be able to do in the face of this massive corporate corruption that is dividing us so they can keep funneling money from our treasury to a few billionaire parasites and CEOs?

That's why I want someone like Warren in there, who is a master of policy and can fight these corporate shills effectively by virtue of being smarter than them.

Because we won't survive more same-old same-old. We have to have some massive changes. Changes that will only be possible if we completely crush the Republicans at the polls in November 2020, elect a truly intelligent president, and fill Congress with aggressive people like AOC that are demanding action.

I'm not alone here, either.

But, as I say, if Biden is our guy, I will support him. Likewise Bernie. I just think there are better candidates than either he or Bernie.

[RHMerriman]

3. The media is one thing; but when Democrats attack our own, what does one expect?

The media is one thing; but when alleged Democrats attack the most recent Democratic Administration's vice president, what does one expect?

Do you think the media should ignore it?

"Whose side are you on?" is a question that needs to be asked of certain candidates.

[Thekaspervote]

5. +1000

[RHMerriman]

7. Thanks...

Reality intrudes. Be nice if those making the case weren't so frequently shouted down or accused of being "hurtful"...

[emmaverybo]

18. Democrats who loved the Obama administration, in which Biden was so actively involved, have been

reaching to discredit Biden’s civil rights credentials, support for women, and recently to claim he
would lose the youth vote.

It is possible that any candidate who is undermined by members of his own party with crucial parts of the electorate will suffer from suppressed turn out in that electorate in the General.

No candidate can win over all demographics and voter communities. If we work at it, the Dem party will get youth to turn out. Biden’s past record and experience with gun control legislation speaks strongly to one of the issues youth are currently most concerned about as a group.

But let us not write off the Baby Boomer vote. Older Americans are a demographic Dems ignore at their peril.

Biden is doing well with older voters. Half of senior citizens buy into or, through retirement benefits are offered, a supplemental plan in addition to Medicare. We will have to see how they feel about
candidates’ plans for them.

I do not see any candidate who will have a lock on the youth vote, a vote that is always lower in turn out than any other demographics. Sanders had excellent support among college-aged. I don’t know if that support still holds.

[Turin_C3PO]

19. The youth turned out

in relatively large numbers in 2018. I think they’ll come out in 2020, regardless of who’s on the ticket. I don’t see them staying home just because Biden’s on the ticket.

[NYMinute]

23. Not if they see it as their free college tuition

and student debt canceling taken away.

That proposal is designed to do exactly that - to disappoint the youth vote into thinking that the "establishment" is not on their side.

[Turin_C3PO]

25. Well I don't

think any of our candidates are proposing it to depress the youth vote in the general election. They obviously don’t want Trump to win. Now, could it have the effect of depressing youth turnout? I suppose so, but I tend to give our young people more credit than that.

[NYMinute]

31. Try again

It has been done before.

1. Promise something that never could ever be delivered and get some voters riled up
2. Force a real candidate B who has to look out for the GE say it cannot be done
3. Blame said candidate B as corrupt, establishment and status quo while elevating Candidate A to a messiah.
4. When candidate A loses the primaries, candidate B is irreparably wounded. Mission accomplished.

[RHMerriman]

26. Yep. As Franklin said:

Yep. As Franklin said:

We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately.

[mcar]

44. I've been seeing a lot of candidates being attacked here

Not just one.

[RHMerriman]

51. Attacked?

Or defended against?

[Bengus81]

50. There were a load that weren't on the side of Al Franken........

And gosh...now their running for President. Who'd a thunk it?

[RHMerriman]

52. Shocking, isn't it?

Shocking, isn't it?

Buying into GOP spin...

[NewDayOranges]

9. The MSM and conservative media did what they did to Hillary Clinton over the span of 30 years...

The MSM and conservative media Swift-boated John Kerry in 4 or 5 months...

It just goes to show you that whatever the right throws at our candidate, no matter how crazy or trivial or silly, Dem campaigns have to be out front and center to refute it...

[Midwestocrat]

11. They are trying!

They want Joe OUT. Look at "hugging-gate" or "I-work-with-bad-people-too-gate" or The Great Kamala Pre-Planned Smackdown. It's all bullshit.

Meanwhile, Trump. That asshole has a parade with tanks, he cages children, he's just been accused of raping someone. He's HIDEOUS and no one in the MSM cares!! Seething outrage...

[marylandblue]

15. I learned a lot from 2016. That is, the candidate needs to be able to control the narrative.

It was also true in every other election I've ever seen including ones where Democrats won.

Biden had a certain narrative as the frontrunner a month ago. Now he is struggling to get it back. If he is successful, good for him. But if he's not, that doesn't mean Harris wins, because she has her own narrative struggles.

[Politicub]

16. We have no control over what the MSM does or does not. Well, except for what you did,

which was turn it off.

[emmaverybo]

22. During Obama's campaign, supporters wrote producers, organized ad boycotts, wrote to

newspapers, corrected disinformation on forums, in the comments sections of on-line journals, undertaking a media watch campaign that was quite extensive.

This kind of media campaign will have to be waged on behalf of our GE nominee.

For now, Biden supporters who feel news coverage is heavily biased against him can write producers and hosts. I hope Biden will organize his supporters to campaign for him and also to
campaign against the bad press he has been laboring under since before he entered th3 primary race.

[marylandblue]

65. Obama was good at organizing his supporters, and

also defending himself on TV. He was, in fact, a community organizer, so he knew how to do it.

A lot of people think that it's all the work of campaign staff, but it isn't. The candidate himself has to lead the team effectively. I'm not seeing those skills in Biden and no amount of staff or supporters can make up for it.

[emmaverybo]

68. Obama did this kind of organizing after he won the nomination full force. However, Obama's

campaign strategy was genius, owing a great deal to Axelrod. I don’t see Biden’s campaign
working with as much skill in the area of media, but I also see MSM not allowing much pushback.

[ucrdem]

81. +1,000,000

That's exactly what Biden needs. That plus a war room. Is Axelrod available I wonder.

[emmaverybo]

82. Yes! Yes!

[ucrdem]

84. It would be a stellar addition

I hope they work something out!

[ucrdem]

83. (oops)

[tiredtoo]

20. Darn, I missed that,

What show was it on? All i see is folks saying Joe is the only one that can beat trump.

[NYMinute]

21. THIS

Precisely THIS

and the media are being fed a diet of targeted leaks of non-stories by David Sirota & company to advance Trump. The goal is to so wound the potential nominee that the memes will destroy him/her in the GE.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. +1

Indeed.

[ooky]

27. I turned it off last week when it started up. Decided to put on some background music

instead. It was so much more enjoyable than listening to pure shit over and over again in the background.

[watoos]

29. The M$M has never been our friend,

it has always followed the right wing narrative. Russia got involved in social media and really laid it to Hillary. We should be more aware and informed this time around.

It's up to our candidate to change that narrative. As far as I'm concerned, we tried a centrist candidate in 2016 I'm not for trying the same thing again.

[UniteFightBack]

30. Don't worry. I promise you most Democrats are not watching MSNBC. nt

[Hekate]

32. Thank you. Fight back, people! These are our candidates, our people! Hit the comment lines ...

...at MSNBC and others, do it early and often, and be specific.

[pnwmom]

33. The MSM gave her far less coverage than DT. Is that what you're talking about?

The Trump people were pushing all sorts of fake stories about her health, but I don't recall that the MSM was involved in that.

[SCVDem]

34. I only lasted

5 minutes before I turned the assault off.

[Sloumeau]

35. Yep, the Biden bashing annoys me too.

Fortunately or unfortunately, many will make their own decisions. Try not to let the Biden bashers get to you. Most of them seem to know little about his life or his career. ☺

[yaesu]

36. I don't liste to MSM but I think they will pick the candidate because most ameicans do listen to MSM

[Cryptoad]

37. M$NBC drags Biden out every,,,,

30 minutes and gives him a good flogging!,,Those trying to be as big a aasshole as the Trumpster, are egging it on!

[NBachers]

38. M$M? Shit, look no further than DU. It's filled with chumming Biden "blood in the water" sharks.

[emmaverybo]

76. I agree and decry the tone of these persistent attacks. Attackers go to positive Biden posts,

insert anti-Biden commentary into any issue thread, as well as start anti-Biden discussions sometimes several times a day, veiled or overt.

These kinds of attacks are disturbing as they adopt a particularly aggressive manner, become accusatory with any attempt at rebuttal, and lean towards character assassination. I am talking about attacks that are all anti-Biden, not pro any other candidate, and not meant to support Dems,
but rather, in chief, to eliminate the front-runner.

[gulliver]

41. Yep, they are "horseracing" and "narrativing" again.

Fred Trump's little feller also plays them like a fiddle (or just directly uses their microphones and staff in the case of Fox "News&quot .

[YOHABLO]

43. MSM loves a good fight in politics. (cynical but no apologies)

It draws more viewers for one reason or another, and I assume higher viewership and ratings. Higher ratings, more advertisement dollars.

[JI7]

45. they won't because Biden is an old white man. and a lot of Hillary

hate was becsuse of misogyny.

[Cha]

46. They're not going to stop shit.

But, Thank YOu for bringing up their garbage reporting.

[ucrdem]

85. Not until they get some pushback. Right now they're basically exploiting the good will

Biden has spent his life accumulating. It's clickbait to them, yesterday's old news tomorrow, with not a care in the world for anything else. And if Trump wins it's double-plus as they keep their jobs. But if they start getting phone calls, emails, boycotts, op-eds and the like, they'd come around fast.

[Cha]

87. Excellent point, ucr.. just that

the m$$$m has been this way, at least, since I turned them off in November 2002.. and only gotten exponentially worse from what I've seen on DU.

[wsbradshaw]

48. If he shot someone

If Biden shot someone in the middle of the street would you still support him? Cause that's what it is starting to sound like. There's video and transcripts to support what the media is saying about him.

[Peacetrain]

55. :) really

ahhh .. I heard this was the new tact.. compare him to Trump.. Joy is that you???

[ooky]

57. It doesn't even remotely sound anything like that.

[Cyrano]

53. Gotta' disagree here

It wasn't the MSM. It was the Republican propaganda machine that demonized her for 24 years, starting the day she entered the White House.

They did it to every Dem running for president ever since. (Kerry - swift boating - etc.)

They tried to do it to Obama. It didn't work, but they forced him to show his birth certificate. (He should have told them to fuck off.)

Now, they're trying to wreck Mueller's reputation before he appears in front of congress in two weeks. And who knows? They may succeed to a degree.

The GOP propaganda machine is a horror that we must destroy before it destroys America. And they're well on their way to doing so. (Fox, hate radio, hate online sites, and so much more.)

Who would have believed that so many Americans were so gullible. We definitely need better schools.

[Locrian]

60. the MSM I'm seeing *loves* Biden...

Bernie and Warren and some of the others, not so much....
now FOX that's a different story - NO candidate is going to win their support - they're a lost cause.

[emmaverybo]

77. I have not seen one cable news station that does not give the lion's share of its programming

to unequivocal Biden-bashing, to raising doubts about his candidacy, to presenting aggressive
argument against Biden on any current controversy. This is not balanced in any way by including
more objective analysis or heaven forbid a challenge to the obvious Biden candidacy opponents.

[Honeycombe8]

72. What show was that on? nt

[Gothmog]

86. From the Washington Post-Is Biden getting the Clinton treatment

I will never forgive the NYT for the job that they did on Clinton in 2016. I have a Washington Post subscription and I will never subscribe to the NYT. Here history is repeating itself

Link to tweet

A leading national newspaper treats the eventual Democratic presidential nominee far more harshly than it does other Democrats and dwells ad nauseam on issues far less serious than those adversely affecting the Republican. The Democratic nominee is subjected to one negative story after another, often without advancing prior stories. That’s how many Democrats felt the New York Times covered Hillary Clinton.

Numerous Democratic commentators have publicly criticized, both during the 2016 campaign and subsequently, what they perceived as the Times’s unbalanced coverage that allowed then-candidate Donald Trump to escape scrutiny for many issues that were far more serious than Clinton’s. Even the Times admitted in December 2016, “Every major publication, including The Times, published multiple stories citing the D.N.C. and Podesta emails posted by WikiLeaks, becoming a de facto instrument of Russian intelligence.”....

Unfortunately for former vice president Joe Biden, history may be repeating itself.

A case in point is a New York Times front-page article with the catchy Web headline “'Lock the S.O.B.s Up’: Joe Biden and the Era of Mass Incarceration.” It has been widely reported that Biden’s authorship of anti-crime legislation in the 1990s poses a problem with some Democratic voters, especially African Americans, in an era of criminal-justice reform. He has also taken a hit for speaking about the atmosphere of “civility” that allowed him to work with rabid segregationists. That’s an entirely legitimate topic of discussion.

The NYT did its best to elect trump and succeeded. I fear that we will see history repeat itself