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Related: About this forumKamala Harris Says She Prepped to Confront Biden at Debate: 'I Just Felt the Need to Talk About It'
By Connor Mannion Jun 30th, 2019, 9:26 pm
Sen. Kamala Harris told MSNBCs Kasie Hunt that she had been preparing to confront Joe Biden at the Democratic debates over his comments recalling his work with segregationists.
Harris had a much-talked about confrontation with the former vice president at the Thursday debate broadcast by NBC, where she grilled his opposition to busing and his praise of the civility of working with segregationist Democratic senators.
Clearly you were ready for it. When did you decide that was what you were gonna do? Hunt asked.
I have to be obviously candid with you. From the moment that I heard his comments about the segregationists, it was troubling and it was hurtful, Harris said. To hear those words from someone I respect in a way that kind ofthat suggest a bit of nostalgia about who they are, about segregationists.
I felt the need that to make sure that everyone was remembering or had thought about the real impact, she continued. I just felt the need to talk about it not as some academic discussion.
Do you think Biden is out of touch? Hunt asked Harris.
No, not necessarily, Harris responded. I think he and I have a difference of opinion about the significance of who those people were and our perspective on perhaps how we think of them in terms of their reputation.
video
https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/kamala-harris-says-she-prepped-to-confront-biden-at-debate-i-just-felt-the-need-to-talk-about-it/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)We have an election that must be won against drumpf and Joe Biden the Uniter is the person to get it done!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)But nice try.
Your opinion is not one size fits all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)We all know the result.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Took treason to keep her out of office.
What is your point?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)We need a SUPER MAJORITY of voters to make sure it doesn't happen again. Who can do that? Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)We need secure elections and people to quit spreading false narratives about our candidates and platform.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)This is what really pisses me off. Republicons learn from every election how to further fine-tune the stealing. Democrats seem content to let them.
It won't matter how many great candidates Democrats have in the future if there's no way for them to overcome the stealing to actually get to take the offices they'd win.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
we have been behind the curve for DECADES.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Polly Hennessey
(6,804 posts)In some ways, reminds me of Gillibrand. I do believe she is faltering poll-wise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Another "Al Franken Moment" backlash.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)was nostalgic about segregationists. JFC! We are not stupid.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)What else are we supposed to go on? His beloved Senator Eastland never called him boy but always called him son. I know if I were in a place where Eastland was calling other grown men boy I would feel he was being affectionate to me, certainly by comparison. The meme you are supposed to be pushing is that he didn't praise segregationists. That is at least somewhat technically true.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)he said.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)of the New York City Fundraiser a couple of weeks ago where he told his tale about Senator Eastland. It has been extensively quoted though and this is what NPR says are his words:
"I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland," Biden said, according to a pool report. "He never called me 'boy'; he always called me 'son.' "
"Well, guess what? At least there was some civility," Biden said, also pointing to a working relationship he forged with Georgia Sen. Herman Talmadge, another segregationist Democrat. "We got things done. We didn't agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today, you look at the other side and you're the enemy. Not the opposition, the enemy. We don't talk to each other anymore."
with all that talk about civility and getting things done that is a pretty nostalgic look back at working with segregationists. I have seen that he told the story before and had said he never called me Senator he always called me son. That is actually clear that Eastland is being derogatory to Biden the meaning gets lost when it is boy - son.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)to being nostalgic about segregationists. People see that Trump is not civil. It wasnt about segregationists. Read his last three lines. People are not stupid.
And LOL about this being about segregation. Even MSNBC had to apologize for getting their parties wrong, thats how little people knew or remember about those politicians.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)wasn't famously a segregationist? I know that Eastland was a Democrat, that's why it isn't a very good story to illustrate what Biden meant when he said that Republicans would have an epiphany when he is elected.
I did not say he is being nostalgic about segregationists he is being nostalgic about working with them and being civil. Of course the contention is that there is less of that now and I don't disagree with that. It just doesn't tell us what this epiphany among Republicans is going to look like.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)She can run on it.
Biden was talking about civility. We all see how uncivil Trump is. We all see how uncivil they all are.
I said even MSNBC had to apologize for getting info on Eastland wrong, thats how removed busing conversation is.
This is a waste of time to acknowledge intentionally twisted and distorted attacks. Nostalgia about segregationists is just a lie. Its a shame to keep repeating it hoping some suckers will buy it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Harris, at no time has she put forth a pro-busing position. Much like Biden she waxed nostalgic, in this case about her formative years and how being bused to a different school benefited her. If she were to make such a proposal regarding busing I'm sure she would have a well thought out plan and communication strategy. Not jump into it because some rando on the Internet will think she isn't consistent enough.
Civility is all well and good, but if it is the type of civility that allows racists a safe harbor I'm willing to forgo it. Whatever MSNBC got wrong on Eastland it wasn't that he worked with Biden to curtail busing to achieve school integration. Biden talking about working with Eastland is a poor idea for this very reason one of the main things that the Eastland Biden did together was work on the busing issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)justify the distortions she put forth about Biden. She should explain her food fight to the American people. That is what I was saying.
Biden was talking about civility. Nothing wrong with contrasting the worst of the worst with the worst now. Lying about his meaning and context iis a waste of time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)as in friendly. Many liberals worked with segregationists in the day. They were in the same party.
Biden is looking back, on his time in the senate with nostalgia, but not with fondness for an America without civil rights, as he has supported those his entire career, and gay and womens rights.
Take a look at VAWA.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)yet the tale that Biden tells of Eastland is nostalgic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Biden can not be nostalgic over a civility missing in today's senate which got "the job done"? I was answering a different poster who said he was not nostalgic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)....have UNITED behind Biden than behind any other candidate. In fact, in most polls twice as many have UNITED behind Biden than the runner-up.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Voltaire2
(13,159 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Looking forward to Elizabeth Warren's run!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Every other candidate should drop out?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)And then we have some others.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Better get used to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)"uniting" whom?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)going on name recognition, affection and nostalgia. 35%ish prefer Biden with all that going for him. That means 65% prefer Somebody Else.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)...then why bother with primaries?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)If Joe can't handle this how can he handle Trump and the GOP attack machine?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 2, 2019, 09:58 AM - Edit history (1)
Now that he understands that a few fellow democratic candidates are in staged ambush mode, he'll be ready for them next time. The ONLY mission is to remove drumpf from office with our best candidate, which at this moment is Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)BTW, Kamala is NOT "going away".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
babylonsister
(171,092 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,655 posts)there is no way of knowing who is going to be our candidate right now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)nominee ....fair and square and he will defeat Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yesterday they were bragging about planning for months, rehearsing answers, etc etc. Oh they were so smart. Now she's walking it back. Sorry Kam, no sale. You showed your cards and it's not a pretty hand.
p.s. Senator Booker is getting hammered into atoms on his Twitter feed. And frankly, well, best leave it there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Response to ucrdem (Reply #6)
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She really didn't need to do this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)First backing off on being in favor of getting rid of private healthcare insurance (her raised hand), now this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Now she realizes she gave away the game and it's making people angry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Not her fault that he gift-wrapped this opportunity and she took full advantage. If the point hadnt been deeply felt she wouldnt have broken through the way she did.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)she is now leading Warren - oops...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)savvy marketing by establishing and controlling a narrative, excellent prep, flawless use of social media outlets, and sustainability. Is it the message that's making people mad, the execution, or both?
Or is it simply that she came for Biden and hit him hard?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Pretty simple.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)Biden wasn't. But it's her fault and she was wrong?????
FFS, she asked him if he still agreed with that, giving him an out and he blew it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)say siding with the Diocess against Pedophile priests victims, keeping folks in jail who didn't get a fair trial becaue info was withheld from their defense lawyers, jailing parents for kids who skip school (impact poor folks with hefty fines and jobs losses),policy of handling police shootings of minorities etc... I find her distasteful...and won't support her in a primary. I say she doesn't make it to the general, but if she does...she has my support. This isn't only about Biden.Her attacks on Biden made me curious and I spent some time researching her background including her time as DA and AG. I can no longer say I like all our candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)but this wasn't really about her, it was about him. She served him up a softball and all he had to do was say that the times were different then/he's learned a lot/he didn't like busing but the federal govt has a role...instead he wiffed.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)my feeling now are a result of my investigation of her time as DA and AG...I would never support her in a primary only a general. I can't imagine her winning a general either. Trump has passed a crime bill and pardoned a non-violent offender...he can go after her with a vengence and he will...plus I just though what she did was morally reprehensible...I posted on this a New York Times artcile with some of the issues...but I see no reason to go into it here...let's just say I was surprised and shocked. I liked Harris...I didn't support her in the primary...but I thought she was talented and smart...and she is both of those things...but after reading about some of her actions...I have to question her moral compass.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)for a host of reasons that perhaps you have recently become familiar with.
This wasn't one of them.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)will happen, I will support Elizabeth Warren in the primary. She has a better chance against Trump than Harris. Although I am not saying I think it is a good chance...still we have to try if this happens...and I hope it doesn't.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)and it is early days.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)carry those states...we will end up with a popular vote win and lose the electoral college most likely. Warren has a a little bit of a chance...but Harris none.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)blue wall, there is no path to the presidency...and not just in 20 either...in future years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)Warren's campaign with it's economic focus is tailor-made for the rust belt, and actually anyone not in the 1%. Those states took a flyer on rump, and had it blow up in their faces. They won't make the same mistake again.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Yep. Some think it's inevevatable that Biden will be the nominee, or we NEED and old heterosexual white man to beat Trump. They want him treated with kid gloves, and just handed the nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)How dare she!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)They went after him on busing. Which might have unintended consequences in Biden's favor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Paladin
(28,272 posts)Where the hell does she get off with such tactics? By God, you don't see donald trump engaging in any planning, and his base worships him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)an onion when I was in the Drama club in High School...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)thanks amigo!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,331 posts)We tend to take everything too seriously here on DU and project it into the future too much.
Watch.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mopinko
(70,216 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Clyburn and Lewis were quite supportive of Biden before the debates when Biden was being criticized by some for stating that he had worked with segregationists to get things done. I didn't think there was any problem with Biden's comments, then, because it was just an example of how you sometimes have to work with vile people to get things done.
But then -- thanks to Booker and Harris -- we found out he worked with segregationists to thwart desegregation and equality of educational opportunities. That's an issue. A locality wasn't under a court order to bus unless they were dragging their feet in desegregating and ensuring educational equality. Biden would have been better off kicking ass in Delaware to get that done, or maybe making part of his deal with segregationists that localities do the right thing.
In any event, this is what Jackson said:
"Jackson was less forgiving of former Vice President Joe Biden, who joined Jackson at a convention event on Friday. Speaking about Bidens record on busing which has become a flashpoint after Sen. Kamala Harris of California confronted him at the debate Jackson said that Harris established Biden on the states rights side of history, which cannot stand the test of time. He framed Bidens opposition to federally mandated busing as part of a larger debate over the federal governments trying to create racial equality.
"Hes for voluntary busing, Im for court-ordered busing well, everyones for voluntary busing, Jackson said. [T]he federal government had to order the abolition of slavery, the federal government had to order the right to vote, they had to order the desegregation of schools and jobs and contracts. So voluntary assumes that those who are oppressive have some will to move based on moral values, and that does not happen.
"Jackson added that Biden had done a lot of good things. . . . . . .
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/30/jesse-jackson-2020-democratic-party-1391027
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I found the attacks revolting. It wasn't the criticism which I honestly viewed as dumb...busing in the 21st century...come on...it was a failed program almost 50 years ago...no one in their right mind would run on it. It was the contrived nature of the thing...IE 'prepping'...and the contrived emotional aspect of the thing...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
R B Garr
(16,976 posts)buy her twist that Biden was nostalgic about segregationists. Give me a break! If anything, she has boxed herself out of confronting Trumplands actual racists by these distortions.
Bottom line is that arguing and distorting 40 year old issues are the food fights she lamented in the debates. Quit giving Trump ammunition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)He did no such thing. No one like busing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(8,968 posts)What could be more "spontaneous"? Harris has an inspiring and worthy story to tell, but it should not been delivered in such a cynical and calculating manner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
shanny
(6,709 posts)about an issue that was up close, personal...and had much wider ramifications.
Can we please stop calling policy differences personal attacks?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)No one is promoting it as a policy. Harris didn't have a formed opinion when it was policy.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)The need for federal action v local action is not a policy difference. Thanks for the clarification, Southern.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)which would be convenient for Biden. But the real issue is federal action in the face of state inaction...since our leading contender for the nomination decided to Bring It Up.
When you open a can of worms you get to deal with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Please not the policy being put forward by Biden that you are referencing.
This isn't an argument in the favor of Harris. She argued states rights more than once. This is the difficulty of running a DA.
Again, highlight the current states rights policy that is of clear concern to you.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Your C&P is deflection and not what was being referenced. Clearly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
shanny
(6,709 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Now she's playing shy again, like when people said she was too cautious.
She reminds me of Lucy, Charlie Brown, and the football.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Butterflylady
(3,547 posts)Would she have questioned him at all?
I think not.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)Questioning would have been fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)however I'm not bothered by Harris's actions during the debate. She has to go after him on race. Without the AA vote she won't win the primary. Harris is out to get the most powerful job in the world, and apparently she's going to swing for the rafters. I don't want our candidate to get beat up in the primaries, but Biden should have known this would come up. I still believe Biden will do better in the general election than Harris, but I'm not hating Harris for playing hardball.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)He was prepared to answer for his stance against federally mandated busing, not be confronted with I know you arent a murderer. But you voted for abortion. There was a baby nearly aborted through the law you supported. Guess what? I am that baby.
Cue baby senator pic, start selling
Baby Senator t-shirts.
Problem is that in addition to using surprise tactics, she misrepresented herself as having been federally bused.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)but I saw nothing underhanded in this move. It was just your basic political debate tactic. Throw your opponent off their game, score a point. That's what debate prep is for.
Biden has been in politics a long time, he can handle a surprise or two.
If everyone would stop villainizing each other's candidate this whole thing would blow over a lot quicker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,793 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)And no doubt she calculated Biden would respond exactly the way he did. Can't fault her for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tirebiter
(2,539 posts)Its the easiest thing to remember
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TrunKated
(210 posts)... in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(59,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,408 posts)I guess he slept that one.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 2, 2019, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)
She made that moment happen by demanding some time before the comercial Break. If you recall, Rachel Maddie was only going to give Harris 30 seconds, but it ended up being 1min 50 sec.
And the impact is showing in the polls. Biden is continuing to lose support and Harris is going up.
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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)If she is able to successfully hammer Joe Biden down, imagine what she can do to Trump.
I think either Joe or Kamala can beat Trump but the question is do we want to win with a handshake or a kick to the groin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden