Bernie invoking Hillary

[SHRED]

Ugh.

Why did he do this?

Link to tweet

[CrossingTheRubicon]

1. I feel like that's all that Sen. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt) has got.

Sad.

[namahage]

31. I miss the time when a round of boos

would be met with a "Don't boo, VOTE!"

Though considering Sanders is appropriating PBO's "Yes We Can" platform, maybe we'll see this in a future iteration?

[CrossingTheRubicon]

73. I tend to think that Don't boo, VOTE!" is still in the "playbook."

[R B Garr]

2. OMG! He still needs her to play victim !

There is no excuse for this. Such bad form, disgusted.

[Cha]

10. He's still at it.. 3 years later..

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[R B Garr]

14. Wow, Vote for Women really have him pegged.

There were early signs he would go down this path, but now it looks like he is fully committed. Disparaging Hillary is $$$. Shameful.

[Cha]

15. And, 2 weeks after BS said this..

Link to tweet

Divisive crap.. he can't stop it.

[R B Garr]

17. Yes, he is very invested in this victim narrative. Too hard

to let Hillary go. Very sad to see this contrived playbook. Another huge insight about him.

[Cha]

20. ".. not about personalities or past grievances."

Hillary is living rent free in BS' head.

I can't imagine Hillary is too impressed.. she has better things to do.

Link to tweet

[PunkinPi]

116. Love this tweet from HRC. Thanks, Cha!

[Cha]

151. You're Welcome, PunkinPi!

[LakeArenal]

145. Hillary lives in Dump's and Putin's heads as well.

Coincidence?

[Cha]

157. I noticed!

Strong Winning Woman

[calimary]

91. "...to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents...?????????

I guess everybody but Hillary, ‘eh, you old grouch?

Man - I know it’s an absolute must to vote for whomever our DEMOCRATIC nominee will be. But DAMMIT, dude, are you deliberately TRYING to make that nearly impossible? I’m trying desperately hard to keep my part of that vow. DAMMIT, Bernie - are you deliberately trying to make it almost impossible?

[Control-Z]

149. He's not alone, is he?

What is it with these men? They seem to need her. She's a tough habit to break, I guess.

[DavidDvorkin]

3. He's a nasty piece of work.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

4. The most galling part of it is that he said he was going to "flip" those superdelegates

as his path to victory.

The hypocrisy is too much as we face 2020.

[Cha]

7. Right. BS was all over the place.

[onetexan]

77. What gets me is why the DNC is allowing this grumpy old man

To run again under the Dems ticket. His 15 minutes is way up. He needs to retire from politics and stop coming across like he's constipated all the time. Hillary kicked u to the curb in '16 bernie. Live with it.

[Freddie]

84. Thank you

Great message. Wrong person. You think the GOP Slime Machine went after HRC, just wait if he’s our candidate. I just don’t think he can win in the general. People “in the middle” need a candidate they can be comfortable with. It’s not him.

[Gothmog]

89. You are not the only one who remembers this

Link to tweet

?s=20

[mcar]

129. Hmm

[David__77]

5. I'm glad the Democratic Party reduced the role of superdelegates.

...

[SFnomad]

8. It's not going to help the non-Democrat

What is he going to blame losing by 4 million votes this time?

[David__77]

12. Regardless of who's the nominee, it's a good move.

...

[SFnomad]

18. It's a move that means nothing. Even when Superdelegates didn't mean anything,

these people still put their backing behind their candidate. And it meant just as much then, even if it wasn't a "superdelegate". To believe otherwise is naive and just a futile excuse for why BS wasn't the nominee the last time.

[Gothmog]

176. I stand with the members of the Congressional Black Caucus on this change

The CBC and other groups of super delegates will be fighting this idiotic rule change https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/bernie-sanders-dnc-superdelegates-710818

A band of Democratic National Committee superdelegates is staging a revolt against a Bernie Sanders-endorsed plan to reduce their influence in the presidential nominating process, mounting a longshot bid to block the measure when the DNC meets in Chicago next month.

The proposal, a priority of Sanders’ supporters since the Vermont senator‘s defeat in a bitterly contested 2016 primary, would prohibit superdelegates — who made up roughly 15 percent of the delegates during the 2016 convention — from voting on the first presidential nominating ballot at a contested national convention.

But even as the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee moved forward with the proposal Wednesday, superdelegates outside of Washington were beginning to organize opposition ahead of the August vote by the full DNC in Chicago.

I prefer to have the support of the Congressional Black Caucus over the support of the persons pushing this rule. It is a long shot but I hope that this rule is defeated

I agree with this super delegate

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), who accused Perez of flinching in the face of criticism of the superdelegate process, called the proposal a “craven capitulation to what [Perez] describes as a perception of elitism.”

Connolly, like other opponents of the plan, argued that “disenfranchising the elected leadership of the party” would disconnect elected leaders from the party’s presidential ticket, ultimately weakening its prospects in 2020.

“I also believe the timing is wretched,” Connolly said. “We’re in the midst of the battle of our lives to win back the majority of our House, and to schedule this vote with this recommendation that came out of nowhere … is to me just wretched timing and political malpractice.”

[Demsrule86]

182. I don' agree...going to a almost certain two vote accomplishes nothing...and invites

mischief. The supers always voted for the candidates with the most delegates which is as it should be.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

13. The better move would to have eliminated all the caucuses.

They are too open to manipulation.

Having our party leadership involved in a decision-making process in picking a nominee makes sense for a political party.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Agreed!! But, we need to reduce the role of superdelegates even more...

by eliminating them altogether!! Fair primary elections, in which VOTERS get to decide which Democrat will represent us in the general election, is essential to making sure EVERY vote counts. Ranked-choice voting would be a FAR superior way to ensure voters, rather than party insiders, have the final say in choosing our candidate.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[George II]

70. No we don't. Why not work with your local party, work your way up, and maybe YOU can be...

...in a position to establish party rules and policies.

I don't consider the likes of Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, etc. "party insiders".

So, you want "fair primary elections"? When have they NOT been fair. What is your position on open primaries where non-Democrats have a say in choosing our candidate?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

71. Open primaries are wrong for the same reason.... only VOTERS who are Democrats

should elect our Democratic nominee... not outsiders... not insiders like superdelegates... that's only fair!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TwilightZone]

108. Agree that Dems should be the ones deciding, but that wouldn't help Sanders.

He lost Dems by nearly 30 points (64% to 35%) to Clinton in 2016. It's only because of independents and open primaries/caucuses that it was as close as it was.

http://graphics.wsj.com/elections/2016/how-clinton-won/

[Gothmog]

179. You know that sanders argued for all open primaries or undemocratic cacuses

Link to tweet

there was a reason for this

Link to tweet

I am against open primaries even though Texas has one The Texas state party has been trying to change this for a while

[George II]

69. With the number of candidates that probably will be "alive" at the convention, probably no one...

...will have enough to get a majority on the first ballot. Then the superdelegates kick in, and with rhetoric like that he's not going to get very many voting for him on the second ballot (if he even makes the cut)

[LongtimeAZDem]

78. I'm not; they were a key defense against divisive interlopers.

[emulatorloo]

111. Superdelegates had nothing to do with Bernie's loss in 2016

Agree with the rule change as, but Bernie lost because Primary voters chose the other candidate.

To insinuate otherwise as some people do is disingenuous and dishonest. Sorry to see Senator Sanders doing this in front of students in Iowa City.

[happybird]

130. +1

[Devil Child]

167. You aren't alone David__77

It was a welcome change for me also.

[Gothmog]

175. I disagree-this was an attack on the Congressional Black Caucus

I support the CBC http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/06/superdelegates_black_caucus.html

The Congressional Black Caucus, on the other hand, says the super delegate system provides for minority representation that otherwise wouldn't exist at the party's national convention.

Sanders, who hasn't yet conceded the race to Clinton but has no conceivable way to win the nomination, is reportedly still trying to get rid of the super delegate mechanism before he steps aside.

But black lawmakers intend to hold the line. Democratic strategist Doug Thornell, who was formerly the Congressional Black Caucus' communications director, told Politico, "Sanders did a lot of things right in this campaign, he did a lot better than expected. At the same time he seemed to have a lack of understanding or lack of relationships with black leaders that you saw ultimately hurt him in South Carolina and other states with big black electorates. And this is something that the CBC is going to be very passionate and push back against. This is a way that African-American officials can represent their district and have a say in the process. They're not going to go along with this at all."

[Cha]

6. BS just can't Get Over IT.

More Divisive Crap.. Mahalo for this, SHRED!

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

9. Arghh

[Cha]

11. Exactly, Goth. and just 2 weeks after..

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

81. Going after Hillary is a sad move

Link to tweet

?s=20

[comradebillyboy]

86. He's still bitter that Hillary won't bow down to him.

[sheshe2]

147. Guess he did not take his own advice.

Sad, Cha.

[Cha]

158. Do as he says Not as he does.

I knew that was a joke from the get go.

Does all this seem surreal and just too Déjà fucking vu , to you, too?

[sheshe2]

159. Yes it does, Cha.

[revmclaren]

16. Wow Bernie Sanders (I-Vt)

Way to court us former Clinton voters that you need to win over to have any chance of getting to the general election.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Cha]

22. And, just 2 weeks after he said this, rev..

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[FakeNoose]

19. That's it for me - I've officially ruled out Bernie

Still torn between 3 or 4 good possibilities, but Bernie isn't one of them.

[happybird]

134. Yep.

There are now 2 on my Nope list.

Of course I'll vote for them if they get the nomination, but hopefully neither will.

[SFnomad]

21. This isn't going to help. Divisiveness will put an end to his candidacy, again, as it did before

A question I've never gotten a BS cheerleader to answer ... if BS was such a superior candidate, and he's been either a Representative or Senator for nearly 30 years ... why did Sanders lose to Secretary Clinton 222 to 9 when it comes to Senators and Representatives Superdelegates?

[namahage]

26. Because being hated by your coworkers,

aka the very people you depend on to pass your laws and make your platform a reality, makes you a superior President.
Or something.

[CrossingTheRubicon]

23. It is International Women's Day.

How could I screw that up? Oh, I know.

Will this hurt the re-framing? Hmmm.

What are they thinking in the Sen. Bernard Sanders' (I-Vt) campaign?

[revmclaren]

25. It sounds like Cornel West and Nina Turner

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are having input on Sanders talking points again.



ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[Control-Z]

164. Yup. I assumed as much. n/t

[lunamagica]

24. please, let us have the 'divisivness hurts us' speech...

sanders is such a small, petty sore loser. all this time and he can'y
t get over it

[lunamagica]

27. again, who is being divisive?

[Cha]

28. Same one as always, Luna.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[lunamagica]

32. Seriously, Cha, why is he doing this? Does he expect 16.9 million Hillary voters to turn on her

and embrace him? Does he think he can win the nomination without Clinton voters?

Or is he in this just to be divisive and wreck the democratic party?

It doesn't make sense.

[Cha]

36. BS is just proving my point once again.. that I've

said over and over, since when he was out there on cnn, right after the GE, calling our Democratic Party.. "the party of the Elite" and saying how "humiliated" he was.. making it all about himself.

He's Too Divisive.

[lunamagica]

42. I can't wait to see him crash and burn (bern? lol). the sooner, the better

[Hortensis]

46. No summing up about Sanders and superdelegates

would be complete without noting that he tried to use them to illicitly have the choice of Democratic voters overridden by superdelegates in his favor. An absurd but shocking request for complete betrayal of duty that was foreordained to fail, of course.

So now he's back to supporting removal of this barrier intended to block potentially disastrous leaders from somehow getting too far, and which refuses to betray its duty to the democratic process, but for completely honorable reasons of course.

[Cha]

47. Exactly, Hortensis.. it's all Over

Twitter. Activists are Not forgetting about that.

Mahalo

[Hortensis]

51. Thanks for the reassuring report from Twitter.

Spoiler all over again is a real danger everyone needs to be aware of.

Mahalo.

[emulatorloo]

112. Indeed.

[CentralMass]

29. Frankly, because it is the truth.

[Cha]

34. BS can't stop being Divisive Even though he

said this 2 weeks ago.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[G_j]

60. Divisive

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I sure see a lot of that here.

[pnwmom]

38. So? It's also the truth that he lost to her by 4 million votes. Is he broadcasting that?

Is there some reason he's trying to alienate the tens of millions who preferred HER to HIM?

[Blue_true]

152. Hillary beat him decisively for pledged delegates.

Those are the delegates that are chosen by voters. Just with pledged delegates, she had the nomination wrapped up.

[pnwmom]

161. Yup. And he can't accept that. He thinks they would have switched sides

if they hadn't started out for her, LOL.

[Blue_true]

162. Pledged delegates are not the same as super delegates.

Voters in primaries decide how pledged delegates get allocated with their vote. Hillary won decisively there.

[pnwmom]

163. Yes -- the superdelegates were just a bonus for her -- not needed for her win. n/t

[Blue_true]

165. Sorry, my terminology was wrong.

Your interpretation of "pledged" delegates was right. Voters select "earned" delegates, by far the larger number of delegates.

Yes, Hillary had the race sewn up anyway a rational person looks at it after the northeast primary that included New York and Pennsylvania, she beat Bernie soundly that night. The only issue that I had with Hillary is that she did not immediately go to Indiana and finish Bernie off, she did not go to that state at all, Bernie squeaked out a win and regained life by following up with winning West Virginia.

[StevieM]

40. There is not one truthful word to his claim.

He lost fair and square, and there was never a possibility that he would win the support of the people and be denied the nomination.

[CentralMass]

43. The facts are that the superdelegates disproportionately delared for one candidate early and that

the MSM reported those super d's as part of the delegate count starting early in the race.

[Cha]

57. And, BS is still holding on "past grievances"

Link to tweet

Even though he asked his fans not to.

[StevieM]

93. If a member of Congress endorsed her, then by definition "a superdelegate declared."

The voters were not looking to the delegate count to determine how they voted. We never heard that from undecided voters, just from Bernie people speaking on behalf of undecided voters.

In the end, endorsements not withstanding, SDs were going to move en masse to whoever won the PDs, just like they did in 2008.

And, for the record, there is no candidate who the SDs would have been less likely to overturn the PDs for than Hillary Clinton.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

63. Since when do facts matter when it comes to being fair to Bernie?!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emulatorloo]

114. Since when did gaslighting and revisionist history become "fact"?

Senator Sanders lost the Primary because Primary Voters voted more for the other candidate.

Superdelegates had zero to do with Senator Sanders loss.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

148. All I said was Bernie stated FACT... has ZERO to do with what you're talking about.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emulatorloo]

153. You seemed to endorse Central Mass's revisionist history/Bernie's false insinuatations

Bernie’s false insinuations that superdelegates had anything to do with who was nominated last time.

That is not “Fact”

I’m not going to fight w you over this. We agree on far to much to fight.

However, i will reiterate for others reading:

The superdelegates had nothing to do with Sander’s loss, in spite of Bernie’s insinuations to those college students.

The only person I know who wanted to use the Superdelegates to overturn the will of actual primary voters was Jeff Weaver. I assume he was acting at the direction of Senator Sanders.

Take care and have a good weekend

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. You too!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[emulatorloo]

160. ....

[Docreed2003]

119. So which facts would you prefer?

You said you want voters to decide the nominee rather than "party elites". When exactly has that occurred? Because, factually, Sen Sanders lost by 4 million votes during the 2016 primary to Sec Clinton. There's only one candidate in 2016 who attempted to use superdelegates to subvert the will of voters, and that was Sen Sanders' people DURING THE ACTUAL CONVENTION! Those are facts. I would only add that criticism if Bernie is not being "unfair".

[sheshe2]

139. +1000

Bravo and Thank You!

[LongtimeAZDem]

74. Sanders knew the process of the Democratic nomination before he entered it

and then proceeded to whine about the rules all the way through.

This is why he should not ave been allowed to do it again.

[RandySF]

106. Hillary won it flat out without superdelegates.

Let's all be honest.

[emulatorloo]

113. SUPERDELEGATES DIDNT HAVE A DAMN THING TO DO WITH BERNIE'S LOSS

He lost because Primary VOTERS voted for the other Primary candidate.

That’s the TRUTH.

Stop the gaslighting and revisionist history. Doesn’t work here.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

150. Keep bringin' it... the truth will ALWAYS prevail!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Cha]

191. BS broke his "..no past grievances.." request.

[peggysue2]

30. Well, well, well. Senator Sanders and the Trumpster have something in common

Their obsession with Hillary Clinton and victimhood.

Good to know. Except for those of us who knew already

Deja vu all over again.

[comradebillyboy]

85. Ain't it the truth. Bernie still thinks Hillary should bend the knee.

[betsuni]

33. What the hell.

[MySideOfTown]

35. Bernie would better serve America

if he ran as a Republican this time. It's all about him and he isn't a Dem anyway.

[Hortensis]

48. Third party Nader role would be a natural. But that would

vastly limit press support and...as you say. It would also cost him "his" candidate's share of party support, including money earnest Democrats donated to elect a Democrat to the presidency. Understandable why he wouldn't.

Btw, just looked and as of 3 days ago (not sure) he seems to technically have become a Democrat again. There's apparently a paper somewhere that says so. My husband and I donate to the DCCC and DSCC, but not the DNC, so at least he won't get any of our money.

Anyway, as far as he goes, deja vu all over again from within. Except Democratic voters have already been there Sanders-wise now.

[C Moon]

37. Share your tax returns Sanders!

And not just one year.
One year tax return candidates:
• Donald J. Trump (2005 tax year shared)
• Bernie Sanders (2014 tax year shared)
• Jill Stein (2015 tax year shared)
• Newt Gingrich (2010 tax year shared)

[comradebillyboy]

87. We will never see BS tax returns.

[SFnomad]

125. BS didn't even share one full year ... he only shared just the summary pages n/t

[C Moon]

190. I didn't know that. That looks so bad for him.

[StevieM]

39. The superdelegates played no role in his 2016 defeat,

nor was there ever the possibility that they would.

Had he won the PDs, the SDs would have gone over to him, just like they did for Barack Obama in 2008.

Finally, there is no candidate in American history who the SDs were less likely to put over top than Hillary Clinton.

Nothing the was recently done has "ended the power of superdelegates." All the DNC did was enable Bernie to give speeches like the one he just gave. That was the real goal.

[namahage]

41. And while we're on the subject,

who was instrumental in the creation of the superdelegate system in the first place?

Why, it was Tad Devine. Remind me who he was working for again, and why he couldn't explain to his boss the need to win superdelegates to your side?

[peggysue2]

45. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk!

Bringing up inconvenient facts. You may get demerits for that.

[Cha]

49. Why yes it was.

Mahalo for shining the Light!

[emulatorloo]

120. I gotta note that when Weaver was crowing about his strategery to flip superdelegates

and overrule the will of the voters, Maddow asked Devine if they were really going to attempt this.

Devine said no, he expected it to all be over before the convention (Bernie would concede and endorse before)

After that seems like Devine was exiled by the Sanders Cambridge, I do not remember ever seeing him on TV again.

FWIW he’s not working for Bernie 2020, his team cited creative/thematic differences

[Cha]

154. Mahalo for that, emulatorloo!

Somebody didn't have a cooler head.

[Cha]

59. Precisely, StevieM!

Mahalo!

[forklift]

44. Get over it Bernie

you lost even without the superdelegates. You lost by 4 million votes.

Stop bashing a woman who made history whom you maligned out of personal ambition and the results were deadly for the nation.

Be positive now and don't bring down Democrats.

[comradebillyboy]

88. He's not capable of being positive after 30 years of

tilting at windmills. His lack of accomplishment makes him bitter.

[MrsCoffee]

50. Unfuckingbelievable.

This fucking guy.....

[Eric J in MN]

52. He didn't mention her by name.

He was making a point that the Super Delegate system was reformed.

[padah513]

53. He didn't mention her by name?

Who the hell else was his opponent? Come on man...

[Cha]

55. Ikr.. Smh..

[Cha]

54. He didn't have to.. The "Booers" knew..

anybody who hasn't been lost in space for the last 3 years knows who the hell he was talking about.

More divisiveness from BS.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Eric J in MN]

56. They were booing the difficulties Bernie faced. NT

NT

[Cha]

58. BS was holding onto "past grievances" even though

he asked his fans not to.

Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

64. Obviously... but, hey, one should never miss an opportunity to bash Bernie!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[LongtimeAZDem]

76. He chose run as a "Democrat", and then whined like a child about the rules

[lapucelle]

83. What difficulties?

BS was allowed to run as a Democrat in both 2016 and this time as well.

An independent candidacy could be appealing because of "huge frustration at both parties." But the drawback was, he said, that it's very difficult to get on the ballot in 50 states.

snip=============================================

"It's easier to get on the ballot, you can get into the debates, and the media will take you more seriously."

The disadvantage? "People are not overwhelmingly enthusiastic about the Democratic Party."

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/28/8510603/bernie-sanders-president-2016

BS himself said he was running as Democrat because it was easier.

Corbin Trent of Brand New Congress learned well from the 2016 model which some might argue can be viewed as exploitive:

What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries.

[Eric J in MN]

99. The difficulty of facing an opponent endorsed by

...hundreds of Democratic officials.

[lapucelle]

100. So what? Over 200 of those endorsements came from BS's Congressional colleagues. N/T

[SFnomad]

128. I've tried numerous times to get a BS cheerleader to explain that to me ...

I've never gotten an answer as to why someone who has been a member of the House and Senate for nearly 30 years could only get 9 out of 238 members to endorse him. In the Senate, he only got 2 endorsements, and one of them was himself!!!

[LongtimeAZDem]

75. You cannot be serious. If you are, you're being disingenuous.

[LuvLoogie]

92. He didn't mention Hillary Clinton by name because he doesn't respect her...

and he is intimidated by her.

[TwilightZone]

102. That is one of the funniest comments I've ever seen on this site.

He didn't have to mention her by name. Are you serious? lol

[LongtimeAZDem]

107. I know, right? If I say, "The guy that currently lives at 1600 Pennsylvania is a rat bastard",

I can't say, "I never mentioned Trump by name". That would just be flat out dishonest.

[emulatorloo]

121. Aww so adorable. Who do you think "my opponent" referred to? Lincoln Chaffee?

These kinds of tactics aren’t going to work this time.

[Eric J in MN]

122. Of course he meant HRC but he

...didn’t use her name because his point was that he had a challenging situation.

[mcar]

131. That was not his point

[LongtimeAZDem]

136. His "challenging situation" was entirely of his own making. He chose to use a party that he was not

a member of, and had criticized for decades, to try and get a Presidential nomination.

And then, he whined incessantly when said party resisted it.

[sheshe2]

142. Who was his opponent again?

smh.

[pnwmom]

166. The system will probably going to come back and bite him anyway.

Because if there isn't a person with a majority in the first round of voting -- especially unlikely with him working to alienate Hillary voters -- then the superdelegates will get to vote in the next.

And I suspect they'll pick someone other than Bernie to heal the divisions in the party. Bernie's not exactly a healer.

[Squinch]

61. Almost seems like he's TRYING to split the Democratic vote, doesn't it?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. Almost seems like Bernie's making a valid point that the established superdelegate system is unfair

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Squinch]

80. Snork.

I guess he's not the only one who seems like he's going to try to do that again.

[emulatorloo]

115. No, seems like he's being intellectually dishonest and smearing real voters

It was primary voters who selected the nominee in 2016.

Superdelegates had nothing to do with Bernie’s loss. Voters chose the nominee.

He was low on my list before, he is off it now.

If he should win the primary I will support him in the general because I always support the Democratic nominee.

[TCJ70]

65. That's a good change from 2016. The SD endorsements were turned into...

...and counted as votes that didn’t exist yet. In fact, it was so bad that Wasserman-Schultz herself asked the networks to stop doing it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-national-media-has-be_b_9364170.html

“The way the media is reporting this is incorrect,” Wasserman Schultz told Rachel Maddow of MSNBC on February 20th. “There are not pledged delegates — or ‘super-delegates’ — earned at any of these caucus contests.”

She went on to note that super-delegates are “free to decide [who to vote for] anytime up until July,” and can change their mind at any time — one reason they can’t be reported as being conclusively attached to any particular candidate. “So combining them [the voted-on or ‘earned’ delegates and the super-delegates] at each phase of this contest is not an accurate picture of how this works,” she said.

This isn’t an invocation of Clinton. It’s a celebration of a good change to our primary system and a way to make sure accurate reporting happens.

[NurseJackie]

66. America needs candidates who aren't living in the past...

America needs candidates who aren't living in the past. We need candidates who look forward. We need candidates who aren't in it for vanity purposes or settle old scores.

If the candidate isn't PROGRESSive then he (or she) is simply spinning their wheels or moving backward (REgressive).

Americans deserve better than that.

[emulatorloo]

117. America need candidates who aren't encouraging false conspiracy theories

He used to say he lost fair and square. He did lose fair and square with primary voters.

Assume the hot-headed comic book guy is “helping” again with messaging.

[NurseJackie]

156. Things like that serve NO good purpose whatsoever. Pride and vanity, at the expense of the party...

Things like that serve NO good purpose whatsoever. Pride and vanity, at the expense of the party is a "luxury" that we simply cannot afford.

All I'm trying to say is that there's no good reason for anyone to lie about the past, or to smear and denigrate the party. Things like that only divide us and weaken us. It causes resentment and suspicion. It drives people out of the party and it discourages others from joining the party... or supporting Democratic candidates... or volunteering... or donating.

I stand AGAINST the BS rewriting of history. I will always be OPPOSED to BS conspiracy theories. You can most assuredly include my voice in the chorus of those that speak out AGAINST anyone who seeks to purposely harm the party or tarnish the party's reputation. That's total BS!

[aka-chmeee]

67. Just one more way he is like someone else we know /nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

68. She lives rent-free in so many people's heads.

[karynnj]

79. The strategy of getting those SD upfront was not to stop Sanders, but probably Joe Biden

In an open year, it is completely atypical for there to be so many pledged superdelegates - all to the same person. However, if you look at 2000, one thing that made Bradley's challenge less successful is that many Senators from the liberal wing - notably Kennedy - who politically were likely closer to Bradley endorsed Gore saying he had "earned" their support as VP.

In 2008, one factor that enabled Obama to narrowly eke out a win over Clinton was that he was able to get a few prominent endorsements prior to superTuesday - including Kennedy and Kerry. Those endorsements, a well run Obama campaign and Clinton errors were all needed to derail what had been seen as an inevitable nomination.

I would bet that the Clinton team worked very hard - likely starting as early as 2013 when HRC left the SD to convince superdelegates to endorse her. Her WH meeting with Obama was seen by many as him tacitly endorsing her as his likely successor - in spite of his strong personal connection to Biden.

As to Bernie, I remember when what I heard in his hometown was that he "might" win Vermont. He was likely HELPED by the fact that there was no opposition to HRC after O'Malley dropped out. While it is obvious that he developed an enthusiastic base supporting him and his policies, he won some votes only because the choice was him or Clinton. Even so, he NEVER was in the position of having more pledged delegates. Therefore even if the SD had no vote (just whatever support their endorsement would have due to their own credibility), HRC would still have won the nomination.

It also ignores that SD can - and do - change their position. In 2008, there were actually a large number of SD including people like Pelosi, who said they would announce for the winner of the pledged delegate count -- because they would not overturn the decision of those participating in the primary process. If Bernie would have won the majority of the pledged delegates -- he very likely would have had enough of the pledged delegates move to support him.

[Squinch]

82. Same three Bernie or Busters in this thread spewing the same old nonsense. It's like a time machine!

Hopefully more people are smarter this time around.

[LongtimeAZDem]

94. If they were, the DNC would have never accepted Sander's "pledge"

[emulatorloo]

118. It is over the top and it is very transparent. I don't think the playbook is going to work this

time.

[MineralMan]

90. And yet, Hillary still would have been the nominee.

She won more primaries. She won more delegates. She won more votes.

This is not a winning strategy by Senator Sanders. He will need something other than sour grapes to succeed in 2020. Whining about losing does not generate new votes, and without new votes, Sanders will lose once again.

The field is much, much larger now, and probably will soon have Joe Biden in it. Bernie has a tough, tough battle ahead of him, and mistakes in his campaign rhetoric are not going to serve him well.

Hillary Clinton is not running in 2020. Relying on her as your main opponent isn't going to work, Senator Sanders. Look around at the others who are also running. Look closely. They're the ones you have to beat, not Hillary.

[yardwork]

95. BS has been very hypocritical about the superdelegates.

During 2016 he was against them, then for them, then against them.

It's a telling example of political cynicism and lack of truth and credibility.

[LongtimeAZDem]

103. In 2008, he was fine with them since they were for Obama

In ‘08, Sanders Endorsed Obama – Before Clinton Formally Exited Race

[Gothmog]

96. There are a large number of real democrats with long memories

Link to tweet

?s=20

[mcar]

133. I'm one of them

[NastyRiffraff]

98. Like Trump, he can't let go of Hillary

She seems to live in his head. And he's still whining about superdelegates. Note to Bernie: It's 2019, not 2016. Give it a rest.

[RandySF]

101. Bernie violated the DU Terms of Services :)

[LongtimeAZDem]

104. Yep, and that puts posters here in a bind. Can we talk about the last primary if in response

to Sanders' public statements?

[NurseJackie]

109. Ask the admins. Maybe they have something to say about that.

Yep, and that puts posters here in a bind. Can we talk about the last primary if in response
to Sanders' public statements?

Ask the admins. Maybe they have something to say about that. It's a legitimate question that deserves a straightforward response.

Good luck!

[sheshe2]

143. Yes he did.

[emulatorloo]

110. Yeh well he lost because more Primary Voters voted HRC. Superdelegates had nothing to do with

his loss.

Sickens me that he’s being intellectually dishonest w students in Iowa City. And why is he still obsessed with HRC? She’s not running?

[workinclasszero]

123. So what about that statement isn't true?

Educate me please.

[LongtimeAZDem]

126. It's not that it isn't true, it's that it's deplorably hypocritical when he just recently said:

"Let us do our very best to engage respectfully with our Democratic opponents - talking about the issues we are fighting for, not about personalities or past grievances."

Link to tweet

[namahage]

141. Well, technically Hillary's not his opponent now

So I guess that’s different somehow, right?

[bkelly]

172. For starters

He didn't ever say the name Hillary or Clinton at his campaign events. The stuff in the tweet quoted by the OP, in between the brackets [] is added in after the fact by the person posting it to try to provide context. It wasn't part of what he said. What he said was that the super-delegate system has issues.

[betsuni]

173. I think not.

[namahage]

174. Nah, he just said "my opponent."

Pretty sure he meant Martin O’Malley there, didn’t he?
And, by the way, your claim that he didn’t ever say the name Clinton in his campaign events is demonstrably false:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-iowa-2020-rally-speech-transcript-2019-3

And that great start in Iowa led us to win victories in 22 states around the country, 13 million votes, over 1700 delegates at the convention and more votes from young people - black, white, Latino, Asian American and Native American - than Trump and Clinton combined.

Sounds like a certain pResident bragging about his Electoral College “win”...

[Cha]

183. I figured that "claim" was false.. OMG..

Can't he just be real?

[Cha]

186. For Starters.. You're Wrong. BS didn't

need to say Hillary's name when he said "my opponent". Anyone who hasn't been in outer space for the last 3 years knows who he's talking about.

He could have talked about his Buzzwords "super delegates" without mentioning Hillary. But, he just had to get the "Boos".

And, you wrong on the second talking point, too.. as the poster above just informed you.

[Cha]

185. BS is breaking his own ".. no past grievances" request..

Link to tweet

He could have talked about his Buzzwords.. "super delegates" without bringing Hillary into.. he just had to get the "Boos".

[lapucelle]

124. Has BS pledged to remove his own name from the superdelegate list? N/T

[sheshe2]

144. ...

[mcar]

127. Not a good move, IMO

And the crowd booed?

[LongtimeAZDem]

132. Of course they booed. His base is loyal only to him, not to the Democratic party.

[mcar]

135. I guess we should be grateful they didn't chant anything

[Cha]

187. BS is too Divisive to be

our candidate.

[comradebillyboy]

137. So does Bernie think he's running against Hillary again?

It's just amazing the hate he shows her. It says a lot about his character.

[LongtimeAZDem]

138. I don't think it's hatred for Clinton; I think it is hatred for the party.

[comradebillyboy]

140. I saw his performance at the breakfast in Selma honoring Hillary

and the look on his face was pure hate. It galled him that these civil rights leaders were honoring her and not him.

[Cha]

171. omg.. that's right! Civil Rights Leaders

were honoring Hillary and he had to watch. omg..

Mahalo for posting this pic, comradebillyboy.. it's one of my favorites of Hillary.

[sheshe2]

146. So, by dissing Hillary he is alienating her past supporters.

Does he really think that he can win the primary without us? Fact is, he cannot.

This go around it is not just him or her. We have a slew of excellent candidates running this time. I have listened to their announcement speeches. All are fully aware of threat of a trump, yet all their messages were looking to the future with bold ideas for a better future and a path to do just that. His, sadly was re-fighting the last primary.

GOTV2019~

[aikoaiko]

168. Because it is a good example of why superdelegates need to go.

Or their roles minimized into near oblivion.

[betsuni]

170. Superdelegates don't actually have superpowers.

Maybe it's because I haven't seen any of those Marvel Comics movies, I never understood the whole superdelegates-as-villain thing.

[RandySF]

177. That's a very good question

Does he want the party's full support or not?

[saidsimplesimon]

178. Someone should ask him, on the record. imo

[Cha]

184. BS is breaking his own "..no past grievances.." request.

Link to tweet

[liberalnarb]

188. Not attacking Hillary Clinton. He's attacking the superdelegate system.

[Adrahil]

181. Like Trump, he's still running against HRC

I’d like to remind Sen Sanders that he lost to her her without super delegates ever coming into play. What will he blame this time?

[ecstatic]

189. Can he count?

Doesn't seem like he can. I want a smart president who can count.

[Cha]

192. KICK!

[Cha]

193. K