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Castro Contradicts His Past Statements On Border Enforcement (Original Post) liskddksil Jun 2019 OP
Why does this not surprise me essadaw Jun 2019 #1
Who gives a shit what Trump and bigoted, racist, Republicans think? Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #7
Extremely bad form calling Castro a hypocrite. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #9
I'm just stating facts liskddksil Jun 2019 #13
You are not stating facts. Far from it. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #14
I posted real video from CSPAN of Julian Castro's own words nt liskddksil Jun 2019 #15
Yes, you did. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #16
Nothing dishonest about stating facts. End of discussion nt. liskddksil Jun 2019 #17
I agree that there is nothing dishonest about stating facts. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #18
Castro didn't do himself any favors with Texans last night Indygram Jun 2019 #2
The polls show Castro as one of the winners of last night's debate DesertRat Jun 2019 #4
There haven't been any scientific polls nt. liskddksil Jun 2019 #6
Attacking Castro doesn't improve Beto's poor performance. cwydro Jun 2019 #3
Because Castro's policy which Warren also unfortuanately signed on to liskddksil Jun 2019 #5
Beto's description of his policy was incoherent Politicub Jun 2019 #11
Was Pretty Clear To Me But We Also Have A Plan For That liskddksil Jun 2019 #12
He has a lot of fantastic ideas. Politicub Jun 2019 #19
Why in the world do you think he would hold the same view today as Obama did? SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #8
Interestingly, I never saw any of these posters Tipperary Jun 2019 #20
"All they are doing is drawing more attention to it." SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #22
I liked what Castro said earlier, but as the debate went on, he was pandering at times. kysrsoze Jun 2019 #10
A lot has changed in terms of immigration policy Bettie Jun 2019 #21
I don't get all the over the top buzz about Castro today BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #23
 

essadaw

(185 posts)
1. Why does this not surprise me
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jun 2019

I’m not surprised he is a hypocrite— I just wished he hadn’t gift wrapped a soundbite for Trump. Trump’s campaign manager is already tweeting about how last night’s debates showed Democrats were for completely open borders. Didn’t mention Castro by name but rather trying to brand our whole party.

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Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
7. Who gives a shit what Trump and bigoted, racist, Republicans think?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jun 2019

People who are bigoted are already voting for Trump. We don’t need to “win” their vote.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
9. Extremely bad form calling Castro a hypocrite.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jun 2019

Really bad form.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
13. I'm just stating facts
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:03 PM
Jun 2019

If he wants to make snide remarks at Beto don't expect his supporters not to fight back.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
14. You are not stating facts. Far from it.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:05 PM
Jun 2019

That is the shady part.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
15. I posted real video from CSPAN of Julian Castro's own words nt
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:06 PM
Jun 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
16. Yes, you did.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:08 PM
Jun 2019

Then made some extremely shady connections. Dishonest attacks like yours should not be allowed here. Your words don't match history, his views, his station at the time, or reality.

What's an even worse look is falsely attacking a democrat who is polling as low as Castro is. Kind of tells you where you are at. Beto had a bad night. I've supported candidates who have had bad nights. I didn't then go make up things in order to attack other candidates.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
17. Nothing dishonest about stating facts. End of discussion nt.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jun 2019
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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
18. I agree that there is nothing dishonest about stating facts.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jun 2019

Little of what you are dabbling in are facts.

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Indygram

(2,113 posts)
2. Castro didn't do himself any favors with Texans last night
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:51 AM
Jun 2019

Political suicide. He'll never be elected to any office in Texas after that.

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DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
4. The polls show Castro as one of the winners of last night's debate
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:40 PM
Jun 2019

I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting the VP nomination.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
6. There haven't been any scientific polls nt.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jun 2019
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
3. Attacking Castro doesn't improve Beto's poor performance.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:26 PM
Jun 2019

Kind of a bad look too.

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liskddksil

(2,753 posts)
5. Because Castro's policy which Warren also unfortuanately signed on to
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:41 PM
Jun 2019

is a general-election disaster in waiting gift-wrapped to Trump. Beto's policy is progressive but sensible and could win 60 votes in the Senate.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
11. Beto's description of his policy was incoherent
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jun 2019

Castro supplied details. I could leave the debate and summarize Castro's POV in a sentence. That's not something I could do with Beto. About the best way I could describe Beto is he supports incremental changes to the legal code, but I couldn't tell you to what end.

Castro advocates making illegal border crossings a civil offense. That's easy to understand. You may not like the policy idea, and that's fine, but it was communicated in a clear and memorable way.

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liskddksil

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12. Was Pretty Clear To Me But We Also Have A Plan For That
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:01 PM
Jun 2019
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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
19. He has a lot of fantastic ideas.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jun 2019

I hadn't read this yet... thanks for the link. I would vote for his plan. He needs to work on his delivery to make his proposals more memorable with fewer words, though. What I took from last night as a relative Beto-neophyte is that he likes to tell stories and tries to connect with people by showing empathy.

On the stump, storytelling and narratives can be used in abundance since there isn't a clock running. Storytelling does make things memorable. The debate stage is different. You can get across one anecdote, maybe two, but that's only an amuse-bouche. The entree -- the proposal -- is what people need to hear in such a way that it's memorable and separates Beto from the pack. Castro was excellent at this (who knew?) and I think that's why he's getting so much attention today. Bill Clinton excelled at the anecdote followed by impactful message style of storytelling.

Beto will learn quickly, no doubt. But it is a different way of communicating than he uses out in the field. I didn't see his debate performances in Texas, so maybe I'm off base.

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SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
8. Why in the world do you think he would hold the same view today as Obama did?
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jun 2019

That makes no sense.

The attacks on Castro this morning are really shady.

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Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
20. Interestingly, I never saw any of these posters
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jun 2019

express a bad opinion of Castro before.

Apparently, they think they are distracting from Beto’s performance fail. All they are doing is drawing more attention to it. Kind of sad.

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SouthernProgressive

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22. "All they are doing is drawing more attention to it."
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:56 PM
Jun 2019
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kysrsoze

(6,022 posts)
10. I liked what Castro said earlier, but as the debate went on, he was pandering at times.
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jun 2019

I thought he was wrong to take the stance he did, but I did like the emphasis by a few panelists on working to fix things in Central America, so people don't have such horrific conditions to escape from in the first place.

I found it surprising that none of the candidates even bothered to address immigration from Asia, Africa and the Middle East. People from all over the world want in too, and there are a lot of people who have overstayed on their visas and some have been deported as well.

There was also no mention of the issue of the indentured servitude inherent in the H1B process, and how many of those subjected to it have elected to return to their home countries. We're losing very good talent.

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Bettie

(16,117 posts)
21. A lot has changed in terms of immigration policy
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 01:28 PM
Jun 2019

and action since 2013.

Seems like a natural progression.

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BannonsLiver

(16,411 posts)
23. I don't get all the over the top buzz about Castro today
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

I mean he did fine but I’m not sure it was super memorable.

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