********DEBATE THREAD 2************

[a kennedy]

[Lithos]

1. 1325 is just a start

Not the end point...

[jezebel321]

2. Castro just ended Beto. nt

[Lithos]

5. I think we reached nuance

Which is not good for either...

The story is now lost for both

[ecstatic]

70. +1000. nt

[drray23]

7. Beto seems more at ease in town halls and small gatherings

That he is on a debate stage. He is getting run over by the others and offer responses that leave an easy line of attack for his opponents.

[we can do it]

10. Beto is out of his league.

[MoonchildCA]

54. I agree...

He was so impressive against Ted Cruz, but Ted Cruz... It’s a whole other ballgame now..

He just needs a a bit more seasoning. I don’t think he should have given up his seat in Congress.

[we can do it]

75. Agree

[forgotmylogin]

203. The bar is so high though. Beto has a place in government.

[we can do it]

206. I agree, senate maybe.

[Indygram]

13. No he didn't...he just made Beto more appealing to moderates

No one will beat Trump by being for open borders. It MUST be illegal for drug and human traffickers to cross the border.

[we can do it]

78. Lacks depth.

[grantcart]

178. Beto has much more depth on immigration than Castro

Castro has way oversimplified a very minor part of the problem.

Having a criminal sanction for people entering the country is required for the rare cases where hard core criminals do enter, eliminating it as Castro suggests is highly irresponsible.

I organized the resettlement of over 500,000 refugees into the US


Among the hundreds of thousands of families were dozens of criminals including rapists, serial killers and even a couple murder/cannibals. We were very good at screening them in the refugee camps in SE Asia.

During the Mariel Boat Lift thousands of criminals landed from Cuba including known murderers who, under Castro's plan would face no criminal action because they committed no crime here.

Beto knows this and avoided the cheap empty response. Beto has talked more often and with more depth about the causes of the migration problems in Central America.

[LiberalFighter]

20. How so?

Personally, for me, Beto's style seems to lack substance. Or something.

[Indygram]

39. Beto has tons of substance

He's just not a rude, obnoxious ass.

[a kennedy]

3. I don't like this...yelling at each other.....

please keep it civilized.

[Jersey Devil]

6. agree. It's degenerating by the second

The moderators have to put a stop to it.

[Indygram]

21. Me either...

I've had enough of blowhards over the last few years. DeBlasio and Castro are now beneath that weird mayor from Miramar on my list, lol.

[msongs]

4. youtube live link freezes too much, looks like they are all shouting over each other tho nt

[a kennedy]

9. Moderators need to keep the peace, and only one speaker at a time.

[Jersey Devil]

12. mods definitely have to take control

They are not doing their job.

[lindysalsagal]

8. Castro is very commanding. But I'm not feeling good about this "jump in and shout over" the other pe

person format. Mostly because the women can't do that: It will be held against them, just due to sexism, and they know it. So, this style is sidelining the women. Not cool. If this is moderated, it's not really being moderated very well.

[yellowdogintexas]

42. shouting over one another is uncool

too much like #45

[ecstatic]

71. Good point. nt

[nolabear]

11. I'm glad they're taking the kids in cages to 45.

And I’m glad the mods are asking specifics.

[riverwalker]

14. The guy on the end McGarvey

Is annoying.

[JI7]

15. who ?

[riverwalker]

22. Lol. I mean Delaney

He keeps shouting over people

[Bayard]

35. Definitely

A pause for breath doesn't mean you get to jump in uninvited. DeBlazio has done some of that too.

[Lithos]

16. Ok - this has been a great debate

A discussion which is a huge change of pace from the crap the POTUS has been shoving into the media...

[nolabear]

17. They're SANE! All of them!

[Lithos]

18. Oh yeah!!!

I love the Democratic Party!

[wyldwolf]

19. welp! I'm a proud Democrat tonight. You don't realize just how stupid the GOP is...

... until you compare it to what's on the stage tonight.

[nolabear]

24. Ain't that the truth.

[hlthe2b]

23. I am NOT a Tulsi Gabbard fan, but she gave a VERY GOOD response on Iran.

Credit where credit is due

[Celerity]

29. +1

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

33. Loved that she used the word "Chickenhawk"

to describe Trump's advisers.

[sprinkleeninow]

63. I'm somewhat impressed by her tonite contrary to the supposed negativity

that's been connected with her.

I am thoroughly enjoying tonite.

[Ohiogal]

36. Yes, she did.

[peggysue2]

47. She was surprisingly good

Focused, sharp and dead on the money. War with Iran would be catastrophic. For everyone. The fact she served in Iraq gave her answer additional authority. I'm not a Gabbard fan but she won some points.

[LiberalFighter]

25. Overall I say this is a good debate tonite so far.

Hopefully it helps to weed out the right ones.

[Indygram]

26. The moderators are terrible

They have no control at all.

[riverwalker]

27. Klobuchar had best line

Foreign policy shouldn’t be decided in your bathrobe at 5 AM. Good one 👍🏻

[customerserviceguy]

50. She has had some good lines n/t

[True Dough]

28. Chuck Todd coming up soon!

Everyone have your eggs and rotten tomatoes ready!

[Indygram]

30. It will be a welcome change if he actually moderates

these are the weakest moderators I've ever seen.

[yellowdogintexas]

38. won't Rachel be there to provide some sanity ? n/t

[Ohiogal]

31. So refreshing to hear

Sane, intelligent, people instead of hateful morons.

[Bradshaw3]

32. Impressed with them all

But Delaney and DeBlasio need to stop interupting and yelling for attention. I like DeBlasio but he's almost coming off as bullying.

[RainCaster]

34. Warren needs Castro in her cabinet

His ideas on immigration are first rate and need to outlast his campaign.

[dawg day]

195. Inslee too-- (Cabinet)- I like the way he makes climate change a focus

Only one candidate will emerge from all this, but every candidate can help guide the debate and keep important issues in focus.

[Cetacea]

37. Maddow up next

This has been a great debate.

[nolabear]

40. Rachel! And, you know, Chuck.

[Nanjeanne]

41. Impressed with Castro. Always supported Warren and was glad to see her

passionate support for MedicareForAll. Shocked myself re DeBlasio but stop interrupting. Booker had been good as well. And Inslee had a couple of good moments.

[customerserviceguy]

48. I knew that de Blasio would interrupt

It's the way people talk in the NYC area.

[Jersey Devil]

53. Add Booker into that equation

Joisey guys are no different.

[customerserviceguy]

56. True

but he and Beto are still in polite mode. If either of them were my preferred candidate, I'd be a bit disappointed.

[Nanjeanne]

58. I'm from NY and grew up in Manhattan and lived there for 40+ yrs. it's not a NYC

thing.

[customerserviceguy]

107. I lived there

from 2007 to 2017, and I still go there frequently, and while not everybody does that, anybody who wants to get heard pretty much has to. I even started doing it, and I have to dial it down now that I'm in SC.

[Nanjeanne]

158. Ok. I lived in TN, IL & CAband went to school in Boston & ppl interrupt in plenty of places

if it’s in their nature.

But plenty of non NYers think like you do about us native NYers so no worries.

[customerserviceguy]

176. It is a Northeast thing

that's for sure.

[ecstatic]

87. lol, but not true. nt

[customerserviceguy]

112. Just my experience

and de Blasio lived down to my expectations.

[BeyondGeography]

43. Jesus Christ

What an embarrassment.

[JDC]

45. No kidding. Clowns

[True Dough]

44. It's official

Chuck Todd ruined the debate!!!!

[EarnestPutz]

52. In five minutes of technical problems?

What are you talking about?

[True Dough]

55. It's a joke!

You notice the emoticon??

[EarnestPutz]

90. My mistake. I don't like Chuck but I thought...

...you were torpedoing the the event. Sorry. No sense of humor, I guess.

[True Dough]

91. No worries

But, be aware, about 70% of my posts are in jest. I like to keep it light. There's not enough of that around here, IMO.

[EarnestPutz]

101. Good for you. 70% sounds about right. I'll try to up my game.

[True Dough]

104. Your username

was a good start!

[EarnestPutz]

149. Thanks. It's the small things we do. Only one DUer has....

....made fun of my name and he was a humorless techno-geek on the environment and energy topics thread.

[earthshine]

46. It's like watching a game show. Don't you dare give a wrong answer! nt

[pangaia]

51. I wasn't going to waytch but have watched for about 35 minutes...

eh too much yelling

[pangaia]

49. the intermission moron is back screeching about the electoral colege.

somebody please shoot him with a paint gun

[Lithos]

57. Warren gave a very good nuanced answer

Hard to deliver..

[H2O Man]

59. I like

all of them.

[a kennedy]

61. Me too.......

[EarnestPutz]

198. Me too. I think that half a dozen could be in a cabinet post come 2020.

[smirkymonkey]

60. The little bit I have watched has been good.

Every single one of them is leaps and bounds ahead of Trump in every way.

However, for some reason, this is making me uncomfortably anxious. I don't know why. Maybe it's because there is so much at stake. I need to check out for a while. I think I will just read about it tomorrow.

[wyldwolf]

62. Booker - strong answer on my top issue

[tblue37]

197. Guns? nt

[wyldwolf]

205. yep

[JudyM]

64. Love the Tim Ryan point about addressing social issues that make kids want to commit violence.

He’s into mindfulness training for schoolkids, that would fundamentally change this country and IMO it’d ultimately decimate Republicans by teaching kids to understand and work with their negative feelings.

[yellowdogintexas]

65. Rachel is not taking any guff off the shouters nt

[Arkansas Granny]

66. I wish they would tell the audience to keep quiet. We don't need the pep squad.

[nsd]

68. +1.

[BeyondGeography]

67. Lol...What about poor Delaney?

[True Dough]

69. He'll get his time

right after the debate goes off the air, it seems.

[RainCaster]

74. Blah blah blah...

Management spew.

[IluvPitties]

72. Booker is looking good! So is Warren.

[madaboutharry]

73. Why is Chuck Todd obsessed with McConnell

continuing to act like an asshole?

[drray23]

84. Because it's a real problem the incoming potus

Will have to deal with. Like it or not, mcconnel can stop everything .

[LenaBaby61]

154. Why is Chuck Todd obsessed with McConnell?

Probably because he'll be his guest this weekend, and he'll allow that racist, filthy criminal to spew, spew, spew, spew and lie, lie, lie with NO substantiative follow-up questions or push back with his stupid hair looking self.

[frazzled]

76. Doesn't it seem like the time allotment is pretty skewed?

I’m not doing counts, but it seems like the majority of time is being given to just 5 or so of the candidates.

[femmedem]

80. Yes, Inslee is hardly getting any time. I'm hoping that changes when they get to climate change. n/t

[aaaaaa5a]

81. Yes. But that is always a problem with these debates.

It’s a part of the game.

[ecstatic]

77. LOL. Booker: You have a black son? Well I am a black man!

That's how it came across.

[frazzled]

94. You mean DeBlasio, not Booker

Booker doesn’t have a son (and he’s black)

[ecstatic]

97. Yeah, I know. Booker directed his response to DeBlasio

after DeBlasio brought up the point that he's the only candidate with a black son.

[customerserviceguy]

148. That's how de Blasio became mayor of NYC

I was living in the area at the time, had been for at least half a dozen years, and had never heard of him. Then, he put his son (with a full 1970's Afro) on a TV commercial for his campaign, and he took off after that.

[Lulu KC]

207. Something bothersome about that part

Of course his point is valid and sincere, but it felt very white people-ish. Kind of like "I have Black friends" plus. I'd like to hear what his son has to say.

[aaaaaa5a]

79. Warren won the first half of the debate.

Booker is dominating the second half.

[True Dough]

82. It does seem like we're hearing more from Booker

than from several of the others. Although I agree he's been impressive.

[ecstatic]

83. Inslee has great ideas, but the package/presentation isn't going to work, I don't think. nt

[BeyondGeography]

86. I like him a lot but he's a little stiff

Would be thrilled to have him as my governor.

[a kennedy]

85. I just wish the toad man wasn't asking questions.......ugh

[Hekate]

88. I just cannot stand Chuck!

[phylny]

99. Does Rachel get to ask a question? n/t

[MontanaMama]

138. Toad can't quit interrupting people.

He’s so awful.

[BeyondGeography]

89. The women wait their turn, never jump in

Let’s elect one President.

[Politicub]

106. It's time. Past time, actually.

[Bradshaw3]

173. Yes to that

I like all the male candidates but the shouting and interrupting of some turns me off.

[IluvPitties]

92. Booker, Castro and Warren are the big winners tonight.

The rest won't make it to the top of the ticket for sure.

[zonkers]

96. Agree. Happy fo Castro & Booker particularly.

[nolabear]

102. Castro surprised me. Not half bad.

[Hekate]

143. Glad to see Casteo gaining some traction here tonight. He's really quite good.

[zonkers]

146. Castro seems brilliant.

[Blue_true]

191. Yeah.

I sort of expected him to be plain vanilla and fade into the background. He has made his presence known.

[Politicub]

109. What?! Not the second guy on the left and Delaney??

Just kidding...

[frazzled]

122. I agree with your list, but would add

that I think to a certain extent Warren underperformed compared to expectations, Castro exceeded expectations, and Booker was just about where I expected him to be.

[MoonchildCA]

145. This is my take too.

I had a similar comment in the former thread. They will see a poll bump.

[femmedem]

163. Absolutely. I think this catapaults Booker and Castro to top tier if they can raise the funds.

Warren was outstanding but that wasn't a surprise. I suspected this would be Booker's breakout moment. I didn't know what to expect from Castro. I didn't like his interrupting, but other than that, a really fine job.

[IluvPitties]

177. Booker looked fantastic in my view.

Castro was the biggest surprise in my book. Warren is solid- she would be ready from day 1 and she ain't playing.

[aaaaaa5a]

93. Booker has really found a good groove.

[Shell_Seas]

95. I just changed my first pick from beto to Castro.

[onecaliberal]

139. I like him a lot too. They're all great.

[nolabear]

98. God I hope the world is watching. Look! Smart, sane people!

One way or another we can be proud.

[BeyondGeography]

100. DeBlasio meant to say, "with no respect to the Congressman"

He has scored a few points but not without being annoying.

[Indygram]

103. Beto just put out a plan that actually includes putting the responsibility to declare war BACK to

Congress

Wish they would allow him to say that.

[aaaaaa5a]

105. Deblasio jumps Beto AGAIN.

You would think Beto was the leader or something. Beto has had a long night.

[msongs]

108. deblasio, the guy responsible for the behavior of the NYPD. no credibility IMO nt

[emmaverybo]

202. De Blasio was hated by NYPD because he tried to reign them in. Don't you remember their all

turning their backs on him, literally?

[customerserviceguy]

171. de Blasio

ran a campaign ad on Charleston, SC television, it was right between the car dealers ads.

[ecstatic]

110. Gabbard grabbed the mic!

Finally! A woman interrupts!

[nolabear]

111. Gabbard ate Ryan's lunch. 😂

[MrsCoffee]

117. She drank his milkshake!

I was impressed and I really don't like her.

[nolabear]

120. Me either! But that was good.

[peggysue2]

121. She did indeed!

[LenaBaby61]

133. Gabbard ate Ryan's lunch. 😂

Not the biggest Tulsi fan, but she flayed him like a fish

I'm so tired of Ryan and this "Democrats are elitist" crapola.

Yeah, nothing about this 👇🏻 picture says elite 🙄

[jcgoldie]

113. There's too many fucking people on the stage...

How can anyone get into a substantive answer or have any sort of meaningful back and forth with ideas? I don't know what the answer is but what I see is a bunch of people desperate to get a few words in and get on camera because there's too many damn people on the stage.

[Hekate]

190. By next month there won't be

[BeyondGeography]

114. Inslee, zing

[walkingman]

115. Ryan just lost any chance of my vote - Get the Fuck out of Afghanistan.

[ecstatic]

116. +1000. nt

[Celerity]

118. Gabbard lit him up

[aaaaaa5a]

128. Glad to see a woman finally mix things up.

Debating Trump won’t be easy. You have to clash eventually if you want to win.

[BeyondGeography]

123. He was having a pretty good night until then

Talk about being out of one’s depth.

[proud patriot]

119. I am so Proud of my Congresswoman

Tulsi is Rocking .. admit it you want to hear more from her.

[madaboutharry]

126. She has done well.

[peggysue2]

137. Have to admit, she's . . .

impressed me tonight. She just crushed Ryan and her answer regarding war with Iran was spot on. She's definitely had a moment!

[Politicub]

162. She's impressive.

I know less about her than some of the other candidates, but her performance makes me want to learn more. It is hard for me to square her performance on stage with her “move on - no collusion” reaction to the Mueller report, though.

[MoonchildCA]

124. Kudos to Inslee

The only one who mentioned Russia ask the greatest threat.

[Goodheart]

140. That was DiBlasio.

[MoonchildCA]

170. Oh shit. Was it?

Maybe I should have watched without the wine...

[sprinkleeninow]

201. Inslee answered 'TRUMP' was the greatest threat to the US

to which the audience gave a rip snortin' applause. 😄

Two stellar answers, russia ✔ and trump. ✔ 👍

[ecstatic]

125. Beto's slow delivery doesn't work well in a fast

paced debate.

[nolabear]

129. Agreed. He's okay but just okay.

[aaaaaa5a]

130. He's had a bad night.

[Indygram]

150. I disagree...that last answer was the best answer of the entire night

eom

[aaaaaa5a]

167. +1 Different opinions. That's why it's fun.

All of the candidates are better than Trump.

[customerserviceguy]

136. And he's still doing that flailing around thing. n/t

[IluvPitties]

153. We need a guy like Beto in the Senate.

[peggysue2]

169. I don't think this format serves O'Rourke well

He shines in the small setting, the up close and personal. But he's getting drowned out in this large debate platform.

[Goodheart]

127. Delaney, stick to the topic, please.

Would you punish trump, yes or no?

[Celerity]

151. punish Rump

[Pryderi]

131. So far Warren and Castro are top 2 in tonight's debate. n/t

[NYC Democrat]

132. Warren really should be getting more time, she's mostly given the best answers but doesn't interject

[hedda_foil]

135. I agree. She needs to lean forward more. She's not getting into the mix enough.

[jcgoldie]

147. She's fine

She has substantive ideas and there is no place for that in this scrum and race for soundbytes. She does not benefit from bickering with the Ryans and Deblasios...

[customerserviceguy]

164. Yep

She's got the only guaranteed ticket out of this debate.

[onecaliberal]

152. The media would say she's angry or pushy or something stupid.

She’s fantastic and has done well.

[pnwmom]

134. Seems like it's been a while since they called on Warren. n/t

[aaaaaa5a]

141. Mods are now overcompensating

For the first 20min.

[themaguffin]

142. There's too many people. She got a fair amount of time, especially the first half.

[BlueStater]

144. Did they talk about climate change AT ALL tonight?

No one has been talking about it in this thread or the other one, I can tell you that.

[elleng]

155. Yes, a lot.

[Celerity]

160. a lot

[hlthe2b]

161. Yes... a couple of questions... Most of them ignored the question to expand on their climate change

plans. Given it was a Chuck Todd "gotcha" question about Federal outlawing of building in high risk areas, I was sort of glad they ignored him.

[onecaliberal]

165. Yes, they did.

[Hekate]

172. Yes. When asked what they would do about sinking Miami, Beto danced. Right now Inslee is putting it

...front and center in closing.

[BlueStater]

181. Thanks for all the replies.

Good to know it was talked about. I guess the format just sucks. It's hard for anyone to stand out with so many egos on stage. It pisses me off that the moderators won't even try to be fair and give everyone equal time.

[aaaaaa5a]

156. My top 5.

1. Booker
2. Warren
3. Castro
4. Deblasio
5. Klobuchar

Big Loser:
Beto

[IluvPitties]

166. You know, I felt Amy lost tonight.

She just does not stand out enough and lacks passion. I suspect something similar will happen to Mayor Pete tomorrow.

[madaboutharry]

174. I think she did very well.

[aaaaaa5a]

175. I'm worried about Pete tomorrow.

I think he is going to have a long night. It’s the beginning of the end for him.

[Hekate]

199. Pete's got genuine troubles back home right now. Fortunately, he is very young & has a long career.

I wish Mayor Pete all the best in the future. His initial outing on the national stage has been warmly received, and I am very impressed by him.

[aaaaaa5a]

180. Amy is going to resonate with a lot of people.

Not everyone in the party has moved left.

She would make an excellent VP for Biden. Her style can win a GE.

[IluvPitties]

182. I like Booker for VP.

[Skya Rhen]

192. I absolutely agree with you. I really hope that Joe selects her for VP - she is one of the few

candidates who has not thrown him under the bus, as yet. Plus she is pragmatic, like him, and can help tremendously with swing states. I have liked her for some time...

[Indygram]

168. My top 3

1. Beto
2. Warren
3. Klobuchar

All of the screechers and rude candidates are off my list completely. We see enough of that with Trump.

[BeyondGeography]

157. Delaney, oy

Weak close by DeBlasio. He is best when he’s interrupting people.

[hedda_foil]

159. I don't think Delaney did himself any favors.

[customerserviceguy]

183. I disagree

He was (and may still be) a virtual unknown, but he had a chance to grab some Biden voters by articulating his position. It may not be one that most DU'ers have, but my bet is that he gets a bump tonight.

[hedda_foil]

194. I don't see anyone moving from Biden to Delaney. To Ryan, yes -- not to Delaney.

Ryan has a tought guy demeanor and was all about the heartland and working folks. Delaney came off as a wimpy blowhard -- the kind of guy a bully like Trump would slap around until the wimp was his obedient servant like Graham.

[customerserviceguy]

196. Next week's polls will be interesting to see. n/t

[Hekate]

179. Julian Castro closes with: "Adios, Donald Trump!"

[Lithos]

184. A nice summary

!!!

[Goodheart]

186. Castro and DiBlasio advanced themselves the most tonight.

Warren, Castro, Booker, DiBlasio, Gabbard were on top.

Tim Ryan and Beto O'Rourke struck out.

[Hekate]

187. I keep forgetting that Senator Elizabeth Warren, PhD is a Community College grad! That...

...warms the cockles of my heart.

[musicblind]

188. Warren's closing words moved me to tears.

Biden is still my choice, but it is inspiring to hear Warren talk and know she means every word.

[frazzled]

189. If you liked one or more of these candidates and want to hear more from them

Here’s what you’re gonna have to do, especially if they’ve not been in the top tier thus far:

Make a donation to their campaign, and if you have a partner or spouse, divide your total donation between both of you. Because the candidates need a certain number of small donors in addition to certain amounts of money to qualify for the debates this fall.

That’s what mr. Frazzled and I just decided to do for Castro and Booker after tonight. I’d like to hear from both of them again, and we won’t if they can’t raise enough money from enough donors to qualify.

[jxla]

204. ActBlue link for Julian Castro

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/julian-debates-ads?refcode=sapphire_ads_201906_google_search_debate_v5&recur_weekly=on&recurring=on&amount=25

[Stonepounder]

193. Is it my local station or network wide - every commercial break contains a Right Wing

message basically attacking all Dems. WTF?

[Hekate]

200. I usually mute commercials, so when I looked up I was rather shocked. Seems the RW trolls...

...bought air time.

[underpants]

208. 👀

Marking to read later