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comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:13 AM Jun 2019

You Think It's Hard to Run Against a Woman, Bernie Sanders? Try Running as One.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/you-think-its-hard-to-run-against-a-women-bernie-sanders-try-running-as-one?ref=home

Turns out Joe Biden isn’t the only presidential candidate making tone-deaf comments guaranteed to provoke key Democratic constituencies. Enter Bernie Sanders, who postulated Friday that Elizabeth Warren is gaining on him in part because "there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected.” The idea that Americans—even progressive Democrats—are so eager for the coming matriarchy that it’s an obstacle for a man like Bernie is laughable, and demonstrably false.

According to a Morning Consult poll, Bernie supporters overwhelmingly break for Biden as their second choice. Somehow the woman with whom the Democratic-Socialist senator is ideologically closest loses his voters to the most conservative candidate in the field. Twenty-six percent of Berniecrats told an Emerson poll earlier this year that they would even choose Trump in a general election. Meanwhile, Warren still has to fight to win over voters who should be her natural base: women who say they like her, but worry that she can’t win. This self-fulfilling prophecy was captured in an opinion survey this month conducted by Ipsos for The Daily Beast, which showed that while 74 percent of Democrats and independents say that they are personally comfortable with a female president, just 33 percent say that their spouses and neighbors would be. That means every man in the field has a de facto leg-up by virtue of being male.

Running for president while female is a disadvantage, plain and simple. Suggesting otherwise makes Bernie sound like any other white man complaining about supposedly being passed over for a “diversity hire.”
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You Think It's Hard to Run Against a Woman, Bernie Sanders? Try Running as One. (Original Post) comradebillyboy Jun 2019 OP
K&R Vegas Roller Jun 2019 #1
It's ironic that the media and others use a fact as stated by a politician as a cudgel. Autumn Jun 2019 #2
It's dismissive. TwilightZone Jun 2019 #5
It's however you take it. If you dislike the person saying it your going to find fault with Autumn Jun 2019 #6
BS. Tone deaf is a mild word for him. cwydro Jun 2019 #3
Poor Millionaire Bernie Me. Jun 2019 #4
At this point he sounds like a professional victim. MrsCoffee Jun 2019 #7
I mentioned to someone that I was considering Warren Merlot Jun 2019 #8
I'm not crazy about Warren, but it certainly isn't because she's a woman. Too bad some... George II Jun 2019 #9
resentful men JI7 Jun 2019 #12
K&R betsuni Jun 2019 #10
maybe it's the fact that Warren actually answers questions about her own proposals JI7 Jun 2019 #11
 

Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
1. K&R
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:18 AM
Jun 2019

Senator BS releases various memes like this:
"We want a woman POTUS but not this woman."


Then there is a whole cadre of BS supporters who call women choosing a woman candidate as "vagina voters." This is extremely condescending to women which has been Senator BS's mindset as shown in his life from his essays to his attacks against female opponents.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
2. It's ironic that the media and others use a fact as stated by a politician as a cudgel.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:19 AM
Jun 2019
"there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected.” That's the truth. The media and a few are using the electability bullshit to keep the women candidates poll numbers down because "she can’t win".
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TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
5. It's dismissive.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jun 2019

The insinuation is that they're only supporting her because she's a woman.

It's not any more complicated than that. This also isn't the first time he's made similarly dismissive comments.

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Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. It's however you take it. If you dislike the person saying it your going to find fault with
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:50 AM
Jun 2019

the way it's said. To you it's dismissive, I like facts and what he said It implies nothing more than fact. "there are a certain number of people who would like to see a woman elected.” If you can prove differently please do so.

Even the author let this fact slip out in their anti-Bernie piece

Warren still has to fight to win over voters who should be her natural base: women who say they like her, but worry that she can’t win. This self-fulfilling prophecy was captured in an opinion survey this month conducted by Ipsos for The Daily Beast, which showed that while 74 percent of Democrats and independents say that they are personally comfortable with a female president, just 33 percent say that their spouses and neighbors would be. That means every man in the field has a de facto leg-up by virtue of being male.
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cwydro

(51,308 posts)
3. BS. Tone deaf is a mild word for him.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jun 2019

I can’t say what I really want to say.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. Poor Millionaire Bernie
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jun 2019

living the life and still complaining. Maybe he should read "The Princess Who Wouldn't Smile"

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MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
7. At this point he sounds like a professional victim.
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 10:51 AM
Jun 2019

Everyone is out to get Bernie.

It couldn't possibly be that people are tired of his attack dog style.



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Merlot

(9,696 posts)
8. I mentioned to someone that I was considering Warren
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:20 AM
Jun 2019

His first words: "I hate that woman"

Okay. Not sure why this person who is a democrat is so vehamintly against one of our top-tier and rising candidats. Given that no follow-up regarding parts of her policy he disagreed with was forthcoming, I can only imagine one reason for the dislike.

Another person I talked to supports one of the other candidats but fears that because his candidate is a "white guy" he won't get much of a chance.

They probably have no idea how sexist they sound.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
9. I'm not crazy about Warren, but it certainly isn't because she's a woman. Too bad some...
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 01:37 PM
Jun 2019

...have to point out that he/she isn't going to support a candidate happens to be a woman.

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JI7

(89,262 posts)
12. resentful men
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019
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JI7

(89,262 posts)
11. maybe it's the fact that Warren actually answers questions about her own proposals
Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jun 2019

and he is unable to

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