More than one-third of Democratic voters want Bernie Sanders to drop out of the 2020 presidential...

[George II]

Full Headline:

More than one-third of Democratic voters want Bernie Sanders to drop out of the 2020 presidential race

More than one-third of voters want Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont to drop out of the 2020 presidential race, making him one of the highest in that category among the large field of candidates.

The results of the poll as the 2020 primary race heats up could ultimately spell trouble for Sanders, who has carved out a lane as the Democrats' far-left option to unseat President Donald Trump.

According to a new poll from USA Today and Suffolk University, 35% said Sanders should drop out, compared to 40% who were excited about his candidacy, 21% with no opinion, and 4% who had never heard of him.

(more...)

Link to the full article:

https://www.businessinsider.com/democrats-want-bernie-sanders-drop-out-suffolk-university-poll-2019-6

Link to the poll itself:

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2019/6_19_2019_marginals_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=0A8B98E4C936874B91CECF3F3B51939D5D9E8D9E

Also, Business Insider is considered a left-center bias source:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/business-insider/

[maxsolomon]

1. 100% of me wants over half the field to drop out.

The Governor of MT? Freaking run for Senate.
Swalwell? Concentrate on nailing Trump's ass.

etc.

[True Blue American]

21. Beto?

Run for Semate against Cornyn.

[onetexan]

49. I wouldnt mind if Biden picks him as VP candidate

[TexasBushwhacker]

124. He can't beat Cornyn

Cruz is an arrogant asshole and plenty of Republicans hate him. Cornyn is inoffensive.

I think Beto would be a great VP candidate though.

[Duppers]

22. Same here.

Thanks.

[True Blue American]

25. Beto would make

A great Senator!

[Duppers]

28. Indeed. nt

[Amimnoch]

48. Beto needs to be on the Presidential ticket.

Texas already has an INCREDIBLE Senate candidate in Mary Hegar. She’s close, but I suspect it will be similar to 2018 for Beto with a close, but just short result.

If Beto is not on the ticket as either POTUS, or VPOTUS, Texas electoral votes are not going to happen, and the ability to pull a Senate upset is very questionable.

A synergy between Beto on the national ticket + Hegar on the senate side could very well land us the Texas 38 electoral votes PLUS a +1 count in the Senate. At the very least the Republicans would have to spend a crapload of their un-primaried war-chest just trying to cling onto this state that they normally can rely on and spend relatively little defending.

[Honeycombe8]

32. Me, too. They're in it for their own gain, w/no chance of being the nominee.

They only gum up the works and siphon off donor money and media attention.

If they don't have 1% at this time, they should drop out.

If they can't make the future debates w/the DNC criteria, they should drop out.

There are only a few real contenders in the race.

[Chemisse]

35. I will agree with you - after the first set of debates.

If they don't get a significant bump, they need to clear out and find a different way to contribute.

[luvtheGWN]

51. Well, there's this:

With such a large field of candidates, it makes it more difficult for Dolt45 to aim his small quiverful of hateful, spiteful and poisonous arrows -- too many targets. By the time the field gets narrowed down to the top 3 or 4, they'll have made enough of a good impression that those arrows will lose their potency. and if ALL the current candidates refuse to respond to Dolt45 (in other words, IGNORE him) then that would be so much better for them, and for the Party.

[masmdu]

62. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[maxsolomon]

98. How am I wrong? I'm offering MY opinion.

I want half the field to drop out. It's a pretty simple statement that doesn't have jack to do with the poll.

I note you posted this same response about 10 times in this thread.

[Cha]

107. A third of Democrats want Bernie Sanders to drop out of the race

Link to tweet

[Codeine]

127. This.

There’s no point at all in a circus. The bit players need to move on.

[Me.]

2. Whoa

is it decision-making time?

[masmdu]

63. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[Me.]

104. But It Says 35% Of Dems

[Cha]

108. A third of Democrats want Bernie Sanders to drop out of the race

Link to tweet

[Me.]

110. That's What It Says

I see a possible decision in his near future

[Cha]

111. This is encouraging.. maybe

it will grow as time goes on?

[masmdu]

120. Follow the link. The article says "voters" Not "Democrats"

[LibFarmer]

112. Amazing that a Warren supporter

is fighting for Sanders with so much passion as to make 14 identical posts in one thread.

Astounding.

[Turin_C3PO]

3. I'd like a lot of candidates to drop out.

I don’t think it’s fair to single out Sanders though. He’s still a top contender.

[George II]

5. That's why I provided a link to the actual poll. There are others, but BS is at 34.63%....

....the highest "prominent" candidate. Bill DiBlasio is at 42.23%, and no other is higher than 27.02% (Kirsten Gillibrand)

[Turin_C3PO]

6. I'd like Gillibrand and Gabbard to drop out the most.

Sanders dropping out would help my second choice, Elizabeth Warren, I think.

[masmdu]

58. CHANGE your OP. Headline is FALSE

You added "Democrats". The article says "Voters". You should change it or remove OP.

[TwilightZone]

4. Not surprising. That would help a few other candidates.

It's also not surprising that he's near the top in that category.

[masmdu]

64. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[sheshe2]

7. What whoa.

[Gothmog]

8. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[masmdu]

65. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[bahrbearian]

9. I didn't realise that there were so many Corporatist in the party.

[George II]

12. I don't know what constitutes being a "corporatist", but suit yourself.

[murielm99]

29. I think a corporatist is

anyone who does not feel the bern.

[okieinpain]

34. +1 n/t

[reACTIONary]

42. I think corporatist means...

... "not my preference".

[betsuni]

71. All those words: establishment, status quo, neoliberal, elite, corporatist, mean the same thing.

[reACTIONary]

44. It's just a smear...

... it doesn't mean a thing. Neither does "neo-liberal".

[masmdu]

59. CHANGE your OP. Headline is FALSE!

You added "Democrats". The article says "Voters". You should change it or remove OP.

[TwilightZone]

17. Not sure what Corporatists have to do with it.

Some (or most) of them are probably supporters of Warren or other candidates. It would benefit others if Sanders dropped out of the race, particularly Warren.

You think she's a Corporatist? Or her supporters? That would be a ridiculous assertion.

[pnwmom]

45. Yeah, right. Like corporatists who prefer Elizabeth Warren.

[namahage]

78. That figure includes Independents.

Perhaps they've got corporatists in their midst, as well?

[Codeine]

128. Learn to pluralize. nt

[LibFarmer]

10. More and more are going to realize this as time goes by

The divisiveness brought in by Sirota, Joy-Grey et al is not good for the Democratic party.

[True Blue American]

23. What happened to

Nina Turner?

[masmdu]

67. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[LibFarmer]

81. You're wrong -- see post #80. nt

[Cha]

92. lol.. someone finally

replied to the "wrong" post.

[Me.]

101. Don't Forget Nina

[NYMinute]

11. K&R nt

[mcar]

13. That's a tough poll

Ouch.

[masmdu]

68. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[lunamagica]

14. Yes, Sanders. Prove it's about the issues and not about your ego, and drop out

[George II]

15. Warren is similar or better on BS' issues, and articulates her position better.

[lunamagica]

16. I find her a much superior candidate in every way.

[Still In Wisconsin]

43. Bingo. Warren is just as progressive as Sanders issues wise, without being

a self-serving egomaniac.

[Doitnow]

47. She doesn't beat trump better! And I like her, too. This is our daily smear-Bernie post.

Grossly unfair. There must be some HUUUUUUGE fear that Bernie will actually DO something in Washington what with the daily slam he gets.

[masmdu]

60. CHANGE your OP. Headline is FALSE!

You added "Democrats". The article says "Voters". You should change it or remove OP.

[progressoid]

37. You can say that about all the candidates.

Prove it's about the issues and not about your ego, and drop out

[masmdu]

70. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

See post #54

[still_one]

18. If Sanders dropped out and threw his support behind Warren, it would drmatially change the primary

race.

Unfortunately, I do not believe he will do so, and hurt both of them, especially if it goes to an open primary

[riversedge]

31. a little over 23 % also think Warren should drop out.

[NCjack]

19. If Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders would drop out, that would really energize the

remaining candidates. But, that is just those candidates pipe dream.

[George II]

24. Why would the candidate who is leading by 2-1 or more in most polls drop out?

[masmdu]

57. CHANGE your OP. Headline it is FALSE!

You added "Democrats". The article says "Voters". You should change it or remove OP.

[melman]

90. Wow

Why would someone post something so misleading?

[NCjack]

121. To open a big lane for Warren, as an act of love for Warren and in recognition

that she would be a better president. Note that I'm not suggesting that, I'm just saying that it would be a real convenience for Warren if those two withdrew.

[Celerity]

36. Bernie has the lowest ceiling of any of the top 10 candidates

I have watched multiple interviews with actual voters on MSNBC in the last two days

Latinxs in Miami

African-Americans in South Carolina

mostly whites in Pennsylvania and Iowa

all sorts of different age cohorts

The one unifying theme was that the vast majority said (especially the Miami and South Carolina crowds) was that the one person they would not (some even said they might vote Trump if he wins our nomination) vote for in the general was Bernie.

It is electoral suicide to nominate him, and also he can (and may well) do great damage if he has no path to the nomination, yet refuses to drop out (as he has a large, fanatical base who will keep pouring in good money after bad to sustain his campaign) and pulls a repeat of 2016 and goes full stop scorched earth against the remaining 3, 4 (or even 1 or 2) remaining front-runners.

I occasionally (not much as it is sickening) go read the non DU Berner sites, YT channels, and Twitter feeds, and they are viciously opposed to Warren. It is disgusting to see most of the invective used against her and all the other of our candidates (except for Tulsi Gabbard, who they are convinced will be the next VP for POTUS Bernie).

[BlueJac]

20. I know people are worried about 2020, I am too...

but the debates will thin out the herd of candidates. I thought this was DU! The circular firing squad is happening in real time! Everyone should support the winning candidate. We can not afford another 2016! Think about it!

[yaesu]

26. that's funny, they never asked me and I'm an American, the last time I checked. nt

[BigOleDummy]

27. How in the hell....

… can 4% of people NOT have heard of him?!?

[RandiFan1290]

30. Too bad

We can't wait to vote for Bernie again.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. K&R

[Doreen]

38. I want him to drop out also.

I want Inslee to drop out also. I want Inslee to stay here in Washington state.

[maxsolomon]

96. Inslee's term is up in 2020.

What do you want him to do in WA State?

Jay's running for a cabinet position - Interior, Energy...

[Doreen]

99. I didn't realize his term was up.

My mistake.

[Cheap_Trick]

39. So 2/3 don't

But that's against you bias.

[StTimofEdenRoc]

53. Yes, that leaves 67% that say stay in, when most of the candidates struggle to get 3% support.

The debates and primary's will narrow the field soon enough. They will also give needed exposure to potential VP's and cabinet office picks.

[namahage]

131. And 80% don't want Biden

to “slink off into retirement,” either.

[Cheap_Trick]

40. And not this DEMOCRATIC voter

But Biden can slink back into retirement any day.

[Cha]

41. Interesting.. I wonder why?

[Me.]

100. THey Want A Win?

[Cha]

102. Oh that's right... we're

in the most important primary campaign season in the history of the world and WE WANT TO WIN when we get to the GE!

[Me.]

105. Yes We Do

No Second place will do for us

[Still In Wisconsin]

46. Personally I don't give one shit what Bernie Sanders does. He was relevant in 2016...

hell, I voted for him in the primary. 2020? Not so much. But if people want to continue to throw their time and money away supporting Bernie Sanders, that's their right.

[shanny]

50. did they ask how many want Biden to drop out?

if not, why not?

[namahage]

61. Why, yes they did.

Pages 5-6 of the linked poll:

27. I’m going to read you a list of some Democrats who may oppose Donald Trump in the 2020
election. For each, please tell me whether you would be excited to see this person run, no strong
feelings, or that you hope this person drops out of the running. If you’ve never heard of the
person, just let me know. Let’s start with (RANDOMIZE a-x). Excited, no strong feelings, drop
out, or never heard?
[Excited, No Strong Feelings, Drop Out, Never Heard]
...
b. Joe Biden 50.65 25.73 20.55 3.07
...
e. Pete Buttigieg 30.74 15.70 18.28 35.28
...
l. Kamala Harris 39.64 20.71 19.09 20.55
...
r. Beto O’Rourke 26.38 23.79 24.92 24.92
...
t. Bernie Sanders 40.61 21.20 34.63 3.56
...
v. Elizabeth Warren 37.06 25.89 23.14 13.92

[shanny]

74. OK thanks

interesting that 50% are excited to see Biden run, but his support nationally is closer to 35%

makes me wonder about the methodology

[namahage]

87. Possibly because in this poll question,

only those who identified as Dems or Independents were counted?

[customerserviceguy]

52. I'm not pushing for that to happen

but it wouldn't terribly disappoint me if it did.

[masmdu]

54. **WRONG** Misleading reading of poll. Here's why ...

The percentage cited of those who want Bernie to drop out is 35%. BUT, that is 35% of ALL those responding to the poll.
65% of whom are NOT Democrats. (Read the poll: question #3)

So, perhaps this poll shows the opposition fears Bernie the most and therefore want him to drop out.

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2019/6_19_2019_marginals_pdftxt.pdf?la=en&hash=0A8B98E4C936874B91CECF3F3B51939D5D9E8D9E

[namahage]

66. Read the question closer.

{FOR 3.1 or 3.3}
27. I’m going to read you a list of some Democrats who may oppose Donald Trump in the 2020
election. For each, please tell me whether you would be excited to see this person run, no strong
feelings, or that you hope this person drops out of the running. If you’ve never heard of the
person, just let me know. Let’s start with (RANDOMIZE a-x). Excited, no strong feelings, drop
out, or never heard?

(N=618)

They only asked this question of Democrats or Independents (hence the smaller N size).

[masmdu]

75. Where does it say that?

Only 350 Democrats responded to the poll. The article that is linked to doesn't say 1/3 of "Democrats" as the OP misleadingly does. It says "voters".

[LibFarmer]

84. Read the methodology. The link is in the OP.

[honest.abe]

122. Above the dropout questions, it says "for 3.1 and 3.3" which refers to question 3...

where they asked voters what party they belong. 3.1 = Democrats 3.3 = Independents.

No Republicans.

[LibFarmer]

83. They are unskewing the polls

[LibFarmer]

80. You forget the statistical probability

that only 10% of the republicans want Bernie to drop out because he would be the easiest to beat and ....

that means ... 85% of Democrats want him to drop out.

People who live with statistics would think of this interpretation far far more plausible.

[Doitnow]

55. As for saying Trump and Bernie have so much in common. NO THEY DON"T.....

I watched LOTS of Bernie's speeches prior to the 2016 election. Late in the race, Trump SAID all the great things he was going to do for everybody, mimicking Bernie because he saw how Bernie was attracting new followers.... but Trump was LYING. Bernie does NOT lie. Bernie has been saying the same things for years because the same things have been going wrong still and people want a lot of things changed. That does not make Bernie a radical. A lot of things need changing.

I, for one, will vote for Biden, if I have to, but my heart won't be in it because Biden will be much like Hilary. He will have to be dragged to do much. He won't even show up now for different candidate events. Does he want a coronation or something? And still the media fawns over him like they did for Trump, excusing him for past misdeeds which have been offensive to certain groups.

As for the socialist label that you think trump will hang on Bernie. That will only happen if YOU LET IT. Most all the other candidates have borrowed the same language and the more the better. People know that Bernie wants the same things the majority wants.

Bernie constantly asks for people to come together. He is not divisive as many would say who would tell him to stop running for office. Who has any right to tell him not to?

It's very early in the race. As I said before, I will vote for any Dem in the general who wins, but so much nastiness is going on against Bernie daily, I doubt the reverse will be true for many other-than-Bernie folks. Is that what you really want? Then surely trump will win.

[masmdu]

56. LIE! The headline doesn't say "Democrats" but your OP does...

Change or Delete.

[namahage]

69. This isn't LBN. OP titles don't have to match headlines.

But technically, it isn't just Democrats but also Democrats and Independents. So perhaps a change is warranted.

[masmdu]

72. AND Republicans!

[namahage]

73. If they polled them for that question, sure.

Read the question, and more importantly, the qualifying text and sample size, again.

When everyone is polled, the sample size (N) is 1,000. The sample size for the question at issue is only 618.

Which, not coincidentally, is the sum of those who responded Democrat or Independent to question 3.

[masmdu]

77. Perhaps but not clearly stated. The OP however, is Wrong.

The article linked to says "Voters". The OP replaced that with "Democrats" which is untrue in either case.

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. Can't you just admit you were mistaken? Question #3 was answered only by Dems & Independents.

And as you've been told, this is not the Late Breaking News forum, so the headline doesn't have to match the article. What's so hard about that?

[Cha]

93. Thank YOu!

Whoa!

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. Hi Cha!

[George II]

85. Lie? The headline said that when it was first posted and when I posted it, as does the link.

[George II]

86. Lie? I copied/pasted the headline when posted. That's what it said then, as still does the link.

[R B Garr]

76. This makes sense.

[pamdb]

79. Bernie Bots

Add me to the list. And my husband.

[mtnsnake]

88. 100% FAKE headline by you which is not what the article said. You should have edited it

a long time ago.

It's one third of voters, not Democrats, and for all you know, some of those voters in that poll might be Republicans who want Sanders to drop out because they are scared shitless of him beating Trump.

[namahage]

89. How about instead of relying on headlines,

you actually check the facts? The OP graciously posted a link to the poll results on which the article was based.

And by reading them, we KNOW the ones answering didn't say they were Republicans (of course, they might have lied about their affiliation, but if we assume this, then what's the point of polling at all)?

[mtnsnake]

115. Sounds to me like you're completely okay with someone falsifying an article's headline

in an attempt to belittle a candidate. Oh well, to each their own.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. No surprise really... but, if a lie negatively impacts Bernie, guess just go with it.

Apparently, there are different standards for Bernie.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[AncientGeezer]

91. Let's pretend your headline is accurate...still leaves 2/3'rds that don't want him to drop out

When I do math...2/3'rds in way higher than 1/3

[mtnsnake]

116. + 1000

[honest.abe]

123. Bernie has by far the highest dropout numbers among the major candidates.

The others are in the low 20's or less.

[roody]

94. Quoting Bernie,

"Let the voters decide. "

[LibFarmer]

109. Every poll that comes out shows that voters are deciding.

[Codeine]

129. He seemed unhappy last time they decided. nt

[NNadir]

97. Add me to the list. He won't do it; but I wish he would. n/t.

[dlk]

103. We Need a Democrat to Represent the Democratic Party

It just makes sense.

[betsuni]

113. K&R

[BlueStater]

117. Biden and Sanders should both drop out.

Their time has passed.

[Cha]

118. As long as Biden is leading in the polls

unlike BS.. there's no way he should drop out.

[LongtimeAZDem]

125. So, we have a candidate that is beating Trump in numerous polls, and you want him to drop out?

Seriously, WTF?

[BlueStater]

133. Does he have ANY selling points other than being better than Trump?

Wow, that must have been a really difficult hurdle for him to overcome.

Also, I've seen polls where other candidates defeat the scumbag. There goes the only argument for Biden's candidacy right out the window. Oops.

[Codeine]

130. If his time has actually passed

then the polls will reflect that. At the moment yours seems to be an inaccurate reading of the situation.

[BlueStater]

132. I don't give a damn what some stupid polls based on name recognition say.

He's almost 80 fucking years old and he is the wrong person to be leading this party and country into the future. His generation had their time and I wish they'd get off the stage already, at least on a presidential level.

[Buzz cook]

119. So they all should get behind a candidate they like.

35% will give someone the lead.

[aikoaiko]

126. Quite a few people want everyone to drop out.

Bernie is one of the highest as the article reports, but 20-26% of respondents want most other big name Democrats to drop out, too. In perspective, Bernie's numbers are only about 10% higher than the rest of the field.

IMO, Bernie should stay in as long as he can.

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