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highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:29 PM Jun 2019

Trump-hating George Conway: If Democrats insist on holding a circular firing squad, may they

please do it quickly.






if the dems insist on holding a circular firing squad, may they please do it quickly





Please read the replies there, some of which are from Democrats, not just other Republicans or former Republicans like Conway who hate Trump and are hoping desperately that Democrats can beat him in 2020.





And then there's this tweet from Tom Nichols yesterday, another NeverTrumper who's hoping the Democrats win in 2020:






Democrats, I have only the slightest preference among your many candidates, and I will vote for your nominee. But if you run a scorched earth campaign against Biden that turns into an indictment of the entire party - and of Barack Obama, by extension - you're all truly insane.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Trump-hating George Conway: If Democrats insist on holding a circular firing squad, may they (Original Post) highplainsdem Jun 2019 OP
if we are talking about circular firing squads, blaming dems, and mopinko Jun 2019 #1
He is right. dewsgirl Jun 2019 #2
It's like we don't even want to win. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2019 #3
Ding, Ding, Ding! peggysue2 Jun 2019 #6
1000% True Blue American Jun 2019 #7
I don't think that Joe Biden... cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #16
Well said BigOleDummy Jun 2019 #21
I also agree with this. nt trev Jun 2019 #26
this is where I am at as well, and I am not 100000% locked into Pete either. If not him Celerity Jun 2019 #29
I would vote for Joe if he wins the nomination... BlueJac Jun 2019 #27
George Conway... HopeAgain Jun 2019 #4
Making his point for him! Butterflylady Jun 2019 #9
I love the presumption that's it is George who is the Hypocrite crazytown Jun 2019 #12
Tom Nichols hit it right on the button. oasis Jun 2019 #5
Ikr.. "ex gop", btw! Cha Jun 2019 #33
I agree 1000 percent! Hulk Jun 2019 #8
Well said Hulk! FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #28
the point is, why does he continue making these gaffes Skittles Jun 2019 #30
Wrote about this yesterday and got flamed that Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #10
I really hope everyone here Butterflylady Jun 2019 #11
Could the circular firing squad be due to trump induced trauma? ecstatic Jun 2019 #13
George Conway melman Jun 2019 #14
You addressed everything except the point he made. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #18
What's my narrative and how does the truth about who George Conway is "prop it up"? melman Jun 2019 #24
Excellent post, LW! Cha Jun 2019 #34
Conway is not wrong. aquamarina Jun 2019 #15
There must be a compromise between "firing squad" and not speaking up More_Cowbell Jun 2019 #17
I'd vote for Joe, but what did we get out of working with Dixiecrats back then? Marcuse Jun 2019 #19
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2019 #20
Ironically, the segregationists Biden worked with were also Democrats IronLionZion Jun 2019 #22
It is becoming apparent that we can do better than Biden Renew Deal Jun 2019 #23
WAY better Skittles Jun 2019 #25
No, that's your opinion. Cha Jun 2019 #32
WOW! That's what we've been fighting against, Cha Jun 2019 #31
 

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
1. if we are talking about circular firing squads, blaming dems, and
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019

not talking about the msm, we arent gonna get to the truth.
or the solution.

eta- and the twitterverse

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Undecided
 

BlueTsunami2018

(3,492 posts)
3. It's like we don't even want to win.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019

With this absolute nonsense going on. We have a bonafide, real deal racist as the FUCKING PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW who is pushing a white supremacist agenda and we’re ticky tacking our own people as racists who clearly, CLEARLY are not. Just to try and score ultimately meaningless political points in a primary.

It’s madness.

Why not ask Legitimate President Obama if he thinks Joe Biden is in any way, shape or form a racist.

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peggysue2

(10,832 posts)
6. Ding, Ding, Ding!
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jun 2019

2020 will determine who and what we are as a country, as a people. We have a madman at the helm who (as you said) is a bona fide racist but we're spending time throwing smears at Biden for positioning purposes and points. I guarantee you that this will come back and haunt whoever our nominee is because it's all free ammunition to the Trumpsters who have proven they will do anything and everything to win.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
16. I don't think that Joe Biden...
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jun 2019

is a racist and I would vote for him over Trump, I just have other reasons for not liking him and won't vote for him in the primaries.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BigOleDummy

(2,270 posts)
21. Well said
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:14 PM
Jun 2019

And I am of the same persuasion.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

trev

(1,480 posts)
26. I also agree with this. nt
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Celerity

(43,411 posts)
29. this is where I am at as well, and I am not 100000% locked into Pete either. If not him
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jun 2019

it is probably going to be Harris or Warren, unless there is a major shakeup.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
27. I would vote for Joe if he wins the nomination...
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jun 2019

but I will vote for Warren in the primaries!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
4. George Conway...
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:37 PM
Jun 2019

Is just a political joke. If he believed anything he said, he would not stay married to someone who is helping to destroy this country. It's way past leaving work at work when the job is separating families, caging children and committing treason among so many other inexcusable things. I suspect it is all cynical attention grabbing and the whole Conway family can go fuck themselves.

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Butterflylady

(3,544 posts)
9. Making his point for him!
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. I love the presumption that's it is George who is the Hypocrite
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jun 2019

and KAC believes she is advancing the Trump cause.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

oasis

(49,389 posts)
5. Tom Nichols hit it right on the button.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,318 posts)
33. Ikr.. "ex gop", btw!
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:38 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
8. I agree 1000 percent!
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jun 2019

Say what you like about Connors and his evil green bride, but he is hitting the nail on the head. WHEN are we going to learn! Do you sincerely think Biden was saying he would be eager to cozy up to racists for a cocktail after work? His statement was a bit foolish, but he was trying to make the point that "as President" he could work with the devil himself to get things done for the American people.

Sweet Jesus people....keep your focus on the prize. I'm not nuts about this woman that was on the View recently either, and I don't even recall her name; but ANYTHING is better than this jackass who is ruining our country one brick at a time, and we have some EXCELLENT potential candidates in the mix...Joe being one of them. So, if his manners of touching people he is with is too much for you to handle in "today's world"....it's how several people react when communicating with others. Did he grab their asses? Did he lay his hand on their breast for a good squeeze! Get serious. Yes....we ARE a circular firing squad, and those of you who pick these candidates apart are either tools for the right, or just too damn dumb to see the big picture.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Skittles

(153,169 posts)
30. the point is, why does he continue making these gaffes
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:26 AM
Jun 2019

no one should have to EXPLAIN what he means

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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. Wrote about this yesterday and got flamed that
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:09 PM
Jun 2019

It was suppressing free speech around here

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Butterflylady

(3,544 posts)
11. I really hope everyone here
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jun 2019

Gets the fact that we are essentially giving the other side their ammunition to fight against us.

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ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
13. Could the circular firing squad be due to trump induced trauma?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jun 2019

Think of how trump has negatively affected our psyche. It's almost impossible to escape his drama for even 24 hours due to people constantly bringing his name up.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
14. George Conway
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:34 PM
Jun 2019

Same George Conway who represented Paula Jones in her lawsuit against Bill Clinton? Same George Conway who was one of the "elves" along with Ann Coulter?

--
In the 1990s, George was a quiet but critical presence in what Hillary Clinton would dub a “vast right-wing conspiracy” — a hotshot young attorney working to undermine President Bill Clinton by offering secret legal aid to his accusers and reportedly funneling salacious details to the Drudge Report.


His unpaid work — research, legal briefs and organizing moot courts for the team to practice their arguments — had him working alongside fellow GOP lawyers Ann Coulter, the future arch-conservative pundit, and Jerome Marcus, a veteran of Ronald Reagan’s State Department. Coulter offered a nickname for their clique of off-the-books workers: “the Elves.” And they had a mischievous side. When it appeared as though Bill Clinton and Jones might settle out of court, Conway and Coulter were determined to prevent that. “It was contrary to our purpose of bringing down the president,” she later told the journalist Michael Isikoff, as reported in his book “Uncovering Clinton.”


So to keep the story alive, they started leaking.

---


Throughout the 1990s, George stayed on the case, but he remained under the radar. He helped set up Lewinsky confidante Linda Tripp with a lawyer when she decided to bring her information forward, according to a New York Times report in 1999. When Tripp’s pal Lucianne Goldberg, a literary agent and conservative gadfly, wanted that story to go public, she says Conway helped get her “bombshell” to Drudge. He denies these accounts.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/george-conway-is-the-man-at-the-center-of-everything/2017/05/13/e0720ad6-366b-11e7-b412-62beef8121f7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.e25d4a3772e5


Fuck this guy. So sick of seeing him cited here.

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LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
18. You addressed everything except the point he made.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:02 PM
Jun 2019

I'd do that too if it didn't prop up my narrative. We're human... we often tend to ignore those things which don't validate our biases.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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melman

(7,681 posts)
24. What's my narrative and how does the truth about who George Conway is "prop it up"?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jun 2019

Please advise.

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Cha

(297,318 posts)
34. Excellent post, LW!
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:47 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

aquamarina

(1,865 posts)
15. Conway is not wrong.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:35 PM
Jun 2019

Every primary season this place seems to lose it's mind. We have an outstanding slate of candidates - any damn one of who would be preferable to four more batshit years of Trump. I get that we each want our guy/gal to win but can we at least agree that come November 4, 2020, it has to be someone other than T45?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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More_Cowbell

(2,191 posts)
17. There must be a compromise between "firing squad" and not speaking up
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jun 2019

It's very early days, still. Shouldn't we try to cut off problems before they become disasters later in the campaign?

WaPo says that Biden ignored advice from his own campaign to stop talking about the segregationalists. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/20/this-is-bidens-real-problem/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.4a63075be58f

If other Democratic candidates don't say anything, that fuels GOP cries of "The party supports this thinking."

I agree that Democrats have a terrible history of doing damage to each other. I disagree with Booker's call for an apology. I think it's tricky to say that no other candidates should speak up, though.

I anticipate that Biden will be our candidate, and of course I'll vote for him. But he's already taken several steps along a path that makes it look like he thinks his lifelong opinions are going to get him elected. It's not fair, but these are our circumstances: the GOP can say whatever it wants, but the public in general expects something else from Democrats.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
19. I'd vote for Joe, but what did we get out of working with Dixiecrats back then?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jun 2019

And now their ilk is coming out of the White House closet.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

IronLionZion

(45,457 posts)
22. Ironically, the segregationists Biden worked with were also Democrats
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

and those types of folks in the South changed to Republican over the Democratic party's support of the civil rights movement.

Would that party schism count as a circular firing squad? Republicans love telling us that Democrats were the party of slavery and segregation.

Actual Nazis and KKK leaders have run for office as Republicans recently, and hate groups have endorsed Trump. Maybe moderate Republicans can boast of working with such people? Maybe folks can work proudly with white nationalist Steve King of Iowa since he has limited legislative influence these days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
23. It is becoming apparent that we can do better than Biden
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:24 PM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Cha

(297,318 posts)
32. No, that's your opinion.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:31 AM
Jun 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Cha

(297,318 posts)
31. WOW! That's what we've been fighting against,
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:31 AM
Jun 2019

highplains



Mahalo!
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