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Nate Silver Bulletpoint: Only Two Meaningful Shifts Have Happened In The Democratic Primary So Far
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bulletpoint-two-meaningful-things-have-happened-in-the-democratic-primary-so-far/The debates aside, you generally shouldnt be sweating day-to-day changes in the polls, at least not until we get much closer to the Iowa caucuses. Theres just way too much campaign left and when candidates get a bounce in the polls, they usually revert to the mean within a few weeks anyway.
Measuring movement over the course of months is more meaningful, however. So lets do something simple: compare where the Democratic candidates stand in an average of national polls now with where they were at the end of the previous quarter, on March 31.
Two big, obvious things have happened. One is that Elizbeth Warren has gained at Bernie Sanderss expense. Contrary to the claims made by the Sanders campaign, its not just manufactured media narratives that have Warren surging or Sanders slumping. Instead, thats what you get if you make any effort to look at an average or cross-section of polls instead of cherry-picking, although the shifts have been fairly gradual.
The other trend is that Beto ORourke and Pete Buttigieg have swapped places. At the end of March, ORourke was at 9.3 percent and Buttigieg was at 2.6 percent; now, its Buttigieg at 7.7 percent and ORourke at 3.6 percent.
As much as you sometimes need to be careful of going overboard with the concept of lanes in the Democratic primary, these shifts seem consistent with the lanes that everyone expected. Sanders and Warren are competing for left-leaning voters. And Buttigiegs rise has been a challenge for ORourke given some of their surface similarities as youngish white guy outsiders who are liberal but not too liberal.
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Measuring movement over the course of months is more meaningful, however. So lets do something simple: compare where the Democratic candidates stand in an average of national polls now with where they were at the end of the previous quarter, on March 31.
Two big, obvious things have happened. One is that Elizbeth Warren has gained at Bernie Sanderss expense. Contrary to the claims made by the Sanders campaign, its not just manufactured media narratives that have Warren surging or Sanders slumping. Instead, thats what you get if you make any effort to look at an average or cross-section of polls instead of cherry-picking, although the shifts have been fairly gradual.
The other trend is that Beto ORourke and Pete Buttigieg have swapped places. At the end of March, ORourke was at 9.3 percent and Buttigieg was at 2.6 percent; now, its Buttigieg at 7.7 percent and ORourke at 3.6 percent.
As much as you sometimes need to be careful of going overboard with the concept of lanes in the Democratic primary, these shifts seem consistent with the lanes that everyone expected. Sanders and Warren are competing for left-leaning voters. And Buttigiegs rise has been a challenge for ORourke given some of their surface similarities as youngish white guy outsiders who are liberal but not too liberal.
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As Silver points out in that column and in a tweet about it, "everyone else, including Biden, is in basically the same position" they were in at the end of March.
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Nate Silver Bulletpoint: Only Two Meaningful Shifts Have Happened In The Democratic Primary So Far (Original Post)
highplainsdem
Jun 2019
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(145,321 posts)1. The Washington Post agrees with Nate
I am amused that sanders is so upset but sanders claim that moderate Democrats are the reason for Warren's rise is false. sanders is losing liberal members of the party https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/19/sanders-wants-democrats-think-that-warrens-gains-are-function-moderates-they-arent/?utm_term=.d25c4a40d7a0
Shortly before that poll came out, Sanderss campaign lifted up a report from Politico that seemed as though it might help explain Warrens improved position: She was gaining support from what Sanders called the corporate wing of the Democratic Party. Which is to say the partys more moderate, less progressive arm, the segment of the party that, in Sanderss framing, will pull out all the stops to curtail his economic revolution.....
It doesnt take much reading between the lines here to understand Sanderss argument: Centrists are circling around Warren (per Politico) because they are afraid of legitimate progressive positions like his own.
Setting aside the question of how robustly Sanderss big-ticket policies differ from Warrens, theres another, bigger problem with that argument: Its not what polls show is happening.
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And so it does. In Monmouths polls over the past few months, Warrens surge has been a function of voters who identify as liberals. In April, she earned 8 percent of the vote among those who identify as liberal. In the new poll, she moved into a tie with former vice president Joe Biden.
Bidens in the overall lead in national primary polling because he fares much better than Warren, Sanders or anyone else among more moderate Democrats. In the most recent poll, Biden gets 40 percent of the moderate vote to Sanderss 10 percent and Warrens 6.
It doesnt take much reading between the lines here to understand Sanderss argument: Centrists are circling around Warren (per Politico) because they are afraid of legitimate progressive positions like his own.
Setting aside the question of how robustly Sanderss big-ticket policies differ from Warrens, theres another, bigger problem with that argument: Its not what polls show is happening.
Link to tweet
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And so it does. In Monmouths polls over the past few months, Warrens surge has been a function of voters who identify as liberals. In April, she earned 8 percent of the vote among those who identify as liberal. In the new poll, she moved into a tie with former vice president Joe Biden.
Bidens in the overall lead in national primary polling because he fares much better than Warren, Sanders or anyone else among more moderate Democrats. In the most recent poll, Biden gets 40 percent of the moderate vote to Sanderss 10 percent and Warrens 6.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden