Wow! Cory just set Joe straight on CNN about who should apologize...

[JoeOtterbein]

...and it is not Cory!

Once again I'm impressed with one of our great Dem candidates. Funny all impress me, except Joe.

Sorry, but his comments about "working with" the Repugs were enough to convince me. The rest of what Joe has said convinces me I'm correct about that.

[emulatorloo]

1. Article: Black lawmakers get Biden's back amid 'segregationist' uproar

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/19/joe-biden-segregationist-comments-1370844

2020 ELECTIONS
Black lawmakers get Biden's back amid 'segregationist' uproar
'I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life,' Jim Clyburn says.

By LAURA BARRÓN-LÓPEZ and HEATHER CAYGLE 06/19/2019 02:56 PM EDT

Senior members of the Congressional Black Caucus leaped to former Vice President Joe Biden’s defense Wednesday after he touted his bipartisan work with known segregationists as a time of “civility.”

Progressives pounced on the remarks, and two other White House hopefuls criticized the 76-year-old Democratic presidential poll leader over his comments at a fundraiser Tuesday night. But more than a half-dozen CBC members argued that Biden’s remarks were taken out of context and that the former senator’s call for decency is needed now more than ever.

More at link. Link courtesy of EllenG.

Ellen’s post:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=156939


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Booker should concentrate on his own strengths rather than trying to paint Biden as a segregationist sympathizer.

Because the real segregationist sympathizer is Donald Trump. It is Trump who encourages White Supremacists. Seems like an illconcieved cheap shot from Booker’s staff to get him attention

What would get my attention is Booker and Biden debating policy.

[JoeOtterbein]

3. Why is criticising a political opponent "smearing" them? nt

[emulatorloo]

5. I changed the wording before you posted. Booker should concentrate on his own strengths imho

He needs attention to get out of his single digit polling rut. Talking about what he’ll do as President is the way to do that.

[JoeOtterbein]

12. Sorry I was not fast enough. Joe should focus on the future...

...instead of talking about racists he worked with decades ago.

Seems simple to me!

[emulatorloo]

32. Biden isn't a segregationist or racist. False attacks like this will probably backfire I am afraid.

That sort of thing definititely won’t help your preferred candidate start polling better with the Democratic Primary Electorate.

Have a terrific night, I really enjoyed reading your OPs.

[JoeOtterbein]

37. I'm sorry but since I did not say either of the things you are saying I said...

...sounds like a "false attack" to me.

[emulatorloo]

39. Goodnight Joe. As I say I enjoy reading your OPs.

Once again, you are a patriot

[JoeOtterbein]

40. Every night is great to me...

...if I'm still kickin!

[emulatorloo]

43. I hear ya!

[emmaverybo]

54. Sweet and neat.

[Thekaspervote]

28. Yes he should... it does not improve my opinion of him... not at all

[Autumn]

46. When a black man says "You don't joke about calling black men 'boys"

you don't do it. You don't wax nostalgic about it either. I defer to him on that, not Joe Biden. Why do you think he called Biden son? I bet he wouldn't have called Obama "son". We all know what Eastland would have called him.

[emulatorloo]

51. Autumn, I'll just say mischaracterization of what any of our candidates say doesn't sit well with me

It never has and it never will. I defend all of our candidates from that since the Democratic Primaries Forum started this year. I’m not aiming this at you, this is just my standard operating procedure this year. Positivity and defending our candidates when they are mischaractered.

As to your eye rolling, you and I have a very cordial relationship, we can disagree and still respect each other. You may be frustrated with me now, but I promise I would never use the eyeroll smilie in any interaction with you.

Hope you are feeling good and are having a great night.

[Autumn]

58. My eye roll was not directed at you. One does not expect a black man, in this day and age

to apologize to an old white man who is out of touch when it comes to the Republican party. Past or present. No, it is not done. And the suggestion, no make that demand, by many here is offensive and downright disgusting. There has been no mischaracterization when to come to Biden and his view of Republicans. He respects them, he has been more than clear on that and there is no difference, none in Eastland from the racist past and the racist assholes today. THAT has been my biggest disappointment in Biden.

You have a great night too.

[emulatorloo]

77. Agreed no apologies. OTOH this will be out of the news cycle in a day or so

Biden and Booker will be focused on the real White Supremacist enabler, President Donald J Trump.

I don’t share your belief that Biden doesn’t understand what Republicans are capable of or believes there’s no difference. “I refuse to work with Republicans who can get on board with parts of the Democratic agenda” isn’t a winning position for either the Primary or the General Election.

That may be a popular stance on DU. But we aren’t at all representative of the Democratic Primary Electorate.

Democrats do want Republicans to come on board whose constituents have told them to support universal healthcare, overturn the ridiculous Trump Taxcuts that have hurt them, and modernize our infrastructure, and protect the integrity of our elections. Yes Republicans who actually listen to their constituents are a rare breed but some do exist.

So we’ll have to disagree on that point.

Doing pretty well here, kinda of a bad day w the Fibromyalgia, but I try not to let it get me down.

[Thekaspervote]

86. Thank you!! Certainly more posters should have your kind civility

Hoping you are having a good evening as well

[tishaLA]

14. Even in that article, they only cite 3 CBC members who said it was fine

Rep Jeffries gave an anodyne statement about people working together, Rep Richmond said nothing, and Rep Beatty just mentioned the VP's experience rather than his comments.

Rep Rush and Sen Booker (and Sen Harris after the article was published) did not "have his back" on his comments an we have no idea how the many other members of the CBC feel, so perhaps it's another example of a Politico article whose content and headline are at loggerheads

[Grasswire2]

82. I no longer would support Booker for the national ticket.

I was favoring a Warren-Booker ticket. No more.

[dawg day]

103. Why? Booker has a unique experience here as an African-American man.

I don't want our candidates to slang each other. But I also think in 2019, a black man shouldn't have to remind a white man why "boy" is not always a term of endearment or why a vicious old segregationalist shouldn't be recalled fondly.
And I don't agree with the idea that he can wax on about Eastland and Booker can't say, "Hey, wait?"

And we've just heard that this wasn't just a chance comment-- that Biden's advisors specifically suggested he find a non-lynching-supportive example (my term, not theirs!).


Biden should accept this as yet another teachable moment. Just... be careful. Think twice. I know how hard that is-- I'm a "blurter" myself. But thinking before speaking is usually a good thing in a candidate.

[Thekaspervote]

85. Thank you!! This should have put an end to calling Biden just short of an unfeeling racist...but

Proves IMHO this is the difference between attacking the front runner verses “vetting.”

[vlyons]

101. Biden is not a segregationist sympathizer

but he is naive to think that Republicans, at least the current crop of Trump sycophants and enablers, will ever work with Democrats.

[HopeAgain]

2. In the last couple weeks

Biden has
1. Said Republicans will all do the right thing once Trump is gone.
2. Made a creepy comment to a little girl,
3. Said he's not going to do anything that will adversly affect rich people, and
4. Pointed out that he never got called boy by a terrible segregationist, but hey, he could work with him (on Juneteenth, no less).

And only a year and a half to go.

[Skittles]

7. it will be endless

yet we're supposed to all get on board this train

[emulatorloo]

10. Seems like a mischaracterization of everthing Biden said.

That’s cool, but it would be nice if we didn’t do the wingnut “Biden is a Pervert” meme here at DU.

JMHO, certainly not worth very much.

[JoeOtterbein]

15. Odd, I don't see that cause I would report it. nt

[emulatorloo]

18. I think your bias won't allow you to "see" it. We all have our biases so that's cool.

“Said a creepy thing to a little girl” def plays right into the wingnut “Biden is a Pervert” and “Biden is a Pedophile” memes.

You know as well as I do Biden is neither.

[Nuggets]

33. 👍🏼 nt

[HopeAgain]

89. It's not that he's a pervert

It's that he won't let go of the fact that it's not "the neighborhood", and its not the 1950's anymore. These are not things the other candidates have issues with.

I know a lot of young voters, three of which are my children, and they can't relate to him or his politics at all. Biden does not represent a future for liberalism.

[Blue_true]

72. The thing about not being called a boy really got me.

No old White racist is ever going to call a young White man a "boy". They reserved that exclusively for a certain type of person. Biden's comment is tone deaf.

[crazytown]

81. That was the point of the (poor) joke.

It is highly disrespectful to call a fellow Senator ‘son’. Eastland couldn’t call Biden ‘boy’ so he always called him ‘son’.

[cwydro]

93. Yeah, the boy comment bothered me too, not the overall statement.

He really should have left that part out.

Please Joe, don’t fuck this up.

[Indygram]

4. I just now heard Biden's comment on CNN...omg

Cory is 100% right.

I'm just completely and utterly disgusted.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

6. The utter lack of self-awareness in Biden is so discouraging.

[Blue_true]

74. Yeah like he not knowing that a hateful White racist would NEVER call him "boy". nt

[OhZone]

8. It convinced me to never even consider Cory.

[Kahuna7]

9. Same here. nt

[Thekaspervote]

30. And me as well... hey Cory find something positive and go after it. Your negativity isn't working

[emulatorloo]

13. Booker can do much better than that. Boneheaded decision by his campaign staff IMHO

[LakeArenal]

49. Haven't considered him since Al Franken.

[uponit7771]

99. THIS !!!!

[mtnsnake]

11. Biden is self destructing much sooner than I thought he would

Here I thought he'd make it until at least late December before dropping out of it, but now I'm thinking it might be as early as November.

[George II]

17. He's only self destructing in the eyes who would like him to self destruct

[emulatorloo]

20. A lot of wishful thinking.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Love your parody account.

You crack me up.

[shanny]

29. It seems pretty obvious why his campaign

has been limiting his appearances, don't you think?

[JoeOtterbein]

42. Boom! nt

[Autumn]

48. I think August. After a couple of debates. nt

[George II]

16. No he didn't. I wholeheartedly supported Booker for Senator, and he was the FIRST candidate....

....for whom I contributed for president, but I'm disappointed with his recent comments about Biden and others.

[JoeOtterbein]

24. Yes he is. And Joe is making my case by saying Cory is wrong when he was....

...completely out-of-step with Dem political reality right now.

Joe needs to apologize. ASAP.

[George II]

27. No he doesn't. Cory is wrong, and HE should apologize. I'm VERY disappointed with Booker.....

....early on he was my first choice, but no longer.

[JoeOtterbein]

31. Why for opposing a political opponent? nt

[George II]

45. It's the manner in which a candidate opposes a political opponent.

[OhZone]

105. Exactly!

[Drunken Irishman]

19. The same Cory Booker who defended Romney over Obama and the Bain attacks?

Yeah..we haven't forgotten.

https://thinkprogress.org/newark-mayor-cory-booker-defends-bain-capital-attacks-obama-campaign-ddbfa660b397/

[emulatorloo]

21. I like Booker. And I definitely remember that bizarre attack on Obama.

Thanks for the link.

[Thekaspervote]

34. Yup!

[melman]

23. video

Link to tweet

[George II]

25. Of course.

[JoeOtterbein]

26. Thanks! I've been trying to find it! nt

[emulatorloo]

36. Was hoping you would chime in with a positive video about Candidate Booker's many strengths

and his strong policy positions.

I still look forward to those positive OP’s of yours

[melman]

38. Why?

This thread is about Sen. Booker's comments on CNN. That's the topic so that is the video posted.


Do you object to Sen. Bookers comments being posted? If so, why?

[emulatorloo]

41. Of course I don't object to Booker's comments being posted. I just want to see positivity from you

about a candidate you like in a thread or an OP.

You are a great poster, I want to hear about the reasons you support one candidate or another.

Very helpful to DU undecideds.

I know you love this community and you have a lot more to offer.

[melman]

47. Really?

Because reading through the threads on this it really seems you do. But if you say no I'll have to take your word for it.

[emulatorloo]

53. What Booker said is part of the record and the discussion. Of course it should be posted.

I like Booker and I think he’s getting bad advice from his campaign staff. That doesn’t equal me wanting to “suppress” what Booker said.

Love hearing from all of our candidates.

I just believe that candidates attacking one another is wrong headed.

It is not what the Democratic Primary Electorate wants to hear. They want to hear about policy and helping the 99%, and reversing the damage Trump has done to destroy our country.

Goodnight have a wonderful evening.

[Demit]

50. You are adorable.

I really like how you tell everyone they're a great poster. That is so cute.

[emulatorloo]

52. Thanks. I mean it when I say it!

[emulatorloo]

60. I've had some tough times lately. Being positive helps me get through them.

I have learned some tough lessons. Personal health issues. Young relatives who are struggling w marriage, work, and family. Cancer trying to take people I love . So Positivity is so important to me now.

I also believe most of us are looking for positivity and collegiality this Primary season. I doubt anyone wants the pointless anger and acrimony we had here in Primary 2016. It was self destructive.

It’s cool with me that you find my posts repetitive. Thanks for reading anyway, and I appreciate your kind compliments in the post you wrote before.

[melman]

56. Isn't that delightful?

the faux-niceties mask the derision so well.

[emulatorloo]

57. You are an excellent poster. That's the truth.

You obviously care about the direction of the country the same way I do, and we both agree on the progressive goals our candidates bring to the table this primary season.

We may have had some rocky times a while back. But things are too important these days to have petty disagreements when we both believe in the same things.

So there is no derision at all, and the niceties are genuine.

Goodnight again.

[George II]

55. Him/her being a die-hard BS supporter you won't see that. Damaging the front runner in the hopes...

...the third-place candidate advances is the tactic.

[ecstatic]

79. That's going to be all over the news tomorrow. Biden is now unelectable.

By next week, the understanding will be that Biden called Booker a boy. That's how these things work. Even if Biden makes it through the primaries, a lot of democratic voters will stay home based on that video.

[Skittles]

80. I don't see it that way at all

I see it as just another gaffe in a long series of gaffes

[mobeau69]

91. And with all that "experience" we keep hearing about that candidates like Pete don't have.

A tone-deaf gaffe machine. To hell with the current polls, the pukes are chomping at the bit to go after Joe and capatalize off of all his self-inflected wounds.

We can and must do better.

[Skittles]

106. absolutely we can and should do better

this idea of settling is nonsense

[dsp3000]

35. And this is how we get 4 more years of trump

Taking bidens comments out of context, calling him racist when we have a true racist in the white house. 2020 is hopeless

[JoeOtterbein]

44. Who here called Biden a racist? nt

[Skittles]

65. no one

[JoeOtterbein]

66. Thanks! nt

[Skittles]

70. it's easier to accuse that than to admit he just says stupid things

[Voltaire2]

95. The complaint is that he is a tone deaf

gaffe factory, not that he is a racist.

Although the latest gaffe has brought up the uncomfortable fact that he worked to end busing as a desegregation tool despite its being the only effective way to desegregate urban schools.

[Demsrule86]

61. Not funny...and so many impressed with candidates who appearto have no chance to win a general.

[JoeOtterbein]

62. Except for Joe? nt

[Demsrule86]

68. Yes. He takes the states we need.

[Thekaspervote]

84. Agree!

Those bashing Biden supporters think we only support him because we think he can win. Well, yes there’s that, but did anyone ever stop to think maybe some Biden supporters feel his closest contenders can’t win in the general.

[marylandblue]

97. Yes, that's what we think, but what is your point?

We believe you think he can win and that no other candidate can win the GE. Many of you has said so. But it creates an odd dynamic. We can't have an honest discussion about his strengths and weaknesses as a candidate because you believe he is our only salvation.

When you only have one salvation, you guard him against all criticism. Even when it's just your friends telling you your lifeboat sprung a leak.

[customerserviceguy]

63. He's given up on kumbaya

a lot sooner than I thought he would. The Newark is finally coming out.

[JoeOtterbein]

64. Hey! I love Newark!

My favorite cuz lives there too!

[customerserviceguy]

67. And your cousin

will surely tell you that you have to be tough as nails to live in Newark. I figured the whole, "Can't we all just get along?" thing was just a front from Sen. Booker.

I do love the restaurants in the Ironbound section, especially "Spain".

[JoeOtterbein]

69. I really like this part from Cory:

“I was raised to speak truth to power. And I will never apologize for doing that. And Vice President Biden shouldn’t need this lesson. And at a time when we have from the highest offices in the land, divisiveness, racial hatred, and bigotry being spewed, he should have the sensitivity to know that ‘this is a time I need to be an ally… a healer, and not engage in usage of words that will harm folks. This is deeply disappointing.”

more:

[link:https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/cory-booker-responds-to-bidens-insulting-comments-he-shouldnt-need-this-lesson/|

[Blue_true]

71. Yeah. Joe is really stepping in piles.

I am becoming more and more of a Warren fan. I think that she has been the hardest working and most consistent.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

87. welcome aboard the Persist Train :)

[Blue_true]

108. Not exactly. The debates are the markers for me.

But "Nevertheless she persists". To modify a certain traitor's comment about Senator Warren.

[quickesst]

73. I'll just repeat a previous post....

..... Because it's easier.

this is the typical anti-Biden thread....
.... which, as usual, can be broken down in three parts.

1. Attacking with knowledge beforehand that it is misleading.

2. Appealing to people who don't care that it is misleading or betting that people are too lazy to read behind the misleading headline, and, or are too stupid to understand what they are reading. None of which is a very smart bet.

3. Number three is the only conclusion that thoughtful, intelligent people can you come to. That number one, and number two are impossible to be taken seriously, and are an embarrassment to the Democratic party.

[Skittles]

75. complete nonsense

[quickesst]

76. "complete nonsense"

I really don't think that pointing out the fact that people are using trumpian propaganda crapola, and that some people are sucking it up like a sponge is "complete nonsense". Jim Clyburn agrees with me which begs the question......How stupid do you think Jim Clyburn is?

[Skittles]

78. just because not everyone is 100% behind Biden

doesn't mean they are "easily persuaded" or are falling for "trumpian propaganda crapola" -- heck, it may be true that the candidate really has serious flaws

[quickesst]

90. That's true....

He probably does have flaws, just like every other human being on the planet, but practically accusing somebody of being a racist by using sensational headlines and omitting key statements in the article is indeed trumpian. They were civil to one another, got some things done, but agreed on practically nothing. There is a single quote that pretty much shuts this carp down, and should be the cause of some degree of embarrassment for the anti Biden clique.



“I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said of the infamous segregationist senator. “You don’t have to agree with people to work with them.”

[Skittles]

107. SERIOUS flaws

done here

[quickesst]

110. Not quite done here.....

I see flaws, but not with Joe Biden. Biden haters can continue their argument as long as they do this. Pretty sad.

LALALALALALALA !!!!!!
“I worked with Strom Thurmond all my life,” House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.), the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said of the infamous segregationist senator. “You don’t have to agree with people to work with them.”
LALALALALALALALALALALA!!!!!!!!
?a433368

Now I'm done.

[Thekaspervote]

83. Interesting breakdown... tend to agree

[quickesst]

92. People are talking about fighting fire with fire....

.... and I agree with that. What I don't agree with is using the same kind of misleading tactical fire the GOPeePee employs.

[uponit7771]

100. +1,

[ucrdem]

88. Miscalculation on Cory's part.

If Cory is expecting this maneuver to do for him what the Hyde amendment did for Warren I fear he's sadly mistaken. I doubt it will have any effect apart from hastening his exit. And I watched the CNN video.

[brooklynite]

94. Context please?

I can GUESS that this is about Biden, but it could also be about Reparations. Please don't assume everyone's watching the same thing you are.

[Gothmog]

96. I disagree

I hate it when I am forced to agree with Morning Joe

Link to tweet

[robbedvoter]

98. What did Cory say on CNN? I don't have cable.

I topped watching political cable since 2004

[BlueTsunami2018]

102. These clearly disingenuous attacks on Biden are from desperation.

Booker doesn’t stand a chance but he’ll hurt the party in the long run for a bit of air time. It’s pretty sad.

[OhZone]

104. This!

[Gothmog]

109. According to Symone Sanders, Biden did not praise a segregationist

Link to tweet

Link to tweet