James Zogby.. "I'm tired of the "Warren & Buttigieg are smart (& Bernie's not)" theme

[Cha]

Link to tweet

[dsc]

1. wow straight white men lose their minds when gays and women are recognized

as being intelligent.

[LonePirate]

3. 2016 drove that message home and it's being repeated again loudly this year in articles like that.

[sandensea]

9. He's not denying they are.

But merely pointing out that the media seems to be deliberately underestimating Bernie.

In any case, it's almost a foregone conclusion that Biden will be the 2020 nominee - although Liz Warren (and yes, Bernie) can still make this a real contest.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

10. I just watched Biden's Poor People's Campaign speech.

That fore gone conclusion ain’t what you think it is.

[sandensea]

11. You could be right

It's still early.

[Celerity]

16. he was very shaky at that, by far the worst I have seen him (and he has been quite good at times)

Rambling, stuttering, lost trains of thought, and topped it off with a bout of finger waving and somewhat getting up in the mediators (two women (Joy Reid was one of them) and an A-A man) faces.

If he brings that level of game to the debates and major events he will possibly be in trouble.

[thesquanderer]

28. It was awful. If that Biden shows up to debate Trump, we're sunk.

OTOH, if that Biden shows up in the Dem debates, I suspect he'll never get the chance to debate Trump.

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13. Yes, Zogby is saying the media

is being unfair to BS.

[Celerity]

17. Zogby is not white (Lebanese Arab), but he is full of shit on this

[yardwork]

22. Seriously.

[mcar]

23. Got it in one

[wasupaloopa]

26. I am a straight white man. My gay sister in law and her

wife are very intelligent. She is a high level manager at a famous winery and her wife is a teacher.

So maybe a few straight white men are like you say but my guess you don’t really know any who are.

[Honeycombe8]

2. I'm tired of people saying that people have said things they haven't said.

No one...not only single person that I've heard or read....has EVER said or implied that BS isn't smart. Or Klobuchar isn't smart. Or Warren isn't smart.

Someone needs to tell BS supporters that not everything is about Bernie Sanders. Sometimes an article talking about how smart two people are, is just an article talking about how smart two people are, and nothing more.

Just because Bernie isn't mentioned in the article, does not make the article about HIM.

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6. Exactly. Zogby is taking

a positive article about Mayor Buttigieg and Senator Warren as a personal affront to Senator Sanders.

[Kahuna7]

21. Zogby is a master at playing, passive aggressive.

Nobody does it better.

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33. How's that working out for him?

[Kahuna7]

34. He's a bit more humble these days. He's no longer crowing

about how bernie is the most popular politician in America....

[Politicub]

30. I've never seen it either. This is such a non story that's made up to bash

gay candidates and educated women.

[Bradshaw3]

31. Nailed it n/t

[emulatorloo]

35. Agreed, no one has ever said Bernie isn't smart. Zogby has created a strawman

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Nobody said Bernie wasn't smart. It isn't about Bernie at all,

but apparently some of his supporters think any observation that other candidates are smart implies Bernie isn't.

[ecstatic]

7. He's deemed not smart because he can't answer questions clearly and articulately.

He hasn't put much thought or study into the implementation of his ideas like Warren & Buttigieg have. Also, the videos of him when he was in his 40s aren't impressive either.

Sanders has brought up important issues, and I thank him for that, but that's not enough to be president. I have great ideas and I'm not fit to be president. I have very high standards for who should be leading our nation and representing me and my interests.

Sorry to be so harsh, but Zogby is wondering why, and that's why. I'm originally from Brooklyn, NY, by the way. And I didn't attend an Ivy League college.

[Buzz cook]

32. That is part of it.

I've noticed several times when Bernie didn't have ready answers to what should be obvious questions, such as minimum wage, abortion, and civil rights.
I suppose the media would react to that. But they don't call him on that specific "sin". Or I haven't heard them point that out.
And I haven't heard them specifically question his intelligence.

Instead I hear and read that Bernie is not in touch with an issue or group. At best these are claims that Sanders lacks political acumen, At worst they frame it as Bernie not caring about that issue or group.

I don't think the media is giving a fair shake to Bernie. But then again I don't think the media is giving a fair shake to any democrat. As evidence I present the all day coverage of Trumps rally tonight and contrast that to the fact that few if any democrats have had their speeches covered start to finish, except on Cspan

[Tiggeroshii]

8. I might be out of the loop but i haven't heard that one.

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Warren and Mayor Pete are actually academics. They have that reputation for a reason. I don't think anybody has actually accused Bernie of being stupid, buthe isn't a Rhodes Scholar and that's okay.

[Recursion]

12. IDK. Maybe it's because his health plan assumed a negative cost for all drugs?

Or because he doesn't even seem to understand that it's important to say upfront whether providers will be required to accept Medicare For All?

[betsuni]

14. Wait. I thought being an egghead is elitist and elitists are bad.

Mr. Zogby should be happy Warren and Buttigieg are called eggheads and Bernie isn't. But conspiracies are more fun I guess.

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15. That is so then.. this

is the year of the Egghead!

[betsuni]

18. Ah, I see. How sadly I lag behind the times, been a little bit busy.

[BlueMTexpat]

19. Zogby has been

off my list of credible persons for several years now.

This attitude certainly will not redeem him for me. BOTH Warren and Buttigieg are far superior to Zogby's chosen one in every way, not simply intellect, IMO.

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43. Oh yeah, BlueMT.. James Zogby

doesn't really seem to have it together.

How ironic.. he was complaining the media is not fair to BS.. but in a bungling, making it worse, kind of way.

Toughen up, Zogby.

[JI7]

20. there are more than 20 candidates running. funny how he took it as Bernie not being smart

[LanternWaste]

24. Compliments about other candidates are now part of the All About Bernie variety hour.

And now, even simple compliments about other candidates have become part of the 'It's All About Bernie' variety hour.

[emulatorloo]

36. It's weird that they want to portray Senator Sanders as a victim. Because he isn't.

It is a weird to portray your strong candidate as a victim. Why not play up Bernie’s genuine strengths? Odd as hell

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44. I know, emulatorloo.. the victimhood thing

doesn't cut it. Especially with a such an obvious stretch.

[SouthernProgressive]

25. Dear Zogby, BS doesn't sound like a working class guy from Brooklyn.

I guess I'm not tired of that theme because I didn't know it was one. "Sounds like a working class guy from Brooklyn."

[Me.]

27. What A Lot Of Rot

1. What's wrong with being smart

2. They've both earned the kudos they're being given

3. Smell of panic in the air

4. Neither has a divisive/insulting campaign staff

5. Why would being born in Brooklyn be considered a negative except by those who are looking for an excuse for a candidate's failing numbers

6. Maybe most people simply aren't captivated or want to vote for him else he would've won last time around

7. And maybe people don't want an old white guy who plays fast and loose with his transparency and is always pointing that finger of his at everyone else but never at himself .

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37. I know, Me.. it's

a real shake your head kinda tweet.

Zogby is complaining about the media being unfair to BS.. and absolutely the wrong way to do it.

[Me.]

40. Lots Of Victim Hood Going On With These Old Guys

The best he and that mess in the WH may be able to do is win a participation trophy. And just for the record, EW and PB are getting notice because they have been working it.

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41. Yes, Elizabeth and Buttigieg

have been working it!

[Politicub]

29. I would rather not live in a dictatorship of the stupid

like we're in now.

This is nothing more than bashing of educated people and treating them as somehow unable to govern.

Sanders is brought in as a McGuffin in this story. It's not really about him.

[SouthernProgressive]

38. Wasn't he a Fellow at the Sanders Institute?

The institute where they kept holding meetings to tell each other how great they were and to prepare for Sanders next run.

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39. I think so.. a founder.

[Kahuna7]

42. Yes! He was the "PROUD" chairman. That was in his twitter bio. nt

[WhiskeyGrinder]

45. My heart bleeds.

[NYMinute]

46. I won't be surprised

if Zogby is found to have astash of Rubles in an offshore account somewhere.

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47. Kick it..