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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:10 AM Jun 2019

NARAL hits Biden for support of controversial abortion rule

BY RACHEL FRAZIN - 06/05/19 11:03 AM EDT

Pro-choice advocacy group NARAL decried former Vice President Joe Biden's support for the Hyde Amendment, which prevents using federal funds to cover certain abortion costs.

"There’s NO political or ideological excuse for @JoeBiden’s support for the Hyde Amendment, which translates into discrimination against poor women and women of color plain and simple," the group tweeted Wednesday. "His position further endangers people already facing enormous hurdles."




"At a time where the fundamental freedoms enshrined in Roe are under attack, the 2020 Democratic field has coalesced around the Party’s core values -- support for abortion rights, and the basic truth that reproductive freedom is fundamental to the pursuit of equality and economic security in this country," NARAL said in a statement.

"Differentiating himself from the field this way will not earn Joe Biden any political points and will bring harm to women who are already most vulnerable,” the group added.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/447065-naral-hits-biden-for-support-of-controversial-abortion-rule
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NARAL hits Biden for support of controversial abortion rule (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2019 OP
and they should. This amedndment is an attack against poor women, and I will not support him if still_one Jun 2019 #1
Respect... I don't blame you. I suspect Joe will walk this back though... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #18
I am not so sure. This was pretty straight forward, and NARL and PP coming out tells me this is still_one Jun 2019 #22
A big tent for everyone but poor women? 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #2
As they should. His position is shameful. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #3
Was that back in 1970 or 80's where this ruling came from? FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #4
His campaign said yesterday that he supports Hyde, which is a position he's held for quite some WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #6
Hyde is the wink that signals he Politicub Jun 2019 #10
Exactly. Supporting Hyde is a fake "compromise" that actively hurts some of the most WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #11
Thank you FloridaBlues Jun 2019 #21
His campaign just confirmed he supports the Hyde amendment,so has not changed his view. vsrazdem Jun 2019 #12
As they should. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2019 #5
Also, will have to explain support zentrum Jun 2019 #7
I support NARAL Politicub Jun 2019 #8
I hope Biden reverses course on this. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #9
I fully support NARAL's BlueMTexpat Jun 2019 #13
There is ONE thing good about the Hyde amendment OKNancy Jun 2019 #14
There is nothing good about the Hyde amendment. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #15
Abortion is health care for women. It should never be carved out for any reason. 50 Shades Of Blue Jun 2019 #17
It's total crap. For example it denies Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #19
There have been a number of Dem presidential candidates who don't support federal money for abortion BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #23
Plenty of people and organizations slammed Obama for Executive Order 13535, including WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2019 #24
With all the attacks on women's reproductive rights around the country it has become a major issue. Ace Rothstein Jun 2019 #25
No doubt. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #26
Indeed. It's a political reason that blocks some women from receiving care Politicub Jun 2019 #29
Henry Hyde was a pedophile RedParrot Jun 2019 #16
This is disqualifying in my opinion. Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #20
Maybe he will reconsider. BeckyDem Jun 2019 #27
Planned Parenthood's response: demmiblue Jun 2019 #28
As I recall this was necessary for getting the ACA passed ucrdem Jun 2019 #30
The Hyde amendment preceded the ACA Voltaire2 Jun 2019 #32
It's renewed annually: ucrdem Jun 2019 #34
That's the way to win the support of women! progressoid Jun 2019 #31
I have not spoken ill of Biden here before Tom Rinaldo Jun 2019 #33
 

still_one

(92,273 posts)
1. and they should. This amedndment is an attack against poor women, and I will not support him if
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jun 2019

this is the case

I went to his website and emailed him for confirmation

I am one step away from dropping my support from him

This is counter to what he told the ACLU previously so I will give it a day to see if he directly confirms it

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InAbLuEsTaTe

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18. Respect... I don't blame you. I suspect Joe will walk this back though...
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jun 2019

so, you should be good. But, you're right to be concerned.


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Welcome to the revolution!!!

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still_one

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22. I am not so sure. This was pretty straight forward, and NARL and PP coming out tells me this is
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jun 2019

pretty much confirmed

Fortunately, we have a large selection of candidates to choose from

Debates are more important than ever now

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50 Shades Of Blue

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2. A big tent for everyone but poor women?
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:27 AM
Jun 2019
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WhiskeyGrinder

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3. As they should. His position is shameful.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019
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FloridaBlues

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4. Was that back in 1970 or 80's where this ruling came from?
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jun 2019

Perhaps he has a much different view now.
Anyone ask him about this recently? Would like to know.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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6. His campaign said yesterday that he supports Hyde, which is a position he's held for quite some
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jun 2019

time. This is confusing because last month he told an ACLU member on the fly that he supports repealing Hyde.

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Politicub

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10. Hyde is the wink that signals he
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:59 AM
Jun 2019

supports right-wing-driven restrictions on abortion. His continued support is directed at anti-choice people as a way to curry votes.

I would rather Biden not hold this viewpoint. It hurts women without means. Denouncing it would open the opportunity to talk about pro-women initiatives he will take while in office.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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11. Exactly. Supporting Hyde is a fake "compromise" that actively hurts some of the most
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:01 PM
Jun 2019

vulnerable people. It's shameful.

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vsrazdem

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12. His campaign just confirmed he supports the Hyde amendment,so has not changed his view.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:16 PM
Jun 2019
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Hassin Bin Sober

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5. As they should.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

But, but but.....

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zentrum

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7. Also, will have to explain support
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Jun 2019

.....of Strom Thurman's anti-busing plan back in the day.

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Politicub

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8. I support NARAL
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:52 AM
Jun 2019

and they are right to draw attention to his support of the Hyde amendment.

Biden needs to admit this was an error in judgement and that he will correct this punishment of marginalized women should he become president.

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Turin_C3PO

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9. I hope Biden reverses course on this.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jun 2019

I would be very disappointed if he stuck to his support of the Hyde Amendment.

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BlueMTexpat

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13. I fully support NARAL's
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:20 PM
Jun 2019

position on the despicable Hyde Amendment.

That Joe Biden continues to support it is one of many reasons why he is NOT among my top choices.

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OKNancy

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14. There is ONE thing good about the Hyde amendment
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:27 PM
Jun 2019

When some ass starts ranting about "my tax money going for abortions" one can argue back, "Your taxes don't go to pay for abortion"

I can see why some back it. It doesn't disallow money for other reproductive services.

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WhiskeyGrinder

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15. There is nothing good about the Hyde amendment.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jun 2019
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50 Shades Of Blue

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17. Abortion is health care for women. It should never be carved out for any reason.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jun 2019
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Voltaire2

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19. It's total crap. For example it denies
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jun 2019

Medicaid from providing any support for poor women who need an abortion.

It’s wrong. Biden’s support for Hyde indicates his position on abortion rights is superficial posturing.

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BannonsLiver

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23. There have been a number of Dem presidential candidates who don't support federal money for abortion
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:18 PM
Jun 2019

Al Gore is one. President Obama signed an executive order effectively preserving the Hyde Amendment in 2010.


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WhiskeyGrinder

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24. Plenty of people and organizations slammed Obama for Executive Order 13535, including
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:22 PM
Jun 2019

NARAL and Planned Parenthood. This is an ongoing problem that several candidates are ahead of, and some are behind.

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Ace Rothstein

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25. With all the attacks on women's reproductive rights around the country it has become a major issue.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jun 2019
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Politicub

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29. Indeed. It's a political reason that blocks some women from receiving care
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:55 PM
Jun 2019

because they can't afford it. For messaging.

So you are spot on. It's completely political, and the group it targets for exclusion from federal tax dollars is poor women who need reproductive healthcare.

As long as democrats treat abortion as some kind of taboo, then people will think of it as taboo. IMHO, the Hyde amendment is short-sighted and creates lasting damage to the greater cause of reproductive freedom.

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RedParrot

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16. Henry Hyde was a pedophile
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:32 PM
Jun 2019

Henry Hyde was a pedophile. Hyde Amendment hurts poor women.

The best way to protect women’s rights is by electing a woman President. We can’t depend on a male septuagenarian to do it.

Biden is out of touch on this issue.

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Voltaire2

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20. This is disqualifying in my opinion.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jun 2019
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BeckyDem

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27. Maybe he will reconsider.
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:24 PM
Jun 2019
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demmiblue

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28. Planned Parenthood's response:
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 02:31 PM
Jun 2019
From the Hyde Amendment to abortion bans, attacks on abortion access must stop. We deserve a president who agrees: EVERYONE deserves access to safe, legal abortion. #BeBoldEndHyde




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ucrdem

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30. As I recall this was necessary for getting the ACA passed
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jun 2019

and is still necessary for that purpose. Otherwise the whole thing gets re-litigated by employers opposed to abortion and the Supreme Court gets to review its 5-4 2012 decision upholding the ACA. And it would probably reach a different decision this time.

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Voltaire2

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32. The Hyde amendment preceded the ACA
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:28 PM
Jun 2019

By like 10 years or so. Other than that you might have a point.

The ACA also has an explicit carve out for abortions, because some Dino Senator wouldn’t vote for it without it, if I remember correctly.

Regardless, in both cases this is despicable, and considering the all out assault on women’s rights by the fascists, liberals need to present a solid front, across the board, clearly supporting abortion rights.

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ucrdem

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34. It's renewed annually:
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:39 PM
Jun 2019

But the Hyde Amendment is not permanent law. It has been included as a rider every year since 1977 to federal spending bills and its exact language changes from time to time. The rape and incest exceptions, for example, were not included in the annual HHS spending bill from 1981-93. During that time, the only exception was for abortions required to save a pregnant woman's life.


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/03/21/595191785/clash-over-abortion-hobbles-a-health-bill-again-here-s-how
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progressoid

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31. That's the way to win the support of women!
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:04 PM
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Tom Rinaldo

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33. I have not spoken ill of Biden here before
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 03:31 PM
Jun 2019

There are many things positive that can said about him, but this stance isn't one of them. The Hyde Amendment is not exactly an obscure piece of legislation, nor is its impact on women, in particular economically disadvantaged women, minimal. This is a huge negative mark on Biden's record, and it is not something being dredged up from decades ago. This is now.

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