Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez tells 2020 Democrat John Delaney to 'please sashay away'
BY OWEN DAUGHERTY - 06/02/19 10:34 PM EDT
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) blasted 2020 Democratic presidential candidate John Delaney for remarks Sunday at the California Democratic Convention where he said "Medicare for All" is actually not good policy.
Delaney, who was booed by the crowd for his comments, said, "Medicare for All may sound good, but it's actually not good policy nor is it good politics."
Ocasio-Cortez, a freshman lawmaker who has championed the progressive policy, said in a post on Twitter Sunday that it is time for Delaney to sashay away.
Since theres so many people running for President (& not enough for Senate), instead of obsessing over whos a 'frontrunner,' maybe we can start w some general eliminations, Ocasio-Cortez wrote. This awful, untrue line got booed for a full minute. John Delaney, thank you but please sashay away.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/446566-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-tells-2020-democrat-john-delaney-to-please-sashay
Ain't nothing like a homophobic trope about gay men to inspire Democrats! Right Congresswoman?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)'Best "sashay" to make a corrective apology, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez...
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aidbo
(2,328 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 3, 2019, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)
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Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,154 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,334 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)No politician is unbeatable. Wouldnt surprise me at all if someone in the district eventually primaries her. The decision not to open a district office and the constant attention seeking invites challengers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)That attack on her for not having it open immediately upon taking office was such a B.S. attack and so many here fell for it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...at the number shown on her House website was answered by a recording telling callers to go to her House website. That was four months after taking office (and six months after the election). It's not a "BS attack", it's reality. Every other new member of the House had their District offices up and running within weeks of taking office, if not earlier.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)So the poster was wrong. Its not actually open. Figures.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ace Rothstein
(3,163 posts)Does it matter if you're calling an office in NYC or DC?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)The median household income (remember, this is in the middle of New York City) is only $58,000. A large number of constituents have no access to the internet or have cell phones.
Many people in urban Districts, if they contact their Representative, want to meet with that Representative or a member of his/her staff to discuss their concerns or problems. It's not easy to do so when the only operating office is in Washington DC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)"Please visit us on the web at ocasio-cortez.house.gov"
You can call it yourself to see. the phone number is listed here:
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/contact/offices
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Cool. Its interesting you are so wowed by congresspeople doing things they should be doing. Others arent so easily wowed or impressed.
Glad to see she finally got around to opening one, though.
On edit: This appears to be fake news and the office is not actually open.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I'm reminded of Avenatti with regard to what you identified as well. Of course I'm not directly comparing his loathsome behavior to anything Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has done.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)He has a wife and 4 kids there's obviously no implied gay bashing here, so what is it that people find inappropriate other than the tired game of seizing every chance to reprimand AOC for being too big for her britches once again?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)to a man is to use a homophobic trope means nothing to you?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)of a very popular host on a very popular game show. Perhaps my heterosexuality is keeping me from seeing it, but I don't see it as homophobic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)For an accurate assessment of MFA.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Regardless of the circumstances?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Bettie
(16,110 posts)'No, not going to do that.' And it would be over except for various people telling her she's terrible and evil because that is what they do with her.
A lot of people said they were happy with a bunch of new women in congress, but they have an awful lot of criticism of them as well, apparently because they believe young women are to be seen but not heard. Particularly this one who is desperately hated by a sizable number of Democrats for some reason (perhaps it stems from her winning a primary over an older white man).
In the end, she's not perfect, but then, few humans are. She used a tagline from a popular TV show.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)As a gay man, this is a new one for me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)and someone yells, "let's beat the shit out of that fag sashaying down our street"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)I live in whats known as Boys Town near Wrigley field (Im sure youve heard of it). I like to think Ive heard it all from drunk cubs fans leaving the neighborhood after the games. But I swear to god Ive never heard anyone yelling out a car window about sashaying.
Ive heard square dancing callouts for sashaying.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...we used to get together frequently when I lived in Manhattan. Not necessarily using that word, but we were subjected to catcalls several times, thinking we were a "couple".
Here's the definition of "sashay"
"walk in an ostentatious yet casual manner, typically with exaggerated movements of the hips and shoulders."
Who would make that comment to a male candidate, dismissively telling him to drop out of the race?
By the way, that comment was made the day after she cancelled her appearance at the Queens Pride Parade because of a "cold".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)use that word?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)had the term used against them and, I'll introduce you to guys I represented that had the term used against them too.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)and she didn't say the word fag.
I'm REALLY not a huge fan of AOC, but this criticism is pretty ridiculous.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)Just saying.
Fact is the remark was rude and insensitive. She should know better than that. What right does she have to tell one candidate or another to get off the stage? I am serious here. I may not like the crowded field, yet each and every man or woman has the right to run for President and just because you don't like their ideas doesn't negate that fact.
I think she owes MR Delaney an apology.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)without being told to get lost, get off the stage?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(297,323 posts)Aloha Hoa, Me
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)when she says something I disagree with..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I'm pretty far left. But I am always prepared to be educated and I recognize that reasonable minds can differ on something as complex and nuanced as MFA.
Haughty dismissals really aren't very productive among fellow Democrats. Just my two cents.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)no, she decides to get personal.
This is why I suspect her sphere of influence will not expand much beyond her base, because she has no problem of polarizing people.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,612 posts)Disagreement is fine but she went further than that. Who is she to tell others to drop out of the race?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)She's very intelligent and capable of good discourse. But this wasn't it. Not sure why she is empowered to order people to leave the race.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)My cost is about $40 a week. I have serious health issues and it took me a very long time to find providers that I trust and like. I am 100% with Medicare for America. I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to single payer. My LIFE depends on this issue and I'm sure it's very easy for people who do NOT have life threatening illnesses to want to burn it all down and start over, but that will go over about as well as an elephant pissing on a flat rock with the majority of voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,791 posts)Explain pls. Medicare for All would cover everyone. Why are you against it? There would be a transition period where those who need to stay on their plan can but once fully instituted Medicare for All would cover everyone like Medicare covers its constituents now.
And it works very well, thank you, which is why repugs have been trying to destroy it for decades.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Mouth
(3,150 posts)is how I take that.
The *ONLY* thing that is going to fly is for medicare, or a medicare type plan to be available to those who don't have a plan that works for them but leaves alone those who have what they like.
anything else is a non starter and an election loser.
all citizens should have healthcare, period. But mess with people who like what they have and it could be deadly for 2020.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brush
(53,791 posts)and word gets around how well it works, the others will come around.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
I have Kaiser and am pretty happy with it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)It allows Medicare for anyone who wants it without putting the complete screws to people like myself or union members who agreed to far less pay in order to get employer paid insurance. I oppose single payer but support Medicare or Medicaid as a public option available to all who want it. I'm all for CHOICE...with my body and with my medical insurance.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....with a "cold".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TruckFump
(5,812 posts)[link:|
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)without learning what it is they boo and cheering without finding out just what they're supporting.
Also politicians who feel ignorance benefits them far more than an informed, not-stupid electorate. That way is the wrong way.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)candidates out in California might cut her a break. Might. We don't know what the mood of the antagonistic populist types would be by then, though, and who they might be supporting. Putin's planning to unite LW and RW populists under one leader against Democrats.
Of course Putin might shoo them along to Trump again, easiest I imagine given that roughly half of them voted for him last time. But shouldn't rule out some other RW creep becoming the "Our Leader" of the new united group.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)I don't agree w everything she says, but, a lot of the younger generation are watching politics bc of her. Words are words. Nobody owns the meaning of any of them.
Grand scheme of things, she's just a kid. New to all of this, with lots of demands. I'm glad she's on our side.
I'm also glad, I'm not just now growing up w all this 'connectedness' on phones and online.
Lot's to criticize w the trumps.
I saw on another thread that we aren't allowed to ask about all the "investigations" bc doing so was bashing dems, but, we do this?
Can dems save thier ammo for what really counts? Unfortunate choice of words by a young lady doing her best.
If only we were perfect.
ps....Happy Monday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)all the more reasons the Congresswoman, from NYC no less, shouldn't be using homophobic tropes in her public utterances. And no, I will not save my ammo but, it's good to know you don't think using homophobic tropes is anything to get excited about. Do you also feel the same way towards racist Dems in VA, the Governor of Louisiana for signing into law the outrageous abortion bill last week? We're supposed to ignore all these as well as other incidents because they're Democrats? Not in my lifetime.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...."sashay away" next year. It's bound to get stronger, but there's already a movement to primary her like she did Crowley.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)That's politics I guess. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but, I think she does better than 100% of the repubs. Just opinions here. I'm not trying to be offensive myself. Happy Monday...groan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)and it being related to being homophobic was the furthest thing from my mind. If it is some word that is being used to put anyone down, it's not good. Pretty tame in comparison to the trump behavior we have everyday.
Im not apologizing for her, just asking for a little leeway. trumps are destroying our country, but, sashaye has folks un a dander? Twilight zone imho.
I think I referenced being older generation, I've never heard sashay being a slam. She's new to this. Pretty sure she's learning. Hope so.
Remember too...I NOTED it was an opinion. I'm not trying to piss off the morning crew here on DU.
Happy Monday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)making good faith arguments any more. I'm more interested in hearing how union-covered health care is better than M4A.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)SO damn sick of those grifters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)and her ego is a bit too much. Not much of a team player.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/09/politics/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-south-by-southwest/index.html
I wonder if Representative Casio-Cortez will start going after them also?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)But, I hope we don't start beating each other up out of frustration that the trumps get away w everything.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)someone drop out because you disagree with them goes beyond that in my view
It may not have much for one candidate, but continuing that line against all candidates you disagree with only serves to divide Democrats between each other which isnt a good thing
Which is what you are saying I think
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Chin music
(23,002 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)not good
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)the more they attack the higher their attackees polls GO!
I guess that's not a word.. but oh well you get the idea, right?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYC Democrat
(295 posts)Yeah go attack your closest ideological ally in the race because ANYONE who is a threat to Bernie MUST be evil and CRUSHED. It's amazing how bad at basic politics some people are.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)to mind. She is not only dismissing Delaney, but millions who like their plan.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
We do not need this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,323 posts)Thanks, George
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)Mature and intelligent. And measured. Unlike the original tweet.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,162 posts)She should have said this differently.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
moose65
(3,167 posts)When I first saw the title of this, my first response was "Who??" in relation to Delaney. He's not even on my radar, so I think he's definitely in Some Dude territory.
On the other hand, I don't see "sashay away" as homophobic. And I'm a gay man who watches RuPaul's Drag Race all the time. I've told people to "sashay away" before, and to me it has the same general meaning as "leave me alone" or "get lost." I think it's quite a stretch to call it homophobic.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Raven123
(4,849 posts)As she has proven in the past, AOC can hold her own and then some when she articulates policy disagreements. IMO this was not a good moment for her.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)from start to finish, seems a little silly. From AOC's harsh, unnecessary rebuke of a candidate who raised a fair point, to the over the top reaction to her rebuke. All silly. Just my opinion, of course.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,415 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DanTex
(20,709 posts)It wasn't homophobic, but it was excessively dismissive of a fair point Delaney was making. But then calling AOC homophobic because she quoted RuPaul is just silly.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)get involved in a real discussion of health care.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)She reminds me of Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,035 posts)Poor choice of words AOC.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Marengo
(3,477 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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irisblue
(32,981 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And it looks like Sister Soulja'ing the proposal is not winning candidates a lot of fans
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)"John Delaney believes that health care is a fundamental right. He is proposing a universal health care plan that will provide high-quality care to everyone and replace our outdated system of employer-sponsored insurance."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)carbon tax. it tells you something when the oil and gas industries are forit. also the NET is no where nearly developed to be of consequence. and he doesn't mention regreening the planet and nuclear power which be the most effective.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I don't think she'll be around long.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...due to a "cold" (she was out tending bar the day before https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142323324 ), she certainly didn't make friends in the LGBTQ community.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Sorry Mr. Delaney. Actual fact, and the examples of the many single payer countries refute your attempt at analysis.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Any plan that ends private employer-provided insurance alienates about 60% of the electorate.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)that a healthcare system ranked 37th needs no real change.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The problem is the inequality.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The US system is good if you rarely use it, and you have no serious conditions.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,415 posts)Delaney's healthcare programme is actually not bad, it is the public option, more or less.
One of AOC's fairly rare mistakes (she is often mis-represented by some), but this was not a good look.
I am sure she will learn from it.
Also, Delaney would hardly be a disaster as POTUS, he is more than capable, we are such a DEEP, TALENTED field!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,415 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)'anti-semitic.'
No one, not even AOC, gets to have it both ways.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,415 posts)Good bye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Good bye.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,791 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)It's not, really. At least no more important than anyone else's. And the way she's going it's soon going to be a lot less important. She's pissing off even some people who generally agree with her. She thinks she's cute, and she's not.
For the record, I disagree strongly with Delaney's statement. But AOC is getting on my last nerve.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)That should be painfully obvious to all, except those that . . .
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And how offensive it was?
And now she drops "sashay away" into a rant about a fellow Democrat?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)Thats where that phrase comes from, so it must have been on her mind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The problem is "Medicaid for most, capitation budgeting for providers" isn't a sexy bumper sticker, even though it's the only actually workable solution.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)People dont understand Medicare. They think its a workable program thats easily expanded with the right amount of funds. Thats not whats going on. Its a dysfunctional healthcare system that is rather fragile, and in some cases, clinics, healthcare providers and workers are dependent on its reimbursements. Medicare chronically under reimburses hospitals.
Im sure something workable could be hashed out, but Medicare as it is, isnt enough. Hasnt been for some time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)to him that keeping for profit insurance companies in the mix is not workable as to basic healthcare.
But he explained everyone would get basic HC from the govt and you could add to that with insurance.
Now I dont like that either much as I think it should be ALL government but he was suggesting something like Canada but MOSTLY what he was saying was if we go with MAKING HEALTH INSURANCE ILLEGAL, which the Medicare for all bill does, as our platform for 2020 we will lose many elections we need not lose, and THAT is where he and I agree.
Way too many of us like our private, employer paid plans and this would scare them. So I say get the NAZI out of the WH first, then risk scaring voters.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elfin
(6,262 posts)AOC tone it down. Say what you have to say without being rude to fellow Democrats, even if you disagree with them.
Disagree with the policy, not the person. In other words, grow up and mind your manners.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided