Sanders' Supporters May Revolt at Convention and Damage Democratic Nominee

[Vidal]

According to this article, Sanders supporters "say they are not afraid to stage another revolt at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee, even if doing so damages the party’s nominee ahead of the general election contest against President Trump."

Some Bernie backers are livid, and they claim there is some type of sabotage afoot. For hardcore Sanders supporters, Mr. Biden’s early domination of the race smacks of 2016, when the Democratic National Committee attempted to sabotage Mr. Sanders and clear the way to the nomination for Mrs. Clinton.

“The mainstream media and the DNC are colluding against the American people. That’s what it feels like. It’s the same thing all over again,” said Laurie Cestnick, a Sanders supporter who founded Occupy DNC to protest the nomination of Mrs. Clinton at the party’s 2016 convention in Philadelphia.

If they feel jilted again, Ms. Cestnick and fellow activists say they are not afraid to stage another revolt at the 2020 Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee, even if doing so damages the party’s nominee ahead of the general election contest against President Trump.

Sanders backers already mistrust polls that show Mr. Biden with a commanding lead and the news organizations that have put a spotlight on the former VP since he joined the race April 25. “People are becoming more upset and becoming more firm behind Bernie due to mainstream media not covering a lot of his events and the strong push for Biden,” Ms. Cestnick said. “Is 2016 going to happen all over again? It is sure feeling like it. But I tell you, they are going to see a fight like they have never seen before.”

Link: https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2019/05/bernie-backers-blame-dnc-for-2020-media-sabotage/

This is one reason many traditional Democrats are not fond of Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

[leftofcool]

1. But of course they will.

Predictable

[lamp_shade]

2. No surprise.

[beachbum bob]

3. Same mindset gave us Nader and Stein, and the horrible damage

their supporters inflicted on America and the world.

Shame on all of them

[Skya Rhen]

20. Also gave us Kavanaugh and Gorsuch - that crowd who voted for Stein is a disgrace!

[Gothmog]

90. The SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, I will be blaming Stein, Nina Turner and Prof. West among others

[Blue_true]

96. Gave us Alio, Roberts, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh.

Imagine if a democrat had been in place to make the open seat nominations instead.

[trueblue2007]

34. Same mindset gave us TRUMP and the horrible damage their supporters inflicted on Ameri

YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED.

[George II]

4. Hopefully they won't.

[Blue_true]

97. We need to assume that they will and treat them as hostile. nt

[pamdb]

5. Bernie Bots

I am soooooooo over Bernie. We voted for him in the Michigan Primary and both my husband and
I regret that. These people are no different than the trumpetts-if our guy doesn't get nominated we'll pout and take our toys and go home. Actually it would be better if they DID just not vote rather than try and stage a revolt. Bernie didn't help when he refused to concede the nomination (Hillary conceded to Obama within a week) and sat there pouting at the convention. Between his supporters and that idiot Jill Stein, we lost. There's no sabotage afoot-there are just so many candidates to choose from. If they want to blame someone, blame Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren, they are probably the ones pulling votes from him.

[trueblue2007]

36. HERE, HERE !!!!! your comments are 1000000000000% right on.

[LisaM]

61. Hillary conceded MONTHS before the primary. And thanks for your take on this.

The differences are staggering.

My parents (in Michigan) voted for Bernie, my father regrets it (he really didn't like it when I told him Bernie said JFK "was nauseating", and JFK is my father's political idol of all time), but my mother has become entrenched and even bought the narrative that the DNC "rigged" it for Bernie (it was actually far closer to rigging in 2008, when the DNC would not count Michigan and Florida's votes because they moved their primary dates).

My first thought when I saw the headline was, AGAIN?

[MaryMagdaline]

66. Thank you for pointing out the Florida and Michigan votes in 2008. Hillary was really hurt by that

I'm not bitter about that because I voted for Edwards in the primary in Florida (I have my own sins to atone for) and I think Obama was the better candidate (obviously) between Hillary and Obama. I came to LOVE Obama. But HRC really, really, got screwed by the Florida and Michigan votes and with the caucuses that favored younger voters.

[LisaM]

71. On paper, Hillary had the most votes in 2008.

She had a strong case for rigging, but she could read the writing on the wall, and I think she was gracious after she dropped out.

I preferred Edwards at first, though luckily his massive screwup happened in time for him to drop out of the race. I don't make any apologies for it, though. I still believe in his message of "two Americas", and I think it resonates even stronger than it did.

[MaryMagdaline]

76. True. That message of two Americas was great.

I am sorry that he fooled me on character. He could have cost us the election with his recklessness.

[LisaM]

81. He also wanted to limit pharmaceutical company ads.

In fact, it was one his last policy statements before everything exploded on him. Guess what they're talking about now? Limiting pharmaceutical ads.

What a waste.

[larwdem]

104. I supported

Sanders last time. Not this time !!!!

[Vidal]

105. Lots of progressives

agree with you and are supporting Liz.

[LonePirate]

6. So paranoia and the inability to perform simple math are requirements to be a supporter of his?

[yardwork]

79. Pretty much.

[SidDithers]

7. ...again....nt

Sid

[thesquanderer]

8. Bad source, the Washington Times.

If you clicked through their link under the word "livid," you'd have seen that the entire section of the article that you quoted is lifted directly from the right-wing Washington Times. You might as well have posted a piece from Brietbart. That stuff is intentionally skewed against our interests, which is why the TOS here says: "Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits."

[RandySF]

9. If you go through the links, you land on the Washington Times.

[The Blue Flower]

10. Troll

Sowing division.

[area51]

12. +1 n/t

[demmiblue]

23. Yep. n/t

[stonecutter357]

51. who is a Troll ?

[demmiblue]

56. Mahalo, stonecutter!

[stonecutter357]

59. Hi demmiblue .

[George II]

88. How nice.

[Autumn]

11. You think?

[earthshine]

22. +1

[demmiblue]

24. +1

[JudyM]

25. +1. Glaringly obvious by other posts.

[Chin music]

26. +1

Where's mirt?

[TCJ70]

35. It's pretty transparent at this point...n/t

[obnoxiousdrunk]

49. +1. N/T

[TreasonousBastard]

14. With this field of strong contenders, how could the DNC pull off this alleged "sabotage"? With the..

new superdelegate changes they can't do squat unless there's a runoff.

(Not that a runoff isn't likely with this field.)

[yellowdogintexas]

32. Not a runoff; that would involve all 50 states. DNC delegates will vote

at the convention on those who are nominated.

Sometimes the first vote will have several nominees. When the state delegations cast their votes, they may decide to nominate a 'favorite son' as a place holder or yield their spot to another state to see what happens down the line. If no one has the number of delegates needed, there will be another round of voting.

This can last a long time and makes the convention much more interesting.

[TreasonousBastard]

46. That's what I mean-- under the new rules, superdelegates can't vote in...

the first round. They can vote later if no candidate is chosen, as there just may not be.

Of course there's a vast amount of politicking and dealmaking going on during the whole thing.

[True Blue American]

60. The Primaries are going to decide

The canditate. How will they pull that off with 24 people running?

Bernie’s supporters are sinking him.

[TreasonousBastard]

89. It will be interesting-- that huge list of Rs back in 15/16...

is a big part of how Trump got the nomination.

[swag]

15. The source linked in the article is the Moonie Times. This is just RW media ratfuckery.

[MineralMan]

16. By the convention, Sanders might not even be a factor.

It's a little early to start threatening disruption it seems to me. It's also not a good look for Sanders at this point in the campaign. The smell of flop sweat can be detected from a great distance.

Ms. Cestnick, I think, is getting a bit ahead of herself.

[Vidal]

17. I agree

Yes, what she is quoted as saying does not really help anything, especially her candidate at this point.

[MineralMan]

19. Is she part of the Sanders staff?

Or is she just talking out of her ass?

[George II]

28. She is the person who organized the protests at the Democratic National Convention.

[MineralMan]

39. Yes, I saw that. I just wondered if she's officially connected

to the Sanders campaign.

[Hortensis]

38. Activist. Here's Cestnick saying most Sanders supporters

would refuse to vote for our nominee and that they were waiting for Sanders to run as a third-party candidate if Sanders' own bizarrely deluded plan to have our superdelegates effectively steal the election from the popular vote and name him the nominee didn't succeed.

Dishonorable and anti-democracy as most would agree this would be, and crazy as even imagining it could succeed was, it was Sanders' plan, which they supported. They didn't just imagine it.

Of course 3/4 of Sanders' primary voters were perfectly sane and DID vote for Hillary -- as they'd always intended. This person merely hoped she wasn't only speaking for that deplorable quarter like her who did vote Trump or third-party.

Of course, this apparently irredeemable minority of wingnuts is now promising various media to repeat 2016 all over again -- but louder. They're willing to follow Sanders where others won't go, though, and they of course don't speak for those normal Democrats who currently see him merely as one of their choices among Democrats.

[MineralMan]

40. Thanks. So, just talking out of her ass, then.

Never mind.

[Hortensis]

44. The Dexit "movement" of a quarter of Sanders' primary voters,

plus inviting many others to join, wasn't just noise, though. Analyses of primary voters alone show that if he had calmed the spite and disaffection he had fostered enough to keep them voting Democrat, Hillary would be president.

Plus, they're probably far outnumbered by others disaffected into not voting by the same lies about Democratic Party corruption. Sanders didn't succeed in getting elected, but a whole lot of foolish people believed his message (augmented by Russia) that we were no better than the Republicans and thus that they had no one to believe in and vote for.

[MineralMan]

45. I agree. Senator Sanders delayed his support for Hillary far too long.

That fomented the movement away from voting or voting for a third-party candidate.

[Gothmog]

62. sanders is running 5th in South Carolina and so might not get any delegates due to 15% rule

There are a good number of states where sanders might not get any delegates due to the 15% rule

[obamanut2012]

18. I'm not even a Democrat and am not fond of him

And never have been. I backed HRC in 2016, and any planks left in the bridge I had with Senator Sanders was completely torched by how he didn't reign in his supporters and how he did not enthusiastically back HRC.

If he won the nom, I would vote for him, but thank goodness he won't.

And, re: the "DNC candidate": Biden will never, ever get a vote from me in a primary because of Anita Hill, but will definitely get a vote from me for the GE. He just better name Harris or Warren as his VP.

[peggysue2]

21. If that were to happen, Bernie Sanders would be a forever pariah . . .

within the Democratic Party, regardless of how many times he voted with the party's caucus. His ideas and proposed programs would all be dumped into the trash bin and his name would be synonymous with 'spoiler.'

Even suggesting this sort of action is damaging to the race towards 2020. So either this is being presented by trolls or the Sanders' campaign doesn't have a speck of common sense.

That being said, MM may be absolutely right. The Senator from Vermont may be a non element long before the convention.

But this? Is plain nuts with the clear and present danger of another Trump Administration hanging over our heads.

[Hortensis]

43. It did happen. About a quarter of Sanders' voters "Dexited"

literally or just by voting out of spite for Trump (12%), not voting (2%) or going third party (the remainder). And Sanders really did violate our principles of democracy by asking the superdelegates to set aside the popular vote, in effect disenfranchising 16 million Democrats, to effectively appoint him the nominee.

So, "forever pariah." You bet. These overly ardent and under-principled whackadoodles are already finding themselves much more on their own this time, far less able to make trouble, and that's why they're angry so early. The Sanders legacy will be Trump and the Republican majorities, and his name in thick history books will be found in footnotes to Trump's election. (Just one!)

[Hassin Bin Sober]

27. Attacks Sanders supporters then complains Sanders supporters don't toe the line.

Makes sense.

[ehrnst]

29. By "toe the line" is assume you mean "not harrass" those

who are not Sanders or his supporters and instead "engage them respectfully?"

I guess Bernie was telling them to "toe the line" as well.

[Trumpocalypse]

53. Toe the line???

Meaning supporting the Democratic nominee whom ever that is?

Why do you have a problem with that?

[LibFarmer]

82. Do you mean tow the line? nt

[tonedevil]

85. The phrase is...

toe the line. It has nothing to do with towing it is about where you put your toes.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

93. Thanks. As in line up in formation ( on a line )

A rather minor pet peeve when people use tow.

[Blue_true]

98. We are not asking anyone to toe the line. We are asking them to not make shit up.

Democratic voters will decide our nominee as they always do, one vote at a time.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

30. Well as long as "Some Bernie backers" are indicating this, let's lose our goddamned minds.

Let's also not forget that a higher percentage of Sanders supporters voted for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008.

But, yeah, keep slamming Sanders supporters and then act shocked that they don't like you.

[comradebillyboy]

31. It happened in 2016 it may very well happen again in 2020.

Bernie and his people have a track record we can look at and draw our own conclusions. I don't really trust Sanders to do the right thing.

[SouthernProgressive]

33. Interesting that the founder of Occupy DNC and yet another Stein supporter is already out there....

promoting garbage this cycle.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Yeps - she reminds me of the PUMA folks in 2008

This article is from June of 2008 - and it explores why there was anger in 2008.

https://www.salon.com/2008/06/23/pumas/

1. They are angry because their candidate lost a close contest.
2. They are angry because their historic opportunity is over.
3. They are angry about rumors that Obama may choose a woman other than Hillary Clinton as his running mate. (Insert - the eventual nominee picks someone other than Sanders).


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I'm undecided - but Sanders is in my short list of those I will not even consider. If say it comes down to him, Gravel, Gabbard, Williamson in June 2020 (when my state's Primary is held) I just won't vote in the Primary. I also won't run a second term for the township Democratic Committee because I don't want to be obligated to campaign for these folks or put a sign in my yard.

[empedocles]

37. There are several threats from the Dem 'left' that could be costly to Dems

[LanternWaste]

41. Should that happen, it would be even more ineffectual than last time.

in the here and now, as long as they keep screaming for revolution, the fringe will remain the fringe.

[Gothmog]

47. Democrats worry Bernie Sanders won't be a team player if he loses nomination

I was in Philadelphia as a Clinton delegate and I saw this first hand

Link to tweet

The Democrats worry that Sanders won’t be a team player if he loses, and that he and his supporters will be particularly problematic if Biden or another rival seen as out of step with progressives comes out on top.

“I think Bernie will do everything in his power to elevate himself by pushing others down,” said one aide to a Democratic senator.

A senior aide to a second Democratic senator said concerns about Sanders dividing the party next year are widely held, even though everyone in the Senate Democratic Conference is holding their tongue for fear of making things even worse.

Some Democrats have blamed Sanders in part for that outcome, arguing he stayed in the primary against Clinton too long and that he did not do enough to bring his supporters on board in November.

[Vidal]

52. This shows why many Democrats don't have trust

they fear something like this will happen

[Gothmog]

63. I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention in Philadelphia

I saw what happened there up close. sanders sent one very weak text the Sunday night before the convention and then did little or nothing to control his delegates. It was nasty I was there when the sanders delegates booed Congressman John Lewis. I was warned about this stunt 30 minutes before it happened by the Clinton campaign whip. According to my whip, sanders was asked to stop this event and declined. If sanders is still viable come the Super Tuesday primaries, this incident may show up in some ads.

I was at the Texas delegation breakfast when a group of sanders delegates marched in and demanded that we condemn Clinton and change our votes to sanders.

sanders spoke to the Texas delegation the next morning and his speech was again solely about himself. There was a mini-riot due to his delegates the prior morning and the only thing that sanders talked about was himself. sanders did nothing to deal with the fact that his delegates were out of control and did nothing to try to help Hillary Clinton win the general election.

Finally a group of sanders delegates yelled at my daughter and called her the c-Word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. Again sanders was asked to tell his delegates to behave during the convention and sanders refused

Again, I saw first hand what happened in Philadelphia. I can see this happening but luckily sanders may have far fewer delegates due to the 15% rule and the number of candidates running

[Eliot Rosewater]

55. We know what he will do, dont we. More importantly what MANY of his followers will do.

sigh

[Cha]

48. KR!

[Trumpocalypse]

50. Well,

here we go again!

[Vidal]

54. I really hope not

it would be bad

[woodsprite]

57. Than they're no better than the Republicans.

And I was a Sanders supporter in the primaries, a Hillary supporter in the 2016 general.

[liberal N proud]

92. No different than the trumpkins

[Sienna86]

64. And the Russians pay people to sow discord

We are hurting ourselves. Please don’t help out the Republicans by promoting this stuff.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

65. I may be naive but I still don't quite understand exactly how the DNC "sabotaged" Sanders in 2016

It seemed pretty simple to me. He just didn't win enough primary votes to become the nominee- and it had nothing to do with Superdelegates either. And if even if the DNC didn't have a fond opinion of him, well, they still let him run in their party when they didn't have to and they didn't have control over primary voters. I still encounter a lot of FB friends whom seriously think Bernie was robbed of the nomination in 2016 and still hate the DNC over it to this day. I don't get very far with challenging their views either. I just hope they don't mess things up in 2020.

[Vidal]

68. He just didn't win enough primary votes to become the nominee

what else can be said? Wish they'd get over it and focus on beating Trump.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

69. Me too

[MaryMagdaline]

67. These people they are quoting cannot be Bernie supporters. Already conceding defeat?????

Planning to obstruct the convention when they lose??? These people have to be bots. No one could be a Bernie supporter and truly say these things when the primaries are wide open now for anyone to win.

[Vidal]

70. Playing the refs

once again, they are claiming unfair treatment. they aren't conceding defeat, just trying to change the rules of the game.

[MaryMagdaline]

78. Good point. You are probably correct.

[myohmy2]

72. the way I see it...

...Bernie and trump both identified the major GOP/Dem created problem of our time: 40 years of trading good-paying Union manufacturing jobs for cheap plastic buckets from China...deindustrialization and the decimation of our middle-class...

...we knew if trump got elected he would attack the problem by keeping the 1% who created the problem firmly in charge...we also knew if Bernie got elected he would have attacked the problem by kicking the shit out of the 1%...Obama had a chance to kick the 1%'s ass in 2008, to be another FDR, but he chose not to...Bernie would have been another FDR...

...if Bernie was allowed to get the nomination in 2016 and won the election we would be in an altogether different place today...so now, it appears we may be on our way to nominating another kumbaya candidate,

" Sanders backers already mistrust polls that show Mr. Biden with a commanding lead and the news organizations that have put a spotlight on the former VP since he joined the race April 25. "

...the middle-class doesn't need 40 more years in the economic wilderness by those who created the problem in the first place...another free-trading kumbaya candidate won't cut it...people will stick with trump...they'll have no choice...

...we don't seem to learn from our mistakes...

[Algernon Moncrieff]

73. This isn't 2016. Even if they revolt, I doubt it will work

People will legitimately question whether Russian or pro-Trump operatives were behind such a move.

I have no idea at this point whether we will have free and fair elections in 2020, and if so, whether the power of incumbency will save Trump. I do know that, at this point, you are either for Trump or you are against him. There is little to no middle ground, and people understand that a lot is at stake. The foundation of the Republic has cracks. America can choose to make repairs or do nothing and watch the structure collapse.

[Turbineguy]

74. Save trump the trouble.

Then he can actually claim truthfully that he got no help from the Russians.

[nini]

75. Of course they will

I have no doubt who they really work for.

[Nuggets]

77. Let them

Let the world see who they are. It won’t work out well for them.


Just like the T totalers, their way or no way.

[Bradshaw3]

80. The person they quoted sounds like a Dunning-Kruger type

“People are becoming more upset and becoming more firm behind Bernie due to mainstream media ..." When hit with facts and reason that don't fit into their preconceived worldview, they double down. The candidates who have the most to complain about media coverage are the females in the race.

[stopbush]

83. IMO, Sanders will be out of it long before the convention, at least vote-wise.

That said, if he has the $, he will hang around as long as possible, and he will start bad-mouthing and go negative on the leading D candidates, just as he did with Hillary in 2016.

[LibFarmer]

84. K&R nt

[betsuni]

86. K&R

[mcar]

87. Do they not understand the concept of losing?

This is ridiculous. Again.

[liberal N proud]

91. Damn they are dumb

[Blue_true]

100. I have dealt with people like them.

They have a totalitarian mindset, just from the left instead of the right. They don't believe in compromise, even if you are 100% on their side of things, it is what they want EXACTLY as they want it.

[ucrdem]

94. I know a few and they are completely convinced Bernie won California in 2016

and had it "stolen" from him. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Why are they so sure of all this nonsense? I honestly don't know but they are also certain that every word Sanders utters is gospel truth, so that might be part of the problem.

[Vidal]

95. "they are certain that every word Sanders utters is gospel truth, so that might be the problem"

you are so right about that, and it is very puzzling to me. Similar to Trumpsters in that respect.

[ucrdem]

99. Yes, there's a similar media bubble they rely on

that promotes every anti-Dem conspiracy going. The Nation, Pacifica, Common Dreams, CounterPunch, lots of new ones and a few I used to read regularly but haven't bothered to in years. They're fine when there's a wingnut in office but they were absolutely appalling to Obama and Clinton. Every Facebook meme that came down the pike they jumped on and pushed hard. I'm sure they will treat Biden with equal objectivity.

[Historic NY]

101. Again, how many will then vote for Trump again.

[LovingA2andMI]

102. And we will Revolt their Asses to the Front Door!

Not this time. Not happening.

[Deb]

103. Someone drank the collude-aid.