Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders to run as Democrat for Prez in 2020, indie Sen in 2024
According to this tweet, Senator Sanders has filed to run as a Democrat in the 2020 Presidential election, but as an independent in his re-election for the Senate in 2024. I haven't had a chance to verify this information, but if it is true, I find it highly peculiar.
Link to tweet
What is it with wanting to be the leader of the party, but adamantly refusing to join it unless it's as the leader?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
CrossingTheRubicon
(731 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Or something.
Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Imagine that registering as a Dem in Vermont is as easy as filling out a rubric when one files for election? Who'd a thunk it?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RandySF
(58,899 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brooklynite
(94,595 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stopbush
(24,396 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)He has been steadily losing credibility over the last couple of years. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth in regards to my party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)it is HAPPENING AGAIN!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Sorry but that doesn't seem credible to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)If he wants to continue getting donations for his Senate campaign, he needs to file now otherwise he'd be restricted when it comes to how much he can receive in donations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)That makes sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)....the 2016 Democratic National Convention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)unless one is elected leader of the said organization. Even if a person works with the organization, it is unusual to ask to be elected leader of it - and refuse to join it otherwise.
To me personally, it seems like a certain arrogance, a dismissal of the leadership of the organization as not good enough, as seeing oneself as the one true savior. But as I said, that is my personal impression, should someone do that to, say, the teacher's union in which I am county leader, for example.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brer cat
(24,576 posts)Very peculiar indeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,790 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)the people FALLING for it!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)we are the only path for him to be on committees in the Senate.
We are the only path for him to win the presidency.
He's not "joining" us because he wants to be on our team, he's "joining" us because he needs us.
Once he loses in the primaries, he's right back to being an independent.
What he and his followers don't understand is the signal he sends is that the Democratic Party is not worth joining on its own merits.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
manor321
(3,344 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I hope that other lifelong, real democrats agree and make his candidacy short.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)How can one be a bono fide Democrat and then run as an indie?
This is the actual rule that governs whether sanders can run as a member of the Democratic party https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf
A. are a member of the Democratic Party;
B. will accept the Democratic nomination; and
C. will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party.
This requirement of written affirmation shall not supplant any necessary qualifications a candidate must satisfy at the state level, but is in addition to such affirmations required by individual states and territories. The written affirmation shall be done via an approved format by the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee appended to this Call
There is an oath that sanders and other candidates will have to take
https://www.thegreenpapers.com/P20/2019-01-03-2020_Call_for_the_Convention_12.21.18_w-attachments.pdf
Pursuant to Article IV of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention, I hereby affirm that, upon publicly announcing my candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States in the 2020 election, I am a member of the Democratic Party. I will run as a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected. I understand that signing this form does not supplant any legal or Party requirement by any state or territory to qualify for ballot placement in that jurisdiction.
Further, I acknowledge that in submitting this form to the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, I am subject to the provisions of Rule 13.K of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2020 Democratic National Convention and Article VI of the Call for the 2020 Democratic National Convention that authorize the National Chairperson to determine whether a presidential candidate has established substantial support for their nomination as the Democratic candidate for the Office of the President of the United States, is a bona fide Democrat whose record of public service, accomplishments, public writings and/or public statements affirmatively demonstrate that the candidate is faithful to the interests, welfare and success of the Democratic Party of the United States, and will participate in the Convention in good faith.
___________________
NOTARY AFFIDAVIT
STATE OF ______________
COUNTY OF _______________
I, ____________________________________, a Notary Public, do hereby certify that on this ____day of ___________________, 20____, personally appeared before me ______________________________, known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument, and swore and acknowledged to me that they executed the same for the purpose and in the capacity therein expressed, and that the statements contained therein are true and correct. _______________________________________________ Notary Public, State of __________________ Name, Typed or Printed: __________________________________________ My Commission Expires: ___________________________
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)From the oath Sanders supposedly signed:
Emphasis mine
Sanders has consistently bashed the Democratic Party publicly every chance he gets. He's repeatedly said he is not a Democrat. His past behavior at the Convention isn't promising regarding his future participation "in good faith."
He may sign the oath, but I very much doubt if he'll keep it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)If this is accurate, then this speaks volumes about Sanders
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)Has sanders actually signed the required DNC oath yet? Has sanders agreed to be a bonofide Democrat?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(92,219 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BooScout
(10,406 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Mr. Smith
(65 posts)If enough Democratic voters want him, he will be the nominee. If not, he won't.
The rest is just so much furious froth.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,304 posts)Will Be VETTED This TIME.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)sanders will be vetted this cycle and vetting is part of the process https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/01/28/why-bernie-sanders-has-an-uphill-climb-ahead/?utm_term=.1b4f90c2a717
Which is what we could say about the Sanders candidacy as a whole: Theres no way to know how its going to go. But hes got his work cut out for him.
See also https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/bernie-sanders-2020-campaign-donald-trump/index.html?utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-02-20T14%3A52%3A07&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social%C2%A0
One of the secrets to Sanders' success in 2016 was that no one -- most especially Clinton -- thought he had any chance of going anywhere in the race. Clinton largely ignored him for the better part of 2015, allowing some problematic parts of Sanders' record for Democrats -- most notably his voting record on guns -- to go unnoticed. (When the race began to tighten, Clinton gently prodded Sanders on guns and health care.) Sanders, too, largely flew under the radar of investigative reporters for major news outlets who were busy looking into Clinton, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio and others seen as more viable candidates. (That reality clearly benefited Donald Trump in the early days of the campaign, as well.)
Sanders will get no pass -- from either the media or his fellow candidates -- this time around. He is among the frontrunners -- and will be treated as such. His wife's time as president of Burlington College could well come up. And his opponents will do a deep dive into his nearly 30 years of votes as a member of the House and Senate. This is all very normal stuff in a campaign. But not for Sanders.
The vetting has only started and I have seen some interesting oppo on sanders. Again, a nominee needs to be vetted and I am glad that sanders will be vetted this cycle
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
handmade34
(22,756 posts)you are a good Senator... Just stop pretending that you can be President... I don't want you as my President and I really resent most of what you have done to muddy our Party and elections
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)Link to tweet
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lapucelle
(18,274 posts)The DNC, likely to avoid candidates using the partys resources while not actually supporting them, established a rule mandating that candidates who run as Democrats must be declared Democrats for at least 30 days prior to that announcement.
But, as The Daily Beast reports, Senator Sanders has just filed his Senate 2024 campaign re-election bid, and registered as an independent.
https://www.alternet.org/2019/03/democratic-presidential-candidate-bernie-sanders-files-for-senate-2024-re-election-as-an-independent/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
murielm99
(30,745 posts)they are weak.
The rest of us are not weak. We proved that with the blue wave.
We need to shout from the rooftops that BS is NOT a Democrat, and we should cast our primary and general election votes for anyone else. I do not have a preferred candidate yet. But it will not be a divider who cannot respect our party enough to declare as a Democrat for both offices he seeks.
Why hasn't some Vermonter primaried him? He deserves it. There is still time!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The lies and attacks and smears against Democrats and the Democratic party are absolutely over-the-top! It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt". It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "feeble". It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "corrupt". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". It's NOT TRUE that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans." It's NOT TRUE that Democrats are "do-nothings". It's NOT TRUE that the Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change." It's NOT TRUE that the Democrats "focus too much" on diversity. It's also NOT TRUE that people who the refuse to vote for an African-American because of his skin color "aren't racists". It's also NOT TRUE that the Democrats who "are very big into diversity" aren't "particularly sympathetic" to the working class.
What good purpose does it serve for anyone to smear the party like that???
If people are gradually being convinced that there's "no difference" in the parties, then what reason do they have to come out and vote for Democrats?
When someone so clearly despises the Democratic party, I have no choice but to distrust their sincerity when it comes to any "pledge" being made.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
honest.abe
(8,678 posts)He's scamming us.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... where are the tax returns?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
forklift
(401 posts)Historical behavior is the best predictor.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(145,313 posts)Link to tweet
And candidates must affirm in writing to the DNC chairman that they "are a Democrat... are a member of the Democratic Party; will accept the Democratic nomination; and will run and serve as a member of the Democratic Party."...
But some Democrats, Clinton supporters in particular, partly blame Sanders for her loss in 2016. They feel that by not embracing the party label, Sanders sowed a sense that there wasn't much difference between the parties and, therefore, between Trump and Clinton.
Clinton, herself, wrote in her book What Happened that Sanders did "lasting damage" to her candidacy and that he never wanted a Democrat to win.
"He didn't get into the race to make sure a Democrat won the White House," Clinton wrote, "he got in to disrupt the Democratic Party."
She called him "fundamentally wrong" about the party, ticked off the things Democrats have done and noted, "I am proud to be a Democrat and I wish Bernie were, too."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden