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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

Shrek

(3,980 posts)
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:49 PM May 2019

The epidemic of random white men running for president, explained.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/5/16/18623083/democratic-presidential-candidates-2020-election-bill-de-blasio

We asked Kyle Kondik, who helps run the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics, why a politician would decide to jump into the 2020 campaign when there are already 20 other candidates. He named three factors.

1) There isn’t exactly a big favorite.

2. With so many candidates already in, why not take the chance?

3. Democrats really think they can beat Donald Trump.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
1. "There isn't exactly a big favorite"
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:54 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
11. It'S WiThIn tHe MaRgIn oF ErRoR!
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:33 PM
May 2019

(apologies InABlueState, I could not resist)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Why is their 'whiteness' of any import in this equation?
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:56 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
7. It's not, of course. But its the go-to when you want clicks to a half-assed article.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:25 PM
May 2019

"no big favorite"
I guess the writer hasnt looked at any polls. ANY of them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
9. OK, just checking ;) (nt)
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:27 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Vidal

(642 posts)
4. Sorry
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:01 PM
May 2019

None of those answers make any sense.

They certainly don't explain anything.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Doesn't ping. Especially the supposed "identity crisis."
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:47 PM
May 2019

I've always been strongly liberal as eras shifted and literally never had an "identity crisis," not even during the grim 1990s when the party had to shift somewhat right with most Democratic voters to keep any power at all. I stayed steady but understood why it was being done, and since I believe in REPRESENTATIVE democracy didn't even disapprove all that much. And "mainstream liberal Hillary Clinton and the socialist populist Bernie Sanders" didn't create one in 2016. I was happy and proud to follow Obama with Hillary heading up our ambitious agenda for the next 8 years.

This article pretends that Sanders was a strong candidate instead of a weak "sorta-socialist" one using populism to gain dissident support because most Democrats weren't impressed with him. He was given enormous lift by the combined efforts of the Republican Party, enormous investment by our wannabe kleptocracy and their agents, the Russians, the FBI, the hostile conservative- and profit-serving media (including the NYT, MSNBC and CNN), and hostile LW radical media.

And of course by a flood of primary spoiler voters who had no intention of voting for Sanders in the GE. Pew's analyses all had to estimate and subtract the spoilers in each race from genuine support in order to arrive at figures for him.

In spite of that, though Sanders did appallingly well against Clinton with all that hostile interference and myth making, he still lost by a wide margin.

And here we are today with every candidate generally united on the same ideals and general goals, including for the most part our blue dogs.

Heck, Sanders himself -- the person who's supposed to be emblematic of our "identity crisis" -- claims the same goals popular with mainstream Democrats, first adopting Elizabeth Warren's in 2016, and now trying to take down other Democrats from within their own fortress of ideological mainstream strength by claiming they don't belong. Absolutely none of our supposedly more left goals conflict in any way or change direction from with the Democratic Party's ideals and goals of the past 70 years. They're merely continuations, tweaks, to meet the needs of this era.

Our magnificent blue wave of the midterms was no more an "identity crisis" than our preference for the positive candidate over the cranky downer who kept insisting we were corrupt and had to fix ourselves in 2016. Both chose for positive liberal values and goals and sensible government to achieve them.

And that's why the "identity crisis" is just more hostile mythology. Like the other hackneyed phoniness that Democrats are feuding and in disarray. And that we don't try to represent "the people." Strange that our vast, diverse alliance that IS all of America's electorate that hasn't fled to the white supremacy party somehow doesn't include any of those also.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
5. My three reasons why so many candidates are in this race.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:08 PM
May 2019

1. Book deal, make the talk show rounds, maybe land a gig on MSNBC.

2. Cabinet position.

3. Setting up name recognition for a run in 2024.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

msongs

(67,406 posts)
6. which of those 3 apply to inslee? nt
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:23 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
8. But #3 would imply losing to trump in '20.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:25 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
10. A frontrunner closing in on 50%
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:31 PM
May 2019

who has been in the lead all year is not a “big favorite”?

If I were to vote in a presidential
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DrToast

(6,414 posts)
13. Maybe it's time to give a white man a shot.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:50 PM
May 2019

I mean, it’s been 15 years since the Dems nominated a white guy. And it’s been over 20 years since there’s been a white man as a Democratic President.

Give white men a chance!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
15. Its been over 10 yrs since a Republican MAN was president.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:54 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
16. Indeed, but I didn't want to take credit for him!
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:56 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Celerity

(43,383 posts)
14. If Abrams gets in, we will have 11 non white males running, plus 2 other minorities (Pete is gay,
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:50 PM
May 2019

Bernie is Jewish).

12 out 25 who are non minority white males is hardly something that I am going to worry about simply based off the numbers.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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