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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts)
Thu May 16, 2019, 01:13 PM May 2019

Biden responds to Ocasio-Cortez criticism: 'Tell her to check' my record

Former Vice President Joe Biden (D) on Tuesday pushed back against criticism of his forthcoming climate plan by progressives who have characterized it as a "middle ground" approach to addressing global warming.

"You never heard me say middle of the road. I've never been middle of the road on the environment," Biden told reporters in New Hampshire. "Tell her to check the statement that I made and look at my record."

"I don't think she was talking about me," Biden added.

His office did not immediately respond to an inquiry about which statement of his he was referencing.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) criticized Biden's forthcoming climate plan last week and again at a Monday night rally in support of the Green New Deal.

"This is a dealbreaker. There is no 'middle ground' w/ climate denial & delay," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted last week.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-responds-to-ocasio-cortez-criticism-tell-her-to-check-my-record/ar-AABlQP0?li=BBnb7Kz

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Biden responds to Ocasio-Cortez criticism: 'Tell her to check' my record (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 OP
She did Joe. And so are others. nt Autumn May 2019 #1
Which others? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #2
Since he's the "front runner" for now everybody's looking at his record. If they aren't they Autumn May 2019 #19
but he is not polling well against trump, the only metric that matters AlexSFCA May 2019 #30
If she did she wouldn't have said what she said. George II May 2019 #6
Where did she ever say he said middle of the road? She said no 'middle ground' w/ climate Autumn May 2019 #23
Word games. The fact is that Biden was all over the climate change issue..... George II May 2019 #27
Words have meaning. He misunderstood her words and took them as an attack on him which Autumn May 2019 #37
Actually you should read EVERYTHING he said, including this: George II May 2019 #39
ok so the GND fails to pass qazplm135 May 2019 #31
Who says it has to be the GND? Middle ground is a waste of time. nt Autumn May 2019 #38
ffs...it's a stand-in qazplm135 May 2019 #41
You DownriverDem May 2019 #8
No he's not the best to beat Trump, you might think he is but you offer no proof. It's just Autumn May 2019 #17
All the head to head polls show Biden with the biggest margin over trump among all candidates. George II May 2019 #24
That will change. nt Autumn May 2019 #26
If it does (and if it goes the way you want) then it'll be a topic of discussion. For now.... George II May 2019 #28
Guess what? A few days ago Biden was 6% ahead of trump, Sanders only 4%.... George II May 2019 #40
How many times is this murielm99 May 2019 #3
Hit the trash thread key if you don't like it. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2019 #4
How come DownriverDem May 2019 #12
folks who dislike VP Biden will keep RE-POSTING this thread 3904867 times. Sigh. trueblue2007 May 2019 #7
Notice DownriverDem May 2019 #9
Cut them some slack; it's gotta suck to see your favorite candidate tank in the polls LongtimeAZDem May 2019 #13
yeah i do .... the other guy. trueblue2007 May 2019 #15
interesting yaesu May 2019 #5
The bottom line is (and I've said this about other issues, too), do we want a so-called.... George II May 2019 #10
Her use of the word "dealbreaker" is clearly an 'all or nothing' philosophy that... NurseJackie May 2019 #16
This one is a classic! mcar May 2019 #20
Make sure you have a meme for Viggo Mortensen and Oliver Stone. RLG May 2019 #21
Where have I seen that before? George II May 2019 #32
Hay! NurseJackie May 2019 #33
I really dislike Sarandon Gothmog May 2019 #34
Ocasio-Cortez favors cameras and microphones left-of-center2012 May 2019 #11
Is her district office open yet? NurseJackie May 2019 #18
A good friend of mine in Jackson Heights tried to call it last week, still getting that recording... George II May 2019 #22
Sharice Davids was elected at the same time... NurseJackie May 2019 #25
And had her office up and running on the day she was sworn in..... George II May 2019 #29
I really like Sharice Davids Gothmog May 2019 #35
I do to... I like the fact that she puts her constituents first (as she was elected to do.) NurseJackie May 2019 #36
well if trump wins it wont matter anyway samnsara May 2019 #14
 

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
1. She did Joe. And so are others. nt
Thu May 16, 2019, 01:14 PM
May 2019
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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
19. Since he's the "front runner" for now everybody's looking at his record. If they aren't they
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:17 PM
May 2019

should be.

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AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
30. but he is not polling well against trump, the only metric that matters
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:27 PM
May 2019

everything else is noise and distraction.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
6. If she did she wouldn't have said what she said.
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:10 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
23. Where did she ever say he said middle of the road? She said no 'middle ground' w/ climate
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:40 PM
May 2019

denial & delay. She was responding to the report Biden’s forthcoming climate plan is reportedly being pegged as a “middle ground” approach to addressing global warming.

Someone who knows of his great climate plan must have called it a “middle ground” approach to addressing global warming and that what she addressed. I wonder who would know what his plan entails that they could call it a middle ground approach?

"This is a dealbreaker. There is no 'middle ground' w/ climate denial & delay," Ocasio-Cortez tweeted last week.


She addressed that. Of course, no one heard him say middle of the road and AOC never said he did. Biden got that wrong in his response when he made it personal in his response

"You never heard me say middle of the road. I've never been middle of the road on the environment," Biden told reporters in New Hampshire.


Then later

"What's too much for me," she said, "is that Congress was first notified by NASA that climate change was going to threaten my life and everyone here's life to come, and they did nothing."

"If the same politicians who refused to act then are going to try to come back today and say we need to have a 'middle of the road approach' to save our lives, that is too much for me," she added.


She's right, a middle of the road approach isn't going to work. That would be too little too late




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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Word games. The fact is that Biden was all over the climate change issue.....
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:15 PM
May 2019

....decades ago, even before she was born. You can look it up.

So when is there going to be legislation (not merely a "resolution&quot introduced in the House? Next week? July? Or will we see it in the Autumn?

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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
37. Words have meaning. He misunderstood her words and took them as an attack on him which
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:16 PM
May 2019

it wasn't. Hopefully, legislation will be passed when we get a president who feels an urgency about climate change. That president should be willing to use any means necessary to get it done without depending on his friends across the aisle.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Actually you should read EVERYTHING he said, including this:
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:25 PM
May 2019
"I don't think she was talking about me," Biden added.
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qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
31. ok so the GND fails to pass
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:30 PM
May 2019

now what?

If someone follows up with a "middle ground approach" that can pass, should Dems vote it down?

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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
38. Who says it has to be the GND? Middle ground is a waste of time. nt
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:18 PM
May 2019
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qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
41. ffs...it's a stand-in
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:37 PM
May 2019

please feel free to substitute whatever "not a middle ground" proposal you support or can think of...and then it fails.

Then, someone comes along with a "middle ground" proposal that has the votes.

Your Senator needs to vote yes or not on it...what do you want to have happen?

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DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
8. You
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:18 PM
May 2019

are trying way too hard. Biden is the best candidate to beat trump and he's a real Democrat.

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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
17. No he's not the best to beat Trump, you might think he is but you offer no proof. It's just
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:15 PM
May 2019

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an opinion.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
24. All the head to head polls show Biden with the biggest margin over trump among all candidates.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:42 PM
May 2019

That would lead one to correctly conclude that he's the best to beat trump.

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Autumn

(45,096 posts)
26. That will change. nt
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:06 PM
May 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. If it does (and if it goes the way you want) then it'll be a topic of discussion. For now....
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:17 PM
May 2019

....Biden is the best candidate to beat trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
40. Guess what? A few days ago Biden was 6% ahead of trump, Sanders only 4%....
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:33 PM
May 2019

...but you are correct! This came out today:



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murielm99

(30,742 posts)
3. How many times is this
Thu May 16, 2019, 01:20 PM
May 2019

going to be posted here?

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts)
4. Hit the trash thread key if you don't like it.
Thu May 16, 2019, 01:26 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
12. How come
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:20 PM
May 2019

they support the same candidate?

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trueblue2007

(17,223 posts)
7. folks who dislike VP Biden will keep RE-POSTING this thread 3904867 times. Sigh.
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:11 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

DownriverDem

(6,228 posts)
9. Notice
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

who they support?

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
13. Cut them some slack; it's gotta suck to see your favorite candidate tank in the polls
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:25 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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trueblue2007

(17,223 posts)
15. yeah i do .... the other guy.
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:44 PM
May 2019

i don't like all the rancor. didn't like it in 2016 and hate it even more now. makes me depressed.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
10. The bottom line is (and I've said this about other issues, too), do we want a so-called....
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

...."middle ground" approach that can get PASSED or stubbornly stick to an extreme approach that has no chance of ever getting passed?

To put it another way, do we want 50% or 60% or maybe even 70% of a "middle ground" approach or 0% of the extreme approach?

The extreme approach is, indeed, a "dealbreaker" - sticking to that will result in NO "deal".

If I were to vote in a presidential
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
16. Her use of the word "dealbreaker" is clearly an 'all or nothing' philosophy that...
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:51 PM
May 2019

Her use of the word "dealbreaker" is clearly an 'all or nothing' philosophy that always results in failure to make progress. It's a very "Sarandonesque" way of approaching politics, and I think that's dangerous.



BTW: Fuck Susan Sarandon!

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mcar

(42,334 posts)
20. This one is a classic!
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:19 PM
May 2019
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RLG

(314 posts)
21. Make sure you have a meme for Viggo Mortensen and Oliver Stone.
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:24 PM
May 2019

They were also Jill Stein supporters.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
32. Where have I seen that before?
Thu May 16, 2019, 05:55 PM
May 2019
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Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
34. I really dislike Sarandon
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:08 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
11. Ocasio-Cortez favors cameras and microphones
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:19 PM
May 2019

What is she doing as a Congresswoman?
I haven't heard.

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NurseJackie

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18. Is her district office open yet?
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:15 PM
May 2019
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George II

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22. A good friend of mine in Jackson Heights tried to call it last week, still getting that recording...
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:40 PM
May 2019

...directing callers to her website. The problem is she doesn't have a computer.

It's more than four months now.

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NurseJackie

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25. Sharice Davids was elected at the same time...
Thu May 16, 2019, 03:43 PM
May 2019

... her district office is open.

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George II

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29. And had her office up and running on the day she was sworn in.....
Thu May 16, 2019, 04:20 PM
May 2019

In fact she has TWO District offices open. That's how to serve one's constituents.

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Gothmog

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35. I really like Sharice Davids
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:09 PM
May 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
36. I do to... I like the fact that she puts her constituents first (as she was elected to do.)
Thu May 16, 2019, 06:10 PM
May 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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samnsara

(17,622 posts)
14. well if trump wins it wont matter anyway
Thu May 16, 2019, 02:39 PM
May 2019
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