So glad to see MSNBC cover Bernie's speech: They loved covering 45 last time....

[lindysalsagal]

It's too bad I'm actually surprised that the liberal channel would usually not air it.

There is still a right wing media bias, regardless of what the wingers say.

Bernie's talking healthcare reform, college, childcare, infrastructure, jobs, $15 minimum wage, unions, income inequality and frump crime family. Awesome!

Bernie's sounding GREAT!!!

[itsrobert]

1. Looks like Bernie is using the GOP playbook

Put POC positioned behind him.

[Autumn]

2. They are in front of him too. Video, pics and all that.

[sheshe2]

77. I watched on CNN.

Reviewed the crowd panned on numerous twitter feeds afterwards.

No. They were not.

[Autumn]

78. Did you go through all of the close to 13 thousand in the audience?

I salute you. You must have seen some different feeds than I did.

[sheshe2]

88. I hear the counts a tad lower than that Autumn.

Much lower.

If you look at the thousands panned and not find one, Black yet there are 6 black people directly behind the podium you have to say... Hmmmm.

[Autumn]

91. Well we all hear something she. I didn't bother to check the race of people in the stands

or the audience. That's so yesterday.

[sheshe2]

92. You did.

Star Member itsrobert (13,975 posts)

1. Looks like Bernie is using the GOP playbook

Put POC positioned behind him

.

Star Member Autumn (33,421 posts)

2. They are in front of him too. Video, pics and all that.

[Autumn]

94. They were in the feed I watched she. In the front, on the stand and in the crowd.

But I didn't go looking and reviewing the feeds and pics. I just watched and enjoyed the speech and the diversity

Star Member sheshe2 (53,974 posts)

77. I watched on CNN.

Reviewed the crowd panned on numerous twitter feeds afterwards.

No. They were not.

Have a good one

[sheshe2]

95. You too, Autumn.

Night.

[hedda_foil]

4. Are you actually watching this or just making things up?

[itsrobert]

7. Live on CNN

Are you?

[Autumn]

8. Toss away line. Like the screeching about his taxes before his announcement and since.

[lapucelle]

17. Asking to see BS's taxes is "screeching"? Were Democrats "screeching" about Trump's taxes

at the Cohen hearing this week?

What about Elizabeth Warren?

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

19. Bernie said he will release them and he will. No worries, I'll screech if he doesn't.

[TexasTowelie]

35. Did the record skip?

[Autumn]

37. People in real life don't care or give a shit, the nominee usually releases his taxes.

Have all the candidates released all their taxes? It's not a law and until it is, it's not a big deal. Bernie said he will release them. Until then... big whoop

[TexasTowelie]

43. Au contraire, I never underestimate the curiosity of other people.

Autumn

37. People in real life don't care or give a shit, the nominee usually releases his taxes.
View profile
Have all the candidates released all their taxes? It's not a law and until it is, it's not a big deal. Bernie said he will release them. Until then... big whoop

There are already plenty of people in real life that care. The media will provide reminders about Bernie's lack of transparency for as long as he delays the release.

It also allows Trump to make an argument that the Democrats are hypocritical if we are demanding his tax returns while not demanding Bernie's (or any other Democrat) who fails to provide their returns.

Why are you changing the topic of this thread to mention other candidates? This thread is about Bernie.

[sheshe2]

46. Thank you.

[Autumn]

47. Why am I changing the topic? I'm not, you and others changed the topic from Bernie's rally

to Bernie's tax returns.

TexasTowelie

Au contraire, I never underestimate the curiosity of other people.

There are already plenty of people in real life that care. The media will provide reminders about Bernie's lack of transparency for as long as he delays the release.

It also allows Trump to make an argument that the Democrats are hypocritical if we are demanding his tax returns while not demanding Bernie's (or any other Democrat) who fails to provide their returns.

Why are you changing the topic of this thread to mention other candidates? This thread is about Bernie.

Bernie Sanders who is a Democratic candidate, one of several, has said he will release them. Have all our candidates released their tax returns? Get back to me about it when everybody but Bernie has released them. Till then, big whoop.

[blue cat]

55. This is so disheartening

It is a big deal. It’s very disheartening to see Dems acting like trump supporters. I’m angry because it feels like Bernie is disrespecting the process by taking 3 years +.
It has always been done. Just trump and Bernie so that’s the big whoop.

[Autumn]

56. Has Julian Castro released his tax returns? I never said Bernie didn't have to.

No, he has not taken 3+ years. Bernie said he would release his taxes when he won the nomination in 2016 . He didn't win the nomination. He did release this back then. Not at all like Trump.

https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/tax-compliance/news/12197662/bernie-sanders-releases-income-tax-return

[blue cat]

73. Dih

He needs to release them before the nomination. It’s too late after the nomination. He said he would release them last time before the election but he didn’t. I supported him before that but I don’t take it kindly when I’m lied to. I don’t want to be like trump supporters. Again, he said that he would release them last time before the convention but he didn’t. This goes for everyone running.
It’s not hard people to demand that our candidates get vetted or we are no better than trump cult members.

[Autumn]

74. Has Julian Castro released his tax returns yet? nt

[lapucelle]

63. Until then...

[Autumn]

68. Warren and Harris have released theirs. Who else in our field of presidential candidates

have released their tax returns?

[lapucelle]

82. Warren, Harris, and Gillibrand. Seventeen years of Biden's returns are already available

from his previous runs. Given the questions about the stalling last time around, I would have thought BS would be first to release his taxe returns this time around.

https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/let-me-finish-what-s-bernie-sanders-hiding-697988163836

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/04/07/fact-check-bernie-sanders-on-tax-returns-jake-tapper-origwx-cm-cc.cnn

https://www.gillibrand.senate.gov/tax-returns

https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns

[Autumn]

84. So several haven't released their tax returns yet. That's what I thought.

[lapucelle]

87. There are only two people who also ran in 2016 who didn't release then and haven't released now.

Journalists are curious about the returns as are voters.

[lapucelle]

97. The operative word there is "yet".

[Autumn]

98. Exactly. Bernie has not yet released his tax returns. He says he will, "will"

being another operative word.

[lapucelle]

100. Never in 2016...not yet this time around.

[George II]

64. Yes they do care, and mostly BECAUSE, as you say, "the nominee usually releases his taxes"....

...(or her's) it's generally not a question. So when it's not done it IS an issue. I don't know why this is so difficult. I'm just an average Joe and I have 15 years on my computer. Took almost no time at all.

[Autumn]

66. Bernie said he will be releasing his and I'm sure he will . He released this in 2015

and said he would release more if he were the nominee. He wasn't so...

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. FUCKING STUNNING to hear the word "screeching" associated with releasing taxes

[mr_lebowski]

58. Have any of the other Democratic candidates released their tax returns?

Just asking

[Autumn]

67. Yeah I asked that too. Still waiting .

I think so far Warren and Harris have. Bernie says he will be releasing his, I'm not going to panic this soon.

[George II]

69. In the past all have except for two. Elizabeth Warren has already released 10 years...

...and Joe Biden has released 18 years.

https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns (past primary candidates aren't included)

[Autumn]

72. Of our candidates who have released their tax returns other than Liz? nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. And when Bernie DOES release his tax returns, of course, that won't be good enough...

hey, he's Bernie!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lapucelle]

101. ...

[lindysalsagal]

9. Watching. Why suspect anything else? I'm undecided because I'm voting DEM regardless.

And everyone else should, too.

So, stop making assumptions: If YOUR favorite becomes the nominee, he/she gets my vote.

Besides, these are always Bernie's policies, so, why the argument???

The point is I'm glad to see one of ours on MSNBC, and they're still not cutting away. Please stick to the point and help us win.

[vsrazdem]

5. Give me a break. I have been to Bernie rallies.

These are exactly the diverse people in the crowd, not just on the stage. You don't have to like Bernie. But suggesting he uses GOP tactics is ridiculous.

[George II]

13. I'm wondering why he chose Brooklyn for this event. He hasn't lived there for more than 50 years.

[NurseJackie]

20. Probably because it would be difficult to establish a sea of diverse faces...

I'm wondering why he chose Brooklyn for this event.

Probably because it would be difficult to establish a sea of diverse faces among his constituents in Vermont. It's a fact that Vermont is a very homogeneous state that lacks ethnic diversity.

I don't think the strategically placed audience members will help him to win additional votes in states that have larger AA and POC populations. Bernie is already a known entity and opinions of him likely haven't improved over the past two years.

[Autumn]

21. He went to college there, he grew up there? Why not?

[George II]

24. He went to college for one year, then transferred to the University of Chicago.

If we're using college as his rationale, if anything he should have been out in Chicago today.

It just seems strange to me that he would have chosen a place where he hasn't lived for more than 50 years.

[Autumn]

25. He grew up there, he went to school there. That's an issue?

[George II]

27. The first chance he got he moved up to Vermont.

He was still a teenager when he originally left Brooklyn for Chicago.

So.... ....right back atcha.

[Autumn]

34. So what. The first chance I got I moved out of Texas.

I still go back and visit. Damn, if that's a negative he's got this.

[TexasTowelie]

32. Bernie will be in Chicago tomorrow.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128710007

[RazBerryBeret]

33. that's where he was born

he's said that's how he knows what it's like to be poor, living in a small apartment with his family.

[BannonsLiver]

16. +1

[NurseJackie]

3. Any word about his tax returns?

[jcgoldie]

10. He hasn't had time to dig em out

...but they are boring anyway..

[George II]

11. I use turbotax, like Jane does. Last night I "dug" mine out for 15 of the last 19 years...

...it took me about 30 seconds to find out where I stored them on my hard drive. I'd post them here, but they truly are boring!

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. I can think of only one reason not to release them, only one.

Getting us to fight with each other, works every time.

Benefits the other side ONLY. Trying to think of any other person running who causes this to happen.

cant

[George II]

12. "Soon", Jackie, "soon".

I'm wondering if he signed the DNC oath yet. All candidates who want to run under the Democratic banner were to have met with representatives of the DNC this week and sign it.

[Power 2 the People]

6. +1000

[Bluepinky]

14. Yes, I feel the Bern. He'll help to keep progressive issues front and center.

A speaker at the rally said the crowd is very diverse. I don’t expect Bernie to win the nomination, but I’m glad he’s in the race. It’s unhelpful for posters to make snide comments about him.

[NurseJackie]

18. What's REALLY unhelpful is when someone accuses the Democratic party of being "feeble" or "corrupt".

It’s unhelpful for posters to make snide comments about him.

What's REALLY unhelpful is when someone accuses the Democratic party of being "feeble" or "corrupt".

It's also NOT HELPFUL when someone claims that Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt" or that Democratic party is an "absolute failure". Clearly those smears and "snide comments" are untrue.

Can someone explain to me how it's "helpful" for anyone to publicly declare that thee Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent" and that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite". What good purpose does it serve to say things like that?

If voters are being told the lie that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans" then what reason do people have to come out and vote for Democrats?

[lindysalsagal]

23. While I assume you can cite instances of these, I haven't heard them.

I'm not disputing that he may have said these things at one point or another. However, I must say that they haven't reached me.

I do expect Bernie to run as a dem. When the primary happens in my state, if he hasn't joined the party, I won't vote for him. But I like what he says. I certainly hope he keeps talking about these issues.

I would love to see a woman potus, but I will vote for our nominee in the general, and everyone else should, as well.

[George II]

26. You can search google for any of those words or expressions and see when he said them....

They've been posted here in the past with dire results.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

85. It's to be expected, especially given Bernie's popularity with the common folk.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lapucelle]

15. While he's in NY, BS should get advice from Democrat Andrew Cuomo...

There's free tuition at Brooklyn College and a $15/hr minimum wage in Brooklyn thanks to a Democratic governor.

[Autumn]

22. I'm sure Bernie knows that. He attended Brooklyn College. As for the $15/hr minimum wage?

Yeah, he knows that too.

[lapucelle]

39. Of course BS knows that a Democratic governor succeeded where others have failed.

Did BS mention and thank Cuomo at the rally? Is BS going to get advice from the Democratic governor on actually getting the job done?

Maybe BS should have had his first rally in his home state Vermont. His constituents there don't have a $15 minimum wage or tuition free state college and university.

[George II]

29. During one of the debates maybe someone can ask him why he left Brooklyn College.

I was born in Brooklyn (not far from him, and a few years later), I went to and graduated from a private college with free tuition in NYC.

[lapucelle]

41. Has BS ever won an election in Brooklyn? N/T

[George II]

42. Only in Burlington and Vermont state-wide. Never got more than 220,000 votes.

[Eric J in MN]

45. His mother died

...so he wasn't near her by being in Brooklyn, anymore.

The University of Chicago is more prestigious than Brooklyn College.

[R B Garr]

49. LOL, maybe Cuomo can volunteer to help deliver

that in Vermont.

[chillfactor]

28. sorry....

not a Bernie fan so changed channels......watching a movie instead.

[George II]

31. QVC was doing "Lisa Rinna" fashion. My wife and I watched that.

[Uncle Joe]

30. I do believe as I did in 2016 that Bernie would be the strongest candidate against Trump.

This is no slam against the other fine Democratic Candidates, I just believe Bernie is best positioned on multiple levels to win the general election.


Thanks for the thread lindysalsagal.

[pnwmom]

60. He wouldn't have won, unless Russia wanted him to win. Are you saying Russia

wouldn't have interfered if it was Bernie? And what would that say about Bernie?

[Uncle Joe]

61. Seriously, that's what you took from my post!?

[pnwmom]

62. What I took from the post is that you overlooked the fact is that there were factors

out of Hillary's control that would have affected Bernie, too -- and would have prevented him from beating Trump.

1) Millions of Democratic votes were suppressed in 2016 because in 2013, after Obama's 2nd election, the Supreme Court dismantled the 1965 Voting Rights Act.

2) The Russians worked to help Trump win.

[Uncle Joe]

65. I agree with your points just not your conclusion as

"What I took from the post is that you overlooked the fact is that there were factors out of Hillary's control that would have affected Bernie, too -- and would have prevented him from beating Trump."

[pnwmom]

70. Why are you so certain that the person who lost by 4 million votes in the primary

would have defeated Trump? Hillary won 2.9 million more votes than he did -- only 70K less than Obama in 2012.

[Uncle Joe]

71. The majority of the polls had Bernie winning in the G.E. by a greater margin than Hillary for one.

The mood of the nation was for change, which to my way of thinking was best represented on the Dark Side by would be emperor Trump and his most opposite potential opponent for change toward the light, that being Bernie.

[pnwmom]

75. Those polls were during the primary. Russia and Trump hadn't focused their attack ads on Bernie.

They would have if Bernie had been the nominee, and they would have had plenty of ammunition.

[Uncle Joe]

79. I agree but the polls consistently had Bernie winning by a greater margin.

Thus I believe Bernie had a greater margin of error.

[pnwmom]

86. What relevance do polls taken during the primary have to do with the general?

Like I said, during the primaries Bernie had been treated with kid gloves by Trump and Russia. That would have changed during the general because Trump was Russia's choice.

[Uncle Joe]

89. When it happens consistently over an extended period time, there is some strength to that.

As George sad on another post here, it's all hypothetical but it does help reinforce the basis of my opinion, to each their own.

[pnwmom]

90. 0 + 0 + 0 is consistent but it still adds up to 0.

That that is how many Russian attacks Bernie faced in the primaries.

[Uncle Joe]

93. Bernie had his own set of challenges, name recognition among the majority of the American People

Aggressively challenging the major entrenched moneyed interests which hold the vast majority of power and wealth in the United States just to name a couple.

[pnwmom]

96. Very true. Which is why there is no reason to think he would have done better than Hillary.

In addition to his "own set of challenges," he would have also had to deal with voter suppression and Russian meddling -- just like she had to.

[Uncle Joe]

99. It's all hypothetical but I believe there is reason.

All we have is the reality of today and to each of us to follow our own conscious in regards to beating Trump.

Peace to you pnwmom.

[pnwmom]

102. I agree that no matter what we need to all join together to defeat Trump.

[Uncle Joe]

103. ...

[George II]

76. Inasmuch as he wasn't the nominee, those polls were hypothetical.

[Uncle Joe]

80. I agree George.

[itsrobert]

36. Did he explain why he fled Brooklyn in 1968 for Vermont?

Did he change or did Brooklyn change?

[George II]

40. I suspect that Brooklyn changed.

[Autumn]

50. I suspect it had to do with being able to buy 85 acres in Vermont for $2,500.

Sanders, 73, the independent senator turned Democratic presidential candidate, has called Vermont home for almost all of his entire adult life. It started when he was around 13 years old, a fascination with the Green Mountain State born in glossy real estate guides.

"We picked up the brochures," Sanders says. "We read them and we saw farms were for sale."

And then after college, in the mid-1960s, Sanders, his then-wife and his brother pooled some inheritance money and bought a small piece of the dream.

"We had never been to Vermont in our lives; we just drove up," Sanders says. "We bought 85 acres for $2,500. How's that? But it was woodland."

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/20/415747576/leaving-brooklyn-bernie-sanders-found-home-in-vermont

[George II]

57. "Glossy real estate guides" in 1954?

[Autumn]

59. Yeah, my Dad bought land in CO sight unseen. Got us out of Texas.

Yes, there were colored pictures and brochures back then.

[Eric J in MN]

44. Vermont in the 1960s was a gathering place for people on the left to move to. NT

NT

[Autumn]

54. I wonder what 85 acres would have cost in Brooklyn?

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/20/415747576/leaving-brooklyn-bernie-sanders-found-home-in-vermont

"We had never been to Vermont in our lives; we just drove up," Sanders says. "We bought 85 acres for $2,500. How's that? But it was woodland."

The American dream.

[LWolf]

38. So did

Nina Turner and Shaun King. All in all, a great day.

[OilemFirchen]

48. I think he's the annointed one!

How exciting!

[itsrobert]

53. He was blessed by the Pope.

N/T

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. Another amazing speech by Bernie... his campaign rollout is hitting on all cylinders (no surprise!)

I don't see any candidate stopping Bernie, except, possibly, Joe Biden given his VP experience and loyalty to President Obama... no doubt, he would run on the theme of Obama's third term, though, I think Bernie's first term would be better for our country at this point in time.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!