From the looks of all the outlets posting that 2015 snippet of Biden talking about Cheney this week

[ehrnst]

and the sheer number of them being far right wing or "new to Youtube," it appears that perhaps Putin and the GOP are nervous that Biden is in the lead, and this is a coordinated opening volley of viral media attacks on the frontrunner.

A search on YouTube of postings this week reveals some very interesting sources that just happened to "discover" this video:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=biden+cheney&sp=EgIQAQ%253D%253D

DailyWire, FoxNews...

And many people that I know on FB that spread Ukraine Bot smears of Hillary during the GE in 2016 are sharing these posts as well.



But for those interested in avoiding this, there are some tools available to help you from being manipulated by bots:

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/verify/verify-bot-or-not-how-to-check-if-a-twitter-account-is-trying-to-manipulate-you/65-582431225

How to check if you're following or have followed an Internet Research Agency bot account on FB or instagram:

https://www.facebook.com/help/817246628445509

How to spot a Russian Bot on Twitter:

https://www.motherjones.com/media/2018/08/how-to-identify-russian-bots-twitter/

[Cha]

1. Thank You for your

PSA, ehrnst!

[NYMinute]

2. At least one of our candidates loved that clip

Two people posted it here on DU from one of the candidate friendly accounts.

[ucrdem]

4. +1

Look no further. Same MO as in 2016.

[ehrnst]

8. +1000.

Who benefits the most?

[progressoid]

3. This is true, but Joe still needs to stop calling assholes like Cheney and Pence "decent guys"

He's not going to win any votes from their fans, and he'll lose support from some Democrats.

[George II]

5. Like it or not, it's customary for politicians who have served in the same office....

....to be reasonably respectful of them even if they don't innately like them and are critical of them. It's just the way things are done.

Cheney was a VP, Pence is a VP. Biden then went on, after that 14-second snippet, to criticize Cheney.

Other than trump, can you find any instances where an ex-president or ex-vice president has not been respectful while criticizing them?

[progressoid]

11. It "WAS" customary.

Not sure why we are held to this standard when we haven't really seen a whole lot of "reasonable respect" coming from the GOP lately.

Arguably, Trump is just as horrible as Cheney. Would we be so forgiving if Joe (or any Democrat) called Trump a decent guy?

[ehrnst]

13. Reasonable respect... you mean like this?

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

[Autumn]

16. Did Bernie say Trump is a decent man, and he likes him?

[ehrnst]

18. Change the goalposts...

From "Reasonable respect.." to exact words that Biden used.

[Autumn]

20. Sure, just like you used the exact words Bernie used and changed the goalposts...?

Where in your quote of the exact words Bernie used said Trump is a decent man, and he likes him. Save your time. He didn't.

[ehrnst]

23. Coming to the rescue? You should read the posts you're misrepresenting...

look for the words "reasonable respect" and get back to us, Hon.



Those we call friends...

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

40. No one needs to be rescued, least of all Bernie. Commenting on your attempt to use what

Bernie said about how Trump ran his campaign and got elected as being the same as Bernie saying Trump is a decent man and he likes him, as Biden said when he gave his opinion about Cheney, that's quite the stretch.

Bernie on what Trump did to get elected

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

Joe Biden on Dick Cheney.

"I actually like Dick Cheney, for real," Biden said at the time. "I get on with him. I think he's a decent man."

[ehrnst]

47. You're rescuing Progressiod, despite the disingenuousness.

You got called out on it, that's all.

Bernie expressed admiration for some personal characteristics of Trump, not the least of which that he took on Democratic leadership.

If a DUer posted this statement of admiration for Trump on DU, without attributing it to Sanders, they would have been called a RW troll.

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people."

But do go on trashing a Democrat that has a clue about what diplomacy and interpersonal skills are, since that seems be to all the responses available. Progressiod had the good sense to know when that called out.

This surgically edited video dropping all over the place at once is no coincidence, and it's clearly in response to Biden pulling ahead. Status quo, establishment politicing personal smear campaign tactics, issues be damned.

Like when the GOP dropped the "You didn't build that" video of Obama, and the knee-jerk reaction I've seen looks very much like the one Tea Partiers gave then. Even some of the same outlets that dropped that one dropped this one.

Interesting, isn't it? Especially in light Karl Rove pushing for Bernie to be Democratic Nominee.

[Autumn]

50. I think that poster is doing quite well on their own. Did George and Cary come to your rescue

when they responded to me? No, it never crossed my mind, I know how discussion boards work. I've seen it all now.

[ehrnst]

52. And we have the frantic attempt to change the topic.

When you get presented with some very uncomfortable facts...

That statement about admiring Trump would get someone trashed as a right wing troll on DU, and even you have to admit that.



But do go on...

[Autumn]

53. Go with that ehrnst. Not like your responses and the accusation that I'm "rescuing"

someone is NOT a frantic attempt to change the topic. Now I'm done here . This thread is getting so weird and crazy

Star Member ehrnst (19,890 posts)

24. Hello?

Did you decide to let Autumn take over for you?

[ehrnst]

56. You're done here because you ran out of anything to say...

I guess you feel you've done your job backing up Progressoid?

Whataboutism got flipped around on you, so all there is to say is "I'm done here."

See ya.

[NYMinute]

66. What Bernie said is worse

Biden was the VP. It is against the dignity of the office to speak ill of the predecessors. Obama said good things about Bush. Bush said good things about Clinton. Gore said good things about Quayle.

The decorum of the office requires protocol. The only one who has breached it is Trump.

Bernie had no reason to praise Trump - he was under no protocol.

[Autumn]

67. Joe was not under any protocol to say Cheney is a decent man, and he likes him.

He said it because he thinks Cheney is a decent man, and he likes him. I don't recall Obama singing Dick Cheney's praises. I recall Obama being measured in things he said about his predecessors while he was in office. He never claimed Bush was a decent man and he likes him. Michelle gets on well with Bush now that they are no longer if office same as Bill but it's a small club they are in.

Welcome to the team.

[NYMinute]

68. That is what all Presidents and Vice Presidents do

Maintaining the dignity of the office is why so many Democrats like Biden. Everyone knows Cheney is evil and disgusting. A sitting VP saying that doesn't look good, it is not professional and not diplomatic.

A VPOTUS is a VPOTUS for ALL AMERICANS.

[Autumn]

69. He likes VP Pence too. Too bad Pence doesn't see himself as a VPOTUS for ALL AMERICANS.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pence-founds-his-own-vp-club-biden-cheney-n819406

An aide to Pence said the vice president doesn’t seek a signoff from Trump for his outside discussions, but given that the two speak daily, “I’m sure it wouldn’t come as a surprise to the president” that he talks with Biden and Cheney.

The aide said Pence “shares a warm relationship” with Biden, “and they’ve spoken many times, particularly on foreign affairs matters.”

The outreach between Biden and Pence flows both ways.

[NYMinute]

70. So Pence is following the protocol

and not bad-mouthing his predecessor.

If every POTUS and VP followed your wishes, the White House would become a screaming and cursing gallery and America will be a worse laughing stock than under Trump.

[Autumn]

72. VP's former and current can praise and like each other but a sitting US Senater can't point out

how an asshole like Trump can become president of the US? No protocol there heh? I see. Say what you want. It was a hell of a feat knocking out every Republican candidate, winning the electoral vote, a POS has the media in his pocket and his supporters, whom he connects with very well, will support him even when his policies harm them. That is rather extraordinary. Of course, I don't see the words Biden used about Cheney

"I actually like Cheney" ... I get on with him. I think he's a decent man. "

in Bernie's often quoted remark

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

[NYMinute]

73. You just proved my point

without probably realizing it.

[Autumn]

74. Did you have a point? Other that it's fine for "some" of our elected officials to sing the

praises of asshole Republicans and like them but not other elected officials like Bernie Sanders. Especially Bernie Sanders

[ehrnst]

78. "I give Donald Trump his due."

“You think I should say something good about him now?” Sanders asked with a smile.

“That’s not a hard question for me to answer,” he added.

“Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people.”

“So I give Donald Trump his due,” he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/313445-sanders-i-give-donald-trump-his-due

Talk like that would one bashed as a RW troll on DU.

[Cha]

82. This is something more recentlly..

Link to tweet

[ehrnst]

79. You mean the club that "gives Trump his due?"

“You think I should say something good about him now?” Sanders asked with a smile.

“That’s not a hard question for me to answer,” he added.

“Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people.”

“So I give Donald Trump his due,” he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/313445-sanders-i-give-donald-trump-his-due

Welcome to the team...

[George II]

45. That was yesterday. The override vote failed, he's no longer a friend.

[Cary]

36. I wonder how many people you influence with statements like this

I also wonder which way you influence them. It would be an interesting study. I'm sure you don't know any more than I but I will ask you:.do you care?

That is genuine curiosity, not snark. I am not in your head and can only guess. My guess is that you could not care less, and that influencing people to support Sanders is not your goal. Am I right?

[Autumn]

38. I'm not here to influence anybody, everybody here has made up their mind about Sanders.

But when someone uses Bernie's words to make a point, I think it's fine and not a bit off topic to use Biden's words to make a point. YMMV. Do you really think this question, not a statement, is going to influence people? It's not meant to influence anyone.

Autumn (34,292 posts)

16. Did Bernie say Trump is a decent man, and he likes him?

[Cary]

39. I haven't made up my mind

I didn't in 2016 either. You want to know to know the impression you gave me then?

[Autumn]

41. Not really interested in your opinion of my post Cary. I responded to this post

Star Member ehrnst (19,886 posts)

13. Reasonable respect... you mean like this?

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

with this simple sentence.

Star Member Autumn (34,291 posts)

16. Did Bernie say Trump is a decent man, and he likes him?

If you object to my asking that question in response to her post and it gave you a bad impression of me... well can't help that.

[Cary]

43. If I had an objection to your question I would say that I objected,

I asked you if you cared how you come off, and speculated that you didn't care. You told me that I'm correct, you don't care.

You then said that you don't care because everyone has made up their minds. I cannot speak for anyone else, but I have not made up mind. I suspect that I am more typical of Democrats than you are, but that is just a guess. You catch more fish with honey than you do with vinegar.

Just saying.

[Cary]

44. But since you ask, I find your point to be petty

But I don't object. If you wish to be petty then I think you should go for it. And if you don't care how that affects other people then, well, it shows.

Winning elections takes discipline, which is something I don't associate with the radical left.

[Autumn]

48. If you consider my question "Did Bernie say Trump is a decent man, and he likes him?"

to another poster and my statement to you that "I'm not here to influence anybody, everybody here has made up their mind about Sanders." to be petty Cary, if those modest simple words affect you that would be your problem, not mine. Neither sentence is an attack, an insult, nasty or rude. I was very civil and disciplined enough that I ascribed no hostility or pettiness to anyone. Unlike you. Have a nice day.

[Cary]

51. If you don't care how you come off, as you claim...

... then why would you care if I find your engagement to be petty?

And why would you care if I have a problem?

Which is it, Autumn?

[Autumn]

55. I responded to your post to me that I wished to be petty and a member of the radical left

without any insults.

Star Member Cary (10,163 posts)

44. But since you ask, I find your point to be petty

But I don't object. If you wish to be petty then I think you should go for it. And if you don't care how that affects other people then, well, it shows.

Winning elections takes discipline, which is something I don't associate with the radical left.

For reference and clarification the "point" you found to be petty:

Autumn (34,297 posts)

16. Did Bernie say Trump is a decent man, and he likes him?

I think people can have a conversation without insulting each other or resorting to other anti-social behaviors, like accusations, and put-downs. YMMOV. Done here.

[ehrnst]

57. "Done here." again, again and yet again.

I think people can have a conversation without insulting each other or resorting to other anti-social behaviors, like accusations, and put-downs.

This would be a new belief.

[Cary]

61. If she cared.

I think Autumn's admission that she doesn't care explains a lot, as does her subsequent evasion.

[ehrnst]

62. That's the status quo, isn't it. (nt)

[Cary]

65. My current thinking is that radicalism is an end in and of itself

And what is more radical than being obnoxious?

Autumn's admission that she doesn't care supports my theory.

[Mc Mike]

75. I voted he was uncivil to you, but was outvoted, I guess.

You have a great candidate you're backing. I'd be proud to vote for him in the final.

Same goes for Biden, too.

[ehrnst]

58. "have a nice day." Is that like "I'm done here?"

One thing that Bros all over FB don't get is when you say "I'm just going to leave this here" or "I think we're done here" then you keep coming back to swat at every single response, it just loses the intended effect...



But thanks for keeping the thread kicked.

[Cary]

64. I ignore them when they use that ploy

If I feel like continuing the discussion, I do. They have no say in the matter

[progressoid]

17. Analyzing Trump's political win doesn't equal respect for Trump.

Where in that statement did Sanders praise him personally?

[ehrnst]

19. "And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a

a way to connect with people"

Sounds like Politician admiring another politicians' personal characteristics and instincts to me.

[progressoid]

33. Exactly.

admiring another politicians' personal characteristics and instincts doesn't mean he thinks he's a decent guy.

JFK said of Hitler, "He was made of the stuff of legends.” Does that mean JFK was a fan of Adolph?

[ehrnst]

60. Using Godwins law to justify a double standard?

Sanders didn't inadverently use words that Drumf did, he expressed admiration for his willingness to fight the Democratic Party, and his 'way of connecing with people."

If JFK had said that about Hitler, that would be very, very diferent.

If someone posted what Sanders said about Drumpf on DU, and not quoted the source, the poster would be attacked as a RW troll.

[R B Garr]

63. Wow! Not a word about Russian interference or the debilitating

attacks on Hillary. Just pure praise for Trump! I hadn’t seen that quote. That is a disqualifying statement. What a total disconnect and very revealing.

[George II]

21. Two totally different situations. trump, and trump alone broke the custom as far as...

...he's concerned by beating all over Obama after taking office, and Bill Clinton during the campaign.

So, since trump bashed Obama does that mean that Obama should bash either of the bushes or any other ex-presidents? No.

However, when referring to trump all bets are off.

[tonedevil]

32. Dick Cheney...

while in the US Senate chambers told a sitting US Senator to go fuck himself. If that doesn't represent a serious break with custom I guess we just live by different customs.

[ehrnst]

6. Because he's not trashing them personally, and not wagging his finger and yelling

at them constantly he's not a real Democrat?

Personally, I would rather have someone in the oval office with interpersonal skills than without. Being polite and friendly, even to those who have been political foes isn't a 'deal breaker' for POTUS to most people I know.

There are some advantages to that - as Nancy Pelosi's daughter says, she can decapitate an enemy over lunch, smiling the whole time and not getting a speck of blood on her suit.

POTUS requires some emotional intelligence, and an ability to deal pleasantly with other human beings that you are in conflct with, even if there is a small group of voters that finds it suspicious.

[progressoid]

14. I didn't say anything of the sort.

Because he's not trashing them personally, and not wagging his finger and yelling at them constantly he's not a real Democrat?

I didn't say anything of the sort.

[ehrnst]

15. So why wouldn't Democrats vote for him again? (nt)

[progressoid]

25. A lot of Democratic voters are tired of

our side playing by the old rules, while the right runs roughshod over America. They are playing by a different set of rules.

If Joe thinks, Cheney is a decent guy, that's great. Just don't say it outloud. And that goes for the other 20 plus candidates as well.

[ehrnst]

26. Or saying that they admire Trump's perserverance, instincts and 'way of connecting with people?'

You took this thread down that path, so don't complain when that path goes somewhere that you didn't expect.

I know who Biden didn't hire as an chief strategist, however.

Link to tweet

[progressoid]

30. Oh, c'mon. Didn't you know he's not working for Sander's campaign anymore?

I just found out yesterday, but I figured that everyone here already knew that. He seems to be a popular topic here.

By the way, I'm going to see Warren again next week. She's in my top 4 candidates. But if she says anything positive about Bush or Cheney, she's going to drop a few rungs.

[ehrnst]

59. Yes, did you hear why he decided not to stay on for the 2020 campaign?

And Warren expresses admiration for Trump's perserverance, wilingness to fight the "Democratic establshment," and his "way of connecing with people" would that bring her down a few rungs or up?

[ehrnst]

24. Hello?

Did you decide to let Autumn take over for you?

[progressoid]

31. Sorry to disappoint. I have actual work to do now.

[Autumn]

49. Well there is this. Is that what you are doing? All I did was respond to your quote from Bernie.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287104839#post21

[ehrnst]

80. You mean the quote where he "gives Trump his due?"

“You think I should say something good about him now?” Sanders asked with a smile.

“That’s not a hard question for me to answer,” he added.

“Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people.”

“So I give Donald Trump his due,” he added.

Welcome to the team.

[ehrnst]

10. So what about this candidate's statement about Drumpf?

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

[George II]

22. .

[tonedevil]

27. That is equally disqualifying as...

calling Dick Cheney a decent man. It is one thing to try to work in a bipartisan way with Republicans, but admiring the political prowess of donald or praising the decency of Dick Cheney should not be done especially by people trying to be the Democratic nominee.

[sheshe2]

42. O.M.G.

Say it ain't so. He didn't say that did he?

[Cha]

54. JHC! trump is a fucking mobster who Cheated..

and got rigged in with Russian help.

wth kind of "accomplishment" is that?!

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

Hi ehrnst.. is there a link to this? Thank You!

[ehrnst]

77. "I give Donald Trump his due"

https://thehill.com/homenews/313445-sanders-i-give-donald-trump-his-due

[Cha]

81. Thank YOu for BS' I give Psycho his due!

"Trump took on the Republican establishment, he took on the Democratic establishment, took on the media establishment and he ended up winning the election to become president of the United States. And that is an extraordinary accomplishment. And it talks about perseverance, it talks about very strong political instincts, it talks about a way to connect with people,” Sanders said.

https://thehill.com/homenews/313445-sanders-i-give-donald-trump-his-due

[elleng]

7. Thanks (for noticing.)

[sheshe2]

9. Thanks for the research, ehrnst.

Good to know.

[SunSeeker]

12. K & R & Bookmarked

[Mersky]

28. Very helpful post.

Thank you!

k and r

[Hekate]

34. Anyone who is on FB knows one or more people who fell for this shit. Some is subtle...

Not all propaganda comes at you with a big hammer and sickle, does it?

[Hekate]

35. Thanks for the research, ehrnst. DUers should bookmark this post. nt

[George II]

37. Good research, amazing how all the dots connect isn't it? This is exactly why...

...I deleted my Facebook account almost a year ago.

[mcar]

46. Everyone should know this

Thanks.

[Scurrilous]

71. K&R

[Blue Owl]

76. Red Don's Russian goons are on the loose

n/t